Stamkos is cooked

[Another Empty Netter]

You don't care about how transactions happen, I do. Cool. When we start watching robots I will probably change my opinion. For me, thinking of the players on the ice as real people with real emotions draws me to watch more than the box score.

The days when players would spend a long time on one team are looong gone

 

[ryan callahan]

Being a neutral player at 5v5 despite getting extremely favorable usage and zone starts while being terrible on the powerplay doesn't scream quality NHL player. Maybe I exaggerated. Right now he could be a decent 3rd liner against lower comp.

 

[DarrylshutzSydor]

Turns out Brisebois offer was fair.

 

[JPT]

7 points in last 7 games for Stamkos. Seems he and the team are doing better as of late.

Trotz and Co are so bad they can't even tank right

At Stamkos' current level of play he should be thankful he is in the NHL because if his name was John Doe and he had no credentials he'd be grinding away for the Admirals right now.

Now I'm just picturing anonymous, presumably witness protection Stamkos (probably wearing an eye patch and fake nose) skating around as John Doe.

 

[tabness]

feeling an Ovechkin like resurgence for Stamkos in the second half

 

[Matty Sundin]

He’s going in the wrong side of 30, won his cups which was recently, is a future hall of famer, has his one last pay cheque, body has been destroyed the last decade, and probably has nothing play for anymore to get motivated easily. Of course he’s gonna decline and not give anything extra consistently if he could or wanted to. Saying he’s cooked would mean he’s incompetent though. I wouldn’t say he’s at that stage yet, he’s still an NHL player. He’s just in the twilight of his career now which happens to every player.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

7 points in last 7 games for Stamkos. Seems he and the team are doing better as of late.

Title should be changed to 'Stamkos is cooking'

 

[CupsOverCash]

Turns out Brisebois offer was fair.

My thoughts. He's done a great job as a gm. He made the right move by not extending stamkos but at the same time i think he could have done a better job handling the situation. As you can see lot of fans are rightfully upset by how he treated stamkos who has been a class act as far as a franchise player goes. Maybe you don't want to do that next time. However he made the right moves on this as far as I'm concerned. I'm curious if he'd put a small offer out there stamkos would take that over the deal he got in nashville. I don't think stamkos is getting that deal anywhere else.

 

[DarrylshutzSydor]

My thoughts. He's done a great job as a gm. He made the right move by not extending stamkos but at the same time i think he could have done a better job handling the situation. As you can see lot of fans are rightfully upset by how he treated stamkos who has been a class act as far as a franchise player goes. Maybe you don't want to do that next time. However he made the right moves on this as far as I'm concerned. I'm curious if he'd put a small offer out there stamkos would take that over the deal he got in nashville. I don't think stamkos is getting that deal anywhere else.

They offered him a $24mil deal. Looks like it was probably more than fair.

 

[CupsOverCash]

They offered him a $24mil deal. Looks like it was probably more than fair.

For sure but that's not the point. Before they didn't offer anything it sounds like. That can rub a player like him and others like him on that level, the wrong way and how that looked back then can stay in their minds more than what actually unfolded. You see what I'm saying? There's a right way to handle things and I think bolts fans can probably come across as complaining about this maybe too much with the teams we've been able to ice over last decade or so. I think it's just asking for more professional way of going about it. I don't think that's too much to ask and it does make your organization look better. They've been fine tho. They know what they're doing.

 

[nabby12]

Another two points (1+1) for Stamkos tonight to make it 9 points in last 8 games.

These jynx threads are undefeated.

 

[Soundgarden]

Take out the first 8 games and he'd have 21 points in 28 games, not horrible.

 

[FreeToShareWithMeOk]

They offered him a $24mil deal. Looks like it was probably more than fair.

Lol no, Stamkos is not a 3 mil per year player anywhere let alone in Tampa. If they gave him 4.5-5 per they'd likely have been better off with him than JG at 9 per as they'd have 4 mil to spend elsewhere and Stamkos was dialed into their system and their locker room.

 

[creg]

Lol no, Stamkos is not a 3 mil per year player anywhere let alone in Tampa. If they gave him 4.5-5 per they'd likely have been better off with him than JG at 9 per as they'd have 4 mil to spend elsewhere and Stamkos was dialed into their system and their locker room.

I don't think you'll find many dialed in Tampa fans who would prefer Stamkos + a 4.5 mil player over Guentzel at this point. Stamkos' "issue" was never that he couldn't score, it was that he gets completely caved in whenever he's on the ice (which seems to be true of this season as well).

Our biggest weakness last season was our 5v5 play, allocating a big portion of our cap to a player whose primary use is to score on the powerplay would not be logical (and this is assuming that his salary request of 4.5 is even accurate). If we had a deep enough forward core that we could shelter him that would be one thing, but Guentzel makes far more sense for this roster and the results speak for themselves.

 

[Tkachuk4MVP]

When did Forsberg turn into Adam Oates? All he’s been doing lately is feeding Stamkos and Marchessault.

 

[Soundgarden]

When did Forsberg turn into Adam Oates? All he’s been doing lately is feeding Stamkos and Marchessault.

He does have a couple 40+ assist seasons under his belt. Of course they probably should have been on a line this whole time, but Brunette sucks.

