SSM Greyhounds 2024 - 25 Season Thread, Part I

[Houndzfan20]

Hell just go for it now! The GM is already a marked man, you think he is going to sell off and lose his job in the offseason ? Team is 1 veteran defenseman away from competing for the division with all these pieces coming back.

I think if they go 50/50 down the stretch with Charlie and Miller then that keeps everyone happy including Detroit for development.

Not saying I agree with this but that's how I see this front office proceeding, I do not see a sell-off happening.

2 or 3 rounds of playoffs will do wonders for Martin, Hayes and Miller again.

Carlisle needs to stay out of the box, he takes a lot of penalties. I assume he is not getting a suspension on his hit in the 2nd period on Sunday?

The team is shaping up to be pretty decent. Carson Andrew's skating has improved a lot in the last month.

Don't forget Brodie McConnell-Barker should be coming back soon, who will he replace? Gillen ?

2 or 3 rounds for Martin and Hayes as 17 year olds?

Nah, I'd rather 4 rounds as 18 or 19 year olds. Cause there's no way we have anything if we go for it this year.

 

[ohloutsider]

No. That's delusional and reckless!

Ya I don't see the Soo as an all in team this year, hell Windsor is in first place in the league and I see them as a year away. But everyone views their team different I guess.

 

[Leviathan899]

They will sell off pieces and remain competitive without the pieces. Whatever we move out, there will be players returned. We do not have the assets to add anything, it’ll be another pretender year. We have a chance to build the next couple years like Saginaw did, and we must learn from mistakes. This isn’t a championship team now but the pieces are there to be extremely dominate the next 2 seasons. We have a legitimate chance to build and toss our names into the Memorial Cup host hat again here. I see the much larger picture.

Best to assume Nordh and Allard have only two months left, in Nordhs case even less.

Also @DWI Dale it’s unofficial

Allard, Mignosa and Gibson would be three guys I’d move at the deadline and you’ll get some nice future assets back for that. Oshawa would be a good fit for Mignosa.

 

[Rivrfront]

OHL CHAMPION WILL BE ONE OF 4 TEAMS. ( Opinion ) when all is sorted out
after the trade deadline. EITHER
LONDON, BRAMPTON, OSHAWA, OR BARRIE.

 

[OHLfan200]

Hell just go for it now! The GM is already a marked man, you think he is going to sell off and lose his job in the offseason ? Team is 1 veteran defenseman away from competing for the division with all these pieces coming back.

I think if they go 50/50 down the stretch with Charlie and Miller then that keeps everyone happy including Detroit for development.

Not saying I agree with this but that's how I see this front office proceeding, I do not see a sell-off happening.

2 or 3 rounds of playoffs will do wonders for Martin, Hayes and Miller again.

Carlisle needs to stay out of the box, he takes a lot of penalties. I assume he is not getting a suspension on his hit in the 2nd period on Sunday?

The team is shaping up to be pretty decent. Carson Andrew's skating has improved a lot in the last month.

Don't forget Brodie McConnell-Barker should be coming back soon, who will he replace? Gillen ?

He would be fired for not building around Martin and Hayes. I can see how you would get excited about the new additions, but this is not optimal. It’s another 2nd round exit waiting to happen. We need to focus more on the future and building around our 07’s.

 

[Fischhaber]

IMO,
Carlisle is more important to us holding down the fort for a young defence corps when Gibby is gone than what we will get for him. Especially as an OA, he'd have to be head and shoulders above what other teams already have. Allard may be in that boat, but not sure Carlisle is.

I'm not sure Gibby is on Donovan's level. Donovan was head and shoulders the best all around defenceman in the league last year and IMO the reason Saginaw won. Gibby is really good but to say he's better than Donovan is a pretty big stretch.

I think we need shenkel here unless an opposing GM blows Raftis out of the water with a proposal. we need him to keep us in games and so the young team doesn't get frustrated. I know you're still on the miller boat, but that ship has sailed for me. i'm not confident he will have any better numbers when we start playing the big dogs. Only way i trade shenkle is if we can get the Import tender over after the deadline.

not sure anyone will take brown and his gold package at this point. may be here until he either ages out or gets cut. at this point i'd have him centering the 4th line....seems a waste to have Smith there now.

That's quite a statement, given that he wasn't really a standout defender. Good, but he wasn't close to the level of a guy like Buchinger or Kudryavtsev, both of whom had more points as well. There's also guys like Ty Nelson, Sam Dickinson, and Connor Punnett, who I thought were considerably better in an all-around sense. There's probably even more if I were to look.

