Blue Jays Discussion: Spring Training Discussion: Countdown to the Season (Thursday at 3pm ET/noon PT)

[canucksfan]

Solid start for the bats

 

[Bjindaho]

38 pitch 1st inning.

Thankfully for Pittsburgh, they have the best defensive 3B in baseball starting.

 

[canucksfan]

Great first inning for Tiedemann

 

[The Nemesis]

38 pitch 1st inning.

Thankfully for Pittsburgh, they have the best defensive 3B in baseball starting.

Did I miss them acquiring Chapman?

 

[Bjindaho]

Did I miss them acquiring Chapman?

Ke'Bryan is a lot of fun to watch.

And Tieds is doing a number on Pitt through 2.

 

[canucksfan]

Put him out for the third inning!

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Tieds is going to get major league innings this year. His stuff gets major leaguers out like 2 years ago lol

 

[The Nemesis]

This is why mic'ing up players rarely works. Especially infielders.

 

[canucksfan]

Of note, Emmanuel Bonilla came in for Springer.

 

[The Nemesis]

Borucki? There's a name we haven't heard in a bit.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Damn, Manoah really is heading the way of Ricky Romero huh?

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[The Nemesis]

Damn, Manoah really is heading the way of Ricky Romero huh?

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Yeah, when I think of baseball analysis I think of getting it from a pair of hockey players.

 

[Eyedea]

Damn, Manoah really is heading the way of Ricky Romero huh?

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What’s happening to Manoah isn’t actually entirely unique though. There’s been plenty of pitchers who randomly went from good to bad and then back to good again. Might even be more than pitchers that go from good to bad and never recover or get back to the major league level. We’ve seen it in recent years with Ray and Berrios, and even Gausman (though he was never this good before his 2019 stinker).

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[hockeywiz542]

Toronto Blue Jays open up 40-man roster spot by trading Santiago Espinal to Reds

The Toronto Blue Jays cleared a spot on their 40-man roster and started unclogging their middle-infield/super-utility player logjam Wednesday by trading Santiago Espinal to the Cincinnati Reds for minor-league righty Chris McElvain.

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DUNEDIN, Fla. — The Toronto Blue Jays cleared a spot on their 40-man roster and started unclogging their middle-infield/super-utility player logjam Wednesday by trading Santiago Espinal to the Cincinnati Reds for minor-league righty Chris McElvain.

Moving the 2022 all-star likely solidifies Ernie Clement’s spot on the big-league club while clearing space for either Brian Serven or Payton Henry, both non-roster invitees, to start the season in the majors while fellow catcher Danny Jansen recovers from a fractured pisiform.

Additional 40-man roster decisions will be necessary if the Blue Jays decide to carry any of minor-league free agents Joey Votto, Daniel Vogelbach or Eduardo Escobar, so additional juggling may very well loom.

Trading Espinal also frees up $2.725 million and leaves the Blue Jays roughly $10 million clear of the second luxury tax threshold of $257 million, adding to their flexibility.

At the same time, the Blue Jays add a 23-year-old right-hander in McElvain that they liked out of Vanderbilt in the 2022 draft before the Reds picked him in the eighth round.

He features a fastball that sits 92-93 and gets up to 94 along with a slider, changeup and cutter-type offering, and logged 96 innings over 23 games, 19 starts, between low-A Daytona and advanced-A Dayton last season, with a cumulative 3.75 ERA, