Post-Game Talk: St. Louis 4 - WPG 1

[Jets 31]

Ahhh this is a easier explanation......

 

[roccerfeller]

I missed the game - how did Lambert look?

 

[Cnile]

Umm this was a home game and expected this squad for years has used the first game back after a road trip to mail it in .

The commute from Bridgewater was too much
The tired excuses are over the top , we aren’t playing well period.
Now we see if Arniel can coach them out of this slump.
Yes travel is hard ,but these are young world class athletes mostly.

 

[AnonoJet]

Here we go again. Some adversity arrives. Jet’s fold.

 

[ps241]

I missed the game - how did Lambert look?

Not bad but not good either. First game up this season on a night when the team was flat so I will wait to see how he does next game.

 

[Buffdog]

Some posters need to stop being Jets fans and go cheer for a team that doesn't go through a slump every year

Good luck finding one

 

[AnonoJet]

Some posters need to stop being Jets fans and go cheer for a team that doesn't go through a slump every year

Good luck finding one

That is hardly the point. Of course everyone has slumps. We have two recent years of experience on how this team folds when adversity strikes or their opponents up their game later in the season, and during the playoffs. The team mentally folds and sink to the challenge. This looks the same.

 

[Jet]

I got really pissed off after the second and decided to play video games instead.

I was right on the 'team is really worn out due to the schedule/ travel situation' train, but playing like that at home is beyond pathetic. This team is great when it's rolling but when things get hard they just lie down. It's been said by a couple coaches here already but where is the f***ing push back?

After the Stars game I felt like they might be pulling themselves out of it but that turd they laid last night reminded me so much of the playoff Jets of the past 2 years. No pushback, no intensity, no answers.

Lowry did all he could to get the team into it but too many f***ing passengers.

There are certain players who have just been shit for too long now, and our elite players are not dictating play at all.

Barron needs to have a f***ing seat. Appleton has just dissappeared. Schiefele needs to be forced to rest until he can actually contribute. Vilardi has sick hands but he really is a non factor in a lot of games. A guy with his size and skill should be getting chances every game but he doesn't drive anything.

Demelo has been pretty awful this year and Morrissey has been ho hum most of the year.

I've given Logan Stanley the biggest rope of anyone but for God's sake it's not happening and I don't know what the team sees in him to think a 7 year pro is going to blossom into anything more than a 7th defenseman is baffling. How do you put a guy with 40 games of NHL experience in 4 years, and 2 games in nearly 2 on his off side with a turd like him? That's not setting Heinola up for success.

If we could ever get some time to rest, practice and reset I'd be making some fundamental changes to the lines, and getting some fresh bodies in.

The part of this that annoys me the most is good teams do not lose 4 games in a row, especially with that effort at home against a mid team like the Blues.

These guys are frauds.

If there is a glimmer of positivity, it was that I really liked Lambert out there. He's not quite ready to be an everyday offensive contributor in the NHL but it looks like hes catching up to the pro game.

 

[Jet]

Some posters need to stop being Jets fans and go cheer for a team that doesn't go through a slump every year

Good luck finding one

I'm usually right there with you fighting the good fight but that game last night just triggered me. Are we going to go through another season just to see this team fold like a cheap tent when the games matter the most?

You can work on coaching and playing the right way, but if you have a group of guys who don't have the mental fortitude to elevate when it matters then you have a big problem.

 

[Jet]

13,100 showed up tonight, to bad the Jets didn't give then anything to make noise about, kinda dead except for the boo's in the 3rd.

Yeah I do think that part of the attendance problem is that fans just don't really believe in this team, and with the cost of going to a game are you going to pay good money to watch whatever that was last night?

 

[Buffdog]

I'm usually right there with you fighting the good fight but that game last night just triggered me. Are we going to go through another season just to see this team fold like a cheap tent when the games matter the most?

You can work on coaching and playing the right way, but if you have a group of guys who don't have the mental fortitude to elevate when it matters then you have a big problem.

So, if they turn it around when they get a bit of rest/recovery, would it change your perspective?

You can't make it to the level they started at by being weak mentally. They battled back in a bunch of those games and won gritty. Why (in your opinion) would that mental toughness evaporate all of a sudden?

We overachieved for a bit. Now we're maybe underachieving. Maybe the problem is that people thought that the start of the season is normal and should continue?

We're sitting third in the league with the 2nd best goal differential. If I wpuld have asked the forum in sept if they'd be happy with that at the start of December, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have been unanimous

But some people aren't happy unless they aren't happy

Some people are acting more unhinged on here than posters on legit bottom dwellers forums FFS

 

[Jets 31]

I got really pissed off after the second and decided to play video games instead.

I was right on the 'team is really worn out due to the schedule/ travel situation' train, but playing like that at home is beyond pathetic. This team is great when it's rolling but when things get hard they just lie down. It's been said by a couple coaches here already but where is the f***ing push back?

After the Stars game I felt like they might be pulling themselves out of it but that turd they laid last night reminded me so much of the playoff Jets of the past 2 years. No pushback, no intensity, no answers.

Lowry did all he could to get the team into it but too many f***ing passengers.

There are certain players who have just been shit for too long now, and our elite players are not dictating play at all.

Barron needs to have a f***ing seat. Appleton has just dissappeared. Schiefele needs to be forced to rest until he can actually contribute. Vilardi has sick hands but he really is a non factor in a lot of games. A guy with his size and skill should be getting chances every game but he doesn't drive anything.

Demelo has been pretty awful this year and Morrissey has been ho hum most of the year.

I've given Logan Stanley the biggest rope of anyone but for God's sake it's not happening and I don't know what the team sees in him to think a 7 year pro is going to blossom into anything more than a 7th defenseman is baffling. How do you put a guy with 40 games of NHL experience in 4 years, and 2 games in nearly 2 on his off side with a turd like him? That's not setting Heinola up for success.

If we could ever get some time to rest, practice and reset I'd be making some fundamental changes to the lines, and getting some fresh bodies in.

The part of this that annoys me the most is good teams do not lose 4 games in a row, especially with that effort at home against a mid team like the Blues.

These guys are frauds.

If there is a glimmer of positivity, it was that I really liked Lambert out there. He's not quite ready to be an everyday offensive contributor in the NHL but it looks like hes catching up to the pro game.

Damn if @Jet is this unhappy Jets you better get your shit together fast.

 

[Jet]

So, if they turn it around when they get a bit of rest/recovery, would it change your perspective?

You can't make it to the level they started at by being weak mentally. They battled back in a bunch of those games and won gritty. Why (in your opinion) would that mental toughness evaporate all of a sudden?

We overachieved for a bit. Now we're maybe underachieving. Maybe the problem is that people thought that the start of the season is normal and should continue?

We're sitting third in the league with the 2nd best goal differential. If I wpuld have asked the forum in sept if they'd be happy with that at the start of December, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have been unanimous

But some people aren't happy unless they aren't happy

Some people are acting more unhinged on here than posters on legit bottom dwellers forums FFS

Well, would you put me in that category? I'm one of the most positive posters on this board.

My issue is this team does not deal well with adversity. If the goal is to challenge for a championship, they are going to have to figure that out.

I can deal with losing because they gave it their all and just lost because of luck or being fatigued. I think that's what happened in Dallas. I also think if Helle was in net against Vegas they probably would have won that one.

But, when you come home after a 3 game losing streak and put that performance together on home ice, that really bugs me.

To answer your question, I will always be a Jets fan, and no other team. If they turn it around and start winning again I will still be in the 'show me' phase with this group. I still want to see them fight through adversity and win or lose put the best effort and battle forward. I will enter the playoffs this year hopeful but not expecting much until they can prove me wrong. I hope they do.