Gibson was voted the league's best shot blocker and was a finalist for best defender in the OHL coaches poll last year. He's the exact type of guy that teams will be looking for.

Writing off Miller after he was better than Schenkel last year just because of 2 games seems unwise. He's very talented and Charlie is a great example of how long it takes goaltenders to develop. He was an awful goaltender for his whole career until most of the way through last season and now look at him. You just have to let them play and hope the talent shines through. This is the season to do it.

 

[SSMHoundsFan]

That's quite a statement, given that he wasn't really a standout defender. Good, but he wasn't close to the level of a guy like Buchinger or Kudryavtsev, both of whom had more points as well. There's also guys like Ty Nelson, Sam Dickinson, and Connor Punnett, who I thought were considerably better in an all-around sense. There's probably even more if I were to look.

Gibson was voted the league's best shot blocker and was a finalist for best defender in the OHL coaches poll last year. He's the exact type of guy that teams will be looking for.

Writing off Miller after he was better than Schenkel last year just because of 2 games seems unwise. He's very talented and Charlie is a great example of how long it takes goaltenders to develop. He was an awful goaltender for his whole career until most of the way through last season and now look at him. You just have to let them play and hope the talent shines through. This is the season to do it.

If Schenkel isn't traded or released at the deadline, I don't see how having him around is beneficial at all to Miller's development, I get playing him now helps bolster his value to prospective buyers but I'm hoping it's temporary

 

[Houndzfan20]

That's quite a statement, given that he wasn't really a standout defender. Good, but he wasn't close to the level of a guy like Buchinger or Kudryavtsev, both of whom had more points as well. There's also guys like Ty Nelson, Sam Dickinson, and Connor Punnett, who I thought were considerably better in an all-around sense. There's probably even more if I were to look.

Gibson was voted the league's best shot blocker and was a finalist for best defender in the OHL coaches poll last year. He's the exact type of guy that teams will be looking for.

Writing off Miller after he was better than Schenkel last year just because of 2 games seems unwise. He's very talented and Charlie is a great example of how long it takes goaltenders to develop. He was an awful goaltender for his whole career until most of the way through last season and now look at him. You just have to let them play and hope the talent shines through. This is the season to do it.

You have to understand Miller had better numbers last year because he played the bottom feeders. You have to. Having mostly rookie teams shooting instead of the Londons, Saginaw, Sudbury...of course his stars were padded. I'm not having this conversation with you for the 10th time lol. We get it. You love Miller. You may be the only one, but this is getting old.

Imo Donovan controlled games last year like gibby hasn't. Hopefully he will thisbyear but I haven't seen it yet.

 

[OHLfan200]

That's quite a statement, given that he wasn't really a standout defender. Good, but he wasn't close to the level of a guy like Buchinger or Kudryavtsev, both of whom had more points as well. There's also guys like Ty Nelson, Sam Dickinson, and Connor Punnett, who I thought were considerably better in an all-around sense. There's probably even more if I were to look.

Gibson was voted the league's best shot blocker and was a finalist for best defender in the OHL coaches poll last year. He's the exact type of guy that teams will be looking for.

Writing off Miller after he was better than Schenkel last year just because of 2 games seems unwise. He's very talented and Charlie is a great example of how long it takes goaltenders to develop. He was an awful goaltender for his whole career until most of the way through last season and now look at him. You just have to let them play and hope the talent shines through. This is the season to do it.

I’m curious to know how you’ve concluded that Miller was the better goalie last year? Just wondering.. are you looking at the numbers? Cuz Miller has never really looked comfortable to me in a Soo net. Also, if Miller is net against Saginaw last year it’s a 4 maybe 5 game series instead of a 7 imo lol.

 

[DWI Dale]

Schenkel isn't going anywhere unless Miller can get his head sorted out.

Fischhaber has always criticized our starters and wanted to anoint the backup as the #1 guy, usually after he makes grandiose predictions that don't come to fruition. When Miller is the starter he will do the same to him.

 

[OHLfan200]

Schenkel isn't going anywhere unless Miller can get his head sorted out.

Fischhaber has always criticized our starters and wanted to anoint the backup as the #1 guy, usually after he makes grandiose predictions that don't come to fruition. When Miller is the starter he will do the same to him.

I’m pretty sure I remember Schenkel stealing the starting job from Ivanov in his 2nd year before he got injured. Schenkel’s development and improvement has been absurd. Imo we’ve seen nothing close to that in Miller. And again I say, I hope Miller can figure it out. I’m rooting for him. I was pumped for him on Sunday when we got that win. Almost looks like a confidence thing, once he got through the first few minutes he settled right down.

