Standings at US Thanksgiving, who makes the final cut?

[kranuck]

Of course it's not realistic, but 60 in 48 is much better than the prognosis we had 5-12.

AZ is in 8th now but I think NSH is more likely to be caught based on p% and GD. Though AZ has a pretty scary batch of games coming up. I'm also not sold thay MIN is truly dead. I think it will come down to these 4 teams.



Weird. So advanced stats are only to be used to justify opinions people already have, but your nebulous talk about b2b games is somehow objective and doesnt reinforce whatever opinions you already have. Lmao.

The Oilers are 4-0 on b2b so far this year, and have historically been a better team in the back half of the year. And yes, games are easier if the opponents are worse. Are you telling us that if Vancouver dropped a bunch of games vs CHI/SJS, etc, you wouldn't be upset at points being flushed down the drain?

Kraken have been strong recently too.

They need to win a ton in January if they want to make it into the conversation, but they did just get Burakovsky back and they actually have a competent goalie now.

 

[Senor Catface]

12 point lead in the standings and first in the west while being stingy defensively.

Settle down oilers fan.


No it's reduced to Oilers fans pushing their same ridiculous narratives and ignoring all flaws on their team.

I think the Oilers do make the playoffs. Doesn't mean they are suddenly an elite team. I don't buy any narrative based on expected goals, just a general rule. I think they have defensive structure problems, personnel problems, and their goalies are not that good (but better if they aren't getting hung out to dry). They are likely a wildcard team.

Oilers fans just rush in acting like their team is somehow amazing and flawless because they are almost back to a wildcard spot. They get upset over something as innocuous as pointing out how hard it is to make up points. Making up 1-2 every 10 games would easily get them in to the playoffs so I'm not sure why it even upsets them.

Hey, I didn't mention any names..

 

[JRichard]

Of course it's not realistic, but 60 in 48 is much better than the prognosis we had 5-12.

AZ is in 8th now but I think NSH is more likely to be caught based on p% and GD. Though AZ has a pretty scary batch of games coming up. I'm also not sold thay MIN is truly dead. I think it will come down to these 4 teams.



Weird. So advanced stats are only to be used to justify opinions people already have, but your nebulous talk about b2b games is somehow objective and doesnt reinforce whatever opinions you already have. Lmao.

The Oilers are 4-0 on b2b so far this year, and have historically been a better team in the back half of the year. And yes, games are easier if the opponents are worse. Are you telling us that if Vancouver dropped a bunch of games vs CHI/SJS, etc, you wouldn't be upset at points being flushed down the drain?

B2b stats are flawed because of many factors like travel, but b2b sure gives you a better shot at getting the backup goalies.

Mtl last week got Raanta, Stolarz and Johansson. 3 teams were on b2b.
Thats a big plus.
Still managed to lose all 3.

Not getting the logic behind choice of goalies in a b2b. You play your starter vs the tougher opponent? Other way around? Starter on 1st night, at home?

 

[McFlyingV]

Of course it's not realistic, but 60 in 48 is much better than the prognosis we had 5-12.

AZ is in 8th now but I think NSH is more likely to be caught based on p% and GD. Though AZ has a pretty scary batch of games coming up. I'm also not sold thay MIN is truly dead. I think it will come down to these 4 teams.



Weird. So advanced stats are only to be used to justify opinions people already have, but your nebulous talk about b2b games is somehow objective and doesnt reinforce whatever opinions you already have. Lmao.

The Oilers are 4-0 on b2b so far this year, and have historically been a better team in the back half of the year. And yes, games are easier if the opponents are worse. Are you telling us that if Vancouver dropped a bunch of games vs CHI/SJS, etc, you wouldn't be upset at points being flushed down the drain?

The kind of poster who will make absolute statements, say they're backed by stats without providing much for actual stats, and then claim stats provided aren't real stats. HF mainboards baby.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

12 point lead in the standings and first in the west while being stingy defensively.

Settle down oilers fan.


No it's reduced to Oilers fans pushing their same ridiculous narratives and ignoring all flaws on their team.

I think the Oilers do make the playoffs. Doesn't mean they are suddenly an elite team. I don't buy any narrative based on expected goals, just a general rule. I think they have defensive structure problems, personnel problems, and their goalies are not that good (but better if they aren't getting hung out to dry). They are likely a wildcard team.

Oilers fans just rush in acting like their team is somehow amazing and flawless because they are almost back to a wildcard spot. They get upset over something as innocuous as pointing out how hard it is to make up points. Making up 1-2 every 10 games would easily get them in to the playoffs so I'm not sure why it even upsets them.

Lo you're literally the kraken of this year where unsustainable shooting and goaltending got you there congrats you'll be an after thought in the playoffs. It's almost like a healthy Oilers club is better than an unhealthy one.

 

[McFlyingV]

because you only have bullshit "expected" stats. They aren't "real", they are a mediocre stat that's only peddled by people who have nothing better to back up their arguments. If they don't match your argument they are never ever mentioned.

I also did provide links to what I claimed, mostly.

Just because Oilers fans like to come around the main boards acting like arrogant delusional homers who deny their team has any flaws at all and insist that they are actually the most elite team ever doesn't make it true. What have I said that's wrong? Their schedule is going to be much tougher because of travel. They were having problems with rush chances.

Bottom line is it's january and your team still isn't in a playoff spot. Maybe chill with the rampant homerism and celebrating like they are up by 4 in the cup clinching game.

You provided one link to a breakdown of rush chances/shots/etc. Expected stats aren't bullshit you just don't understand them. They provide some context on where chances are coming from, but they miss other elements of the game. Of course they're not perfect because every shot/chance is not created equal. Similarly counting stats also miss context. You claimed the Oilers schedule has been butter soft and was about to get harder, but that's factually false given quality of opposition, and in fact is completely opposite.

As for your last 2 paragraphs ranting about something I don't give the slightest shit about. It's full of random straw mans that don't have any relevance to my posts. Tell it to someone it applies to.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

wow, so the only thing about schedule that matters in any way is strength of opponents?

A back to back with travel or 3 games in 4 nights on the road is actually super easy if the teams are mediocre?

That's amazing data I didn't know before. THank you so much.

Expected goals are a stat with only one use, justifying opinions you already have. I give you reasons why were doing so bad defensively and you respond with "but they get better shots".

So what you're saying is your advanced stats showing rush attempts and stuff matter since they support your opinion?

But when advanced stats go against it, they dont matter?

 

[McFlyingV]

So what you're saying is your advanced stats showing rush attempts and stuff matter since they support your opinion?

But when advanced stats go against it, they dont matter?

Of course he's going to downplay advanced stats that suggest the Canucks might be over performing and might not actually be as good as their record indicates. He's guilty of living in la-la land while accusing Oilers fans of doing the same. I get it as an Oilers fan, after 10 years of being terrible it's easy to get overly defensive at any suggestion that the team turning it around and becoming good again might not be sustainable.