 

[Bladerunner62]

I was watching Nick Susuki play tonight. He would look great on our 2nd line. That was our 1st round pick, but we traded it so we could keep Marko Dano.
But we have that going for us......which is nice.

yes Susuki would look nice. But we flipped picks with Vegas so they would take Thorburn and lean Enstrom.

 

[bustamente]

We got Buffalo, Chicago and Columbus coming up, lose all three and we have serious problems and that heater of a start will be long forgotten.

 

[Crocket]

To be fair. We are tired and 55 is playing 50%, we're missing Ehlers, Samberg is a hole but not irreplaceable.

I think we have the same team as last year minus Dillon and Monahan. And the weakness we've always had is 2c, and top Right D. DeMelo is a bottom pair guy. He's too slow now and has trouble moving the puck. JoMo makes him look decent by the numbers but he isn't.

We need to try a different look with JoMo. Lambert might work as 2C, he's way faster than names.

The Stanley experiment is over. But our trouble is not the bottom lines, it's up top.

 

[Jets 31]

So, if they turn it around when they get a bit of rest/recovery, would it change your perspective?

You can't make it to the level they started at by being weak mentally. They battled back in a bunch of those games and won gritty. Why (in your opinion) would that mental toughness evaporate all of a sudden?

We overachieved for a bit. Now we're maybe underachieving. Maybe the problem is that people thought that the start of the season is normal and should continue?

We're sitting third in the league with the 2nd best goal differential. If I wpuld have asked the forum in sept if they'd be happy with that at the start of December, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have been unanimous

But some people aren't happy unless they aren't happy

Some people are acting more unhinged on here than posters on legit bottom dwellers forums FFS

I'm going to give it a try, if the Jets were playing like this on a 9 game homestand i would be really pissed but that was a road trip from hell and now it continues for 2 more bloody games. I like Namestnikov but he shouldn't be on the 1st line and losing Ehlers and Samberg has hurt big time. The Jets played too damn good for the first 20 games for it to be a fluke . Let's see how they play when we get back home for that 4 game homestand, Samberg thinks we will get back to scoring and playing like we were......

 

[Section 325]

I got really pissed off after the second and decided to play video games instead.

I was right on the 'team is really worn out due to the schedule/ travel situation' train, but playing like that at home is beyond pathetic. This team is great when it's rolling but when things get hard they just lie down. It's been said by a couple coaches here already but where is the f***ing push back?

After the Stars game I felt like they might be pulling themselves out of it but that turd they laid last night reminded me so much of the playoff Jets of the past 2 years. No pushback, no intensity, no answers.

Lowry did all he could to get the team into it but too many f***ing passengers.

There are certain players who have just been shit for too long now, and our elite players are not dictating play at all.

Barron needs to have a f***ing seat. Appleton has just dissappeared. Schiefele needs to be forced to rest until he can actually contribute. Vilardi has sick hands but he really is a non factor in a lot of games. A guy with his size and skill should be getting chances every game but he doesn't drive anything.

Demelo has been pretty awful this year and Morrissey has been ho hum most of the year.

I've given Logan Stanley the biggest rope of anyone but for God's sake it's not happening and I don't know what the team sees in him to think a 7 year pro is going to blossom into anything more than a 7th defenseman is baffling. How do you put a guy with 40 games of NHL experience in 4 years, and 2 games in nearly 2 on his off side with a turd like him? That's not setting Heinola up for success.

If we could ever get some time to rest, practice and reset I'd be making some fundamental changes to the lines, and getting some fresh bodies in.

The part of this that annoys me the most is good teams do not lose 4 games in a row, especially with that effort at home against a mid team like the Blues.

These guys are frauds.

If there is a glimmer of positivity, it was that I really liked Lambert out there. He's not quite ready to be an everyday offensive contributor in the NHL but it looks like hes catching up to the pro game.

It isn't a criticism of you or your post, but I found Connor's absence from your post interesting because I barely noticed him at all yesterday. He seems to be able to sidestep a lot of criticism that other players seem to get in waves here. I guess because he's streaky?

The team really needs him to be able to stand out again though.