 

[DWI Dale]

Its totally in his head. He's not a 5+ GAA tendy by any means. He needs to have faith in his abilities and so do his teammates. The starters job is right there for him to take, but maybe that's why he's buckled so badly this year.

As a goalie mental toughness is as important as any technical ability. That's why they're a different breed, and often downright strange lol

 

[Fischhaber]

I’m curious to know how you’ve concluded that Miller was the better goalie last year? Just wondering.. are you looking at the numbers? Cuz Miller has never really looked comfortable to me in a Soo net. Also, if Miller is net against Saginaw last year it’s a 4 maybe 5 game series instead of a 7 imo lol.

Shenkel's great performance late in the season and in the playoffs made people forget how awful he was for the first 4-5 months. Miller really carried us then as a 17 year old, which is rare and impressive. That's reflected in his better overall statistics.

Young goalies don't often do that, as they take a long time to develop. A career path like we're seeing from Schenkel is far more common. Scouts in 2 leagues now have seen fit to draft Miller quite high, so there's obviously a lot of talent. If there was any time in the last decade to let a young goalie develop, it's this year. We risk having to find a guy in 26/27 if we don't do this property.

 

[Houndzfan20]

Shenkel's great performance late in the season and in the playoffs made people forget how awful he was for the first 4-5 months. Miller really carried us then as a 17 year old, which is rare and impressive. That's reflected in his better overall statistics.

Young goalies don't often do that, as they take a long time to develop. A career path like we're seeing from Schenkel is far more common. Scouts in 2 leagues now have seen fit to draft Miller quite high, so there's obviously a lot of talent. If there was any time in the last decade to let a young goalie develop, it's this year. We risk having to find a guy in 26/27 if we don't do this property.

I wish I had your outlook. You are quite possibly the only person that watches the hounds that thinks that. Everyone else, if not everyone, 95 percent of soo fans think the exact opposite. How are you not employed by an nhl team?

Imo he got drafted twice because of his size.

He carried nothing as a 17 year old. He played bottom feeders. End of story.

 

[Fischhaber]

I wish I had your outlook. You are quite possibly the only person that watches the hounds that thinks that. Everyone else, if not everyone, 95 percent of soo fans think the exact opposite. How are you not employed by an nhl team?

Imo he got drafted twice because of his size.

He carried nothing as a 17 year old. He played bottom feeders. End of story.

I sat with my old friend Mark Seidel at a game last year, who thought he was pretty good. He's employed by a team.

People in hockey think he's good. They don't just throw a dart at a list of tall goaltenders. I'm not pretending to be a scout here, I'm just deferring to smarter people with a really vanilla, boring, middle of the road opinion on Miller. You're the person who is pretending that they know more than experts.

 

[Houndzfan20]

I sat with my old friend Mark Seidel at a game last year, who thought he was pretty good. He's employed by a team.

People in hockey think he's good. They don't just throw a dart at a list of tall goaltenders. I'm not pretending to be a scout here, I'm just deferring to smarter people with a really vanilla, boring, middle of the road opinion on Miller. You're the person who is pretending that they know more than experts.

You don't have to be an expert to know miller's stats were because he played the worst of the worst. You just need common sense.

I see now why everyone either blocks you or doesn't engage.

Add me to that list

 

[JoeSchmo]

I sat with my old friend Mark Seidel at a game last year, who thought he was pretty good. He's employed by a team.

People in hockey think he's good. They don't just throw a dart at a list of tall goaltenders. I'm not pretending to be a scout here, I'm just deferring to smarter people with a really vanilla, boring, middle of the road opinion on Miller. You're the person who is pretending that they know more than experts.

I think he’s not a good person. The times I’ve met him I’ve felt he’s arrogant. Just my opinion. Also didn’t he just get in trouble? lol

That being said, Miller is one full year behind in development in my opinion but that doesn’t mean that next year he doesn’t turn into one of the best goalies in the league(it’s still possible as goalies develop very weird and delayed). It doesn’t hurt to keep Miller around and target another goalie in import or whatever that may be. I’m thinking they ride Charlie till deadline and take best offer, if that offer doesn’t match value at deadline you hold him for the rest of the year and he graduates a Hound, not a deal breaker. They’re keeping options open or Reid Thomas wouldn’t be here still haha.