 

[Reality Czech]

At Stamkos' current level of play he should be thankful he is in the NHL because if his name was John Doe and he had no credentials he'd be grinding away for the Admirals right now.

Posts like this remind me we need an eye roll emoji on this site.

 

[Rschmitz]

I don't think you'll find many dialed in Tampa fans who would prefer Stamkos + a 4.5 mil player over Guentzel at this point. Stamkos' "issue" was never that he couldn't score, it was that he gets completely caved in whenever he's on the ice (which seems to be true of this season as well).

Our biggest weakness last season was our 5v5 play, allocating a big portion of our cap to a player whose primary use is to score on the powerplay would not be logical (and this is assuming that his salary request of 4.5 is even accurate). If we had a deep enough forward core that we could shelter him that would be one thing, but Guentzel makes far more sense for this roster and the results speak for themselves.

Guentzel has been awesome, certainly an upgrade, but 5-6m(the rumored asking price) better is debatable.

The production/cap isn’t being second guessed though from what I can tell.

 

[Armourboy]

Guentzel has been awesome, certainly an upgrade, but 5-6m(the rumored asking price) better is debatable.

The production/cap isn’t being second guessed though from what I can tell.

Honestly Stamkos vs Guentzel shouldn't even really be an argument. If he was asking for 4 and they were offering 3 you can't tell me a GM can't get creative and find that extra million over the course of a season.

The 3 million a season was simply offered as a way for Tampa to say " we tried" even though everyone else in the hockey world knows they didn't. It was offered simply to create a narrative that could be used but has little to no truth in it.

One vs the other was never a thing, they could have likely had both but the GM didn't want Stamkos so he just made him an offer he knew he wouldn't take. Whether its hockey or any other form of business these BS " offers " are done for the same reason.

Now as far as Nashville goes, had he been making 4-5 rather than 8, most of us would be pretty happy atm. He's been worth the 4-5 this season, so anyone saying he isn't still an NHL caliber player is just trolling at this point. A top player in the league he isn't, AHL fodder he isn't either.

 

[Rschmitz]

Honestly Stamkos vs Guentzel shouldn't even really be an argument. If he was asking for 4 and they were offering 3 you can't tell me a GM can't get creative and find that extra million over the course of a season.

The 3 million a season was simply offered as a way for Tampa to say " we tried" even though everyone else in the hockey world knows they didn't. It was offered simply to create a narrative that could be used but has little to no truth in it.

One vs the other was never a thing, they could have likely had both but the GM didn't want Stamkos so he just made him an offer he knew he wouldn't take. Whether its hockey or any other form of business these BS " offers " are done for the same reason.

Now as far as Nashville goes, had he been making 4-5 rather than 8, most of us would be pretty happy atm. He's been worth the 4-5 this season, so anyone saying he isn't still an NHL caliber player is just trolling at this point. A top player in the league he isn't, AHL fodder he isn't either.

Nicely summed up

 

[Gillings]

Tough to see an all-time great goal scorer age and fall of the map like this, but it never ceases to amaze me that teams pay their management millions to make easy-to-predict mistakes like Nashville did. A fan can do a better job for free.

Sometimes you need to take the risk. A player like stamkos is a potentially MONEY maker for your team. If he fell off a cliff well, I’m sure the ticket and jersey sales helped to recover the cost.

It’s his first year in Nashville.

 

[DitchMarner]

Don't watch/follow NSH at all. He seems to be much more productive lately. But it'll probably be moot for the team. I don't see NSH making the playoffs this year.

 

[WTFMAN99]

22 pts in 36GP isn't bad production, it's about a 50 point pace.

It's bad production relative to the contract though, I think if Stamkos was pulling around $5M per, there is less flack coming his way.

 

[bov]

I have been watching people say Stamkos is done at various points for the last 5+ years, there comes a time every season where this same conversation takes place. I know the numbers are down but that was to be expected with such a drastic change. Unsurprisingly, he is starting to put up more points as the games go on.

Maybe he is what he is, but it's not like there was some sudden dropoff in ability. This conversation is nothing new with Stamkos and it's only magnified because of the contract drama and change of scenery. Say what you want about the player but he is as resilient as it gets, consummate pro, and has pretty much always found a way to bounce back and produce while being a great leader. Give him some time.

 

[MS]

I have been watching people say Stamkos is done at various points for the last 5+ years, there comes a time every season where this same conversation takes place. I know the numbers are down but that was to be expected with such a drastic change. Unsurprisingly, he is starting to put up more points as the games go on.

Maybe he is what he is, but it's not like there was some sudden dropoff in ability. This conversation is nothing new with Stamkos and it's only magnified because of the contract drama and change of scenery. Say what you want about the player but he is as resilient as it gets, consummate pro, and has pretty much always found a way to bounce back and produce while being a great leader. Give him some time.

In 21-22 - which is basically 2.5 years ago - he scored 106 points including 70 ES points.

In 24-25 he's on pace for 45 points and 25 ESP.

There has been a *massive* dropoff in ability. His skating and motor are completely broken and he just can't get to the places he needs to to score at ES anymore, and is a liability tracking the play back defensively.