I've been a Stanley pacifist (at best) but I could feel the frustration in your post radiating through the screen. Admittedly, I have to agree with you. There just has to be a better option already because few players get this much rope to show such minimal improvement.

Trade him to a team with a gullible GM and move on.

 

[Buffdog]

Well, would you put me in that category? I'm one of the most positive posters on this board.

My issue is this team does not deal well with adversity. If the goal is to challenge for a championship, they are going to have to figure that out.

I can deal with losing because they gave it their all and just lost because of luck or being fatigued. I think that's what happened in Dallas. I also think if Helle was in net against Vegas they probably would have won that one.

But, when you come home after a 3 game losing streak and put that performance together on home ice, that really bugs me.

To answer your question, I will always be a Jets fan, and no other team. If they turn it around and start winning again I will still be in the 'show me' phase with this group. I still want to see them fight through adversity and win or lose put the best effort and battle forward. I will enter the playoffs this year hopeful but not expecting much until they can prove me wrong. I hope they do.

I absolutely don't put you in that catagory

But again, what do you think the reason is for their poor play (and nobody is disputing that they aren't playing well)?

I mean, you play hockey... I'm sure you have bad games. But do you ever go out and say (even in beer league) "I'm just not gonna try very hard today"? I doubt it... and neither do NHLers, especially guys towards the bottom of rhe roster who could lose their spot

 

[Section 325]

Trade him to a team with a gullible GM and move on.

And by the way, we ARE playing Buffalo next

 

[bustamente]

Once Samberg got hurt the carousel of D men started and they are still trying to figure out who should play and with whom. Doesn't help that our top pair has played anything but.

 

[Jets 31]

It isn't a criticism of you or your post, but I found Connor's absence from your post interesting because I barely noticed him at all yesterday. He seems to be able to sidestep a lot of criticism that other players seem to get in waves here. I guess because he's streaky?

The team really needs him to be able to stand out again though.

I've been a Stanley pacifist (at best) but I could feel the frustration in your post radiating through the screen. Admittedly, I have to agree with you. There just has to be a better option already because few players get this much rope to show such minimal improvement.

Trade him to a team with a gullible GM and move on.

Connor had been playing very well but his game dropped off right around when Scheifele injured what ever the hell he injured. Honestly once Scheifele got hurt that's when we started playing a little worse. Scheifele gets alot of criticism but if he's injured or not playing it really affects this team partly because we need a 2nd center. Time to give Perfetti another shot as the 2nd line center.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

The commute from Bridgewater was too much
The tired excuses are over the top , we aren’t playing well period.
Now we see if Arniel can coach them out of this slump.
Yes travel is hard ,but these are young world class athletes mostly.

Amen brother. Well said. I would say with the snow the Bridgewater drive must have been stressful for them haha
I would say they were trying to do too much but they did nothing yesterday until garbage time !
Arniel is going to need to earn his cheque now..

Yes BUT a team that was rocking a 14 - 1 record in the first 15 games have fallen off a cliff and lost 7 of the last 10 games.

Truly great teams dont fail that hard because a difficult travel schedule. They find a way to win a couple of those games.

I think you hit the nail on the head. They are not a great team, they are a bubble playoff team that really made no significant changes in the offseason other than keeping Miller, losing Dillon. Schmidt and the rentals , signing Coughlan and Flurry.

 

[Buffdog]

I've asked multiple posters for their opinions as to why the team isnt playing well if it isn't fatigue, and still crickets (even though one of them managed to call me a er lol)

I guess bitching and complaining is more productive to some people than actually trying to offer answers

 

[DRW204]

To many passengers last night. Lambert wasn't much offensively, granted tough spot as a 2C. But the rest of the top-9 offensive crew: Connor, Perfetti, Vilardi, and the third line on offense, need the missing signs on milk cartons.

seeing a bit of parallels to the 18-19 season... hot start, fueled by the PP. PP starting to fade & trouble cushioning against the injuries.