The money is in Gibson and once he plays Noel Nordh. Allard will be nice but he’s an OA so the return won’t be as big. Like my buddy said the Hounds are competitive enough that they can do the old London Knights style soft sell(maybe JUST Gibson) and make out good for the future while remaining competitive this year. I’d like to see Gibson, Allard, Nordh, Charlie moved and possibly Carlisle myself though.

Also I’m not sure if anyone else noticed but Nuto Otto has magically grown 4 inches since the import draft……..

 

[JoeSchmo]

Shenkel's great performance late in the season and in the playoffs made people forget how awful he was for the first 4-5 months. Miller really carried us then as a 17 year old, which is rare and impressive. That's reflected in his better overall statistics.

Young goalies don't often do that, as they take a long time to develop. A career path like we're seeing from Schenkel is far more common. Scouts in 2 leagues now have seen fit to draft Miller quite high, so there's obviously a lot of talent. If there was any time in the last decade to let a young goalie develop, it's this year. We risk having to find a guy in 26/27 if we don't do this property.

Carries us against who? Sarnia sting?

 

[Rivrfront]

This Schenkel vs Miller constant debate is pointless.
Dean will decide who plays in net and we will see what transpires.

 

[Houndzfan20]

Carries us against who? Sarnia sting?

Lol his "great play" at the end of the year made everyone forget about the first 4-5 months? Who is everyone? Cause the everyone I know didn't forget anything haha.

 

[SSMHoundsFan]

What ever happened to Noah Tegelaar? #1 Goalie in the NOJHL last season and his stats this season in the OJHL are pretty impressive so far too....how does a kid like this just fall off the radar, doesn't show up to training camp or anything...

 

[Fischhaber]

I think he’s not a good person. The times I’ve met him I’ve felt he’s arrogant. Just my opinion. Also didn’t he just get in trouble? lol

That being said, Miller is one full year behind in development in my opinion but that doesn’t mean that next year he doesn’t turn into one of the best goalies in the league(it’s still possible as goalies develop very weird and delayed). It doesn’t hurt to keep Miller around and target another goalie in import or whatever that may be. I’m thinking they ride Charlie till deadline and take best offer, if that offer doesn’t match value at deadline you hold him for the rest of the year and he graduates a Hound, not a deal breaker. They’re keeping options open or Reid Thomas wouldn’t be here still haha.

The money is in Gibson and once he plays Noel Nordh. Allard will be nice but he’s an OA so the return won’t be as big. Like my buddy said the Hounds are competitive enough that they can do the old London Knights style soft sell(maybe JUST Gibson) and make out good for the future while remaining competitive this year. I’d like to see Gibson, Allard, Nordh, Charlie moved and possibly Carlisle myself though.

Also I’m not sure if anyone else noticed but Nuto Otto has magically grown 4 inches since the import draft……..

He's had serious troubles with addiction and can be abrasive, but because he's such a great hockey mind, he's always got a job somewhere. The guy sees things and makes predictions that blow my mind. I can understand why you wouldn't like him though.

He was connected to the incident that got Jeff Marek in hot water, but wasn't really accused of any wrongdoing himself. I think that's what you're hinting at. I don't know the full story to be honest, but they checked his communication with Marek and nothing more came of it.

I don't think his opinion on Miller is particularly relevant, but the idea that 'anyone who watches this team' thinks Miller is a steaming pile of trash was completely laughable to me.

 

[HockeyPops]

Like my buddy said the Hounds are competitive enough that they can do the old London Knights style soft sell(maybe JUST Gibson) and make out good for the future while remaining competitive this year. I’d like to see Gibson, Allard, Nordh, Charlie moved and possibly Carlisle myself though.

It wouldn't really be a London Knight soft sell just moving Gibson. London's pick cupboard never drops below half full and the Hounds is almost completely empty.

 

[DWI Dale]

I don't think his opinion on Miller is particularly relevant, but the idea that 'anyone who watches this team' thinks Miller is a steaming pile of trash was completely laughable to me.

Nobody said he's trash. We believe he hasn't earned the starter role and there's empirical evidence to back up that assertion, unlike your claims that Miller is superior to Schenkel.

Do you ever stop for a moment and wonder "Hey maybe it's not everybody else, maybe I'm the source of the drama?"

Probably not eh?

 

[JoeSchmo]

It wouldn't really be a London Knight soft sell just moving Gibson. London's pick cupboard never drops below half full and the Hounds is almost completely empty.

That’s because they do that every time they go for it.. lol is what I’d imagine he meant. They never really lose picks. I think we’re trying to say the similar thing just different points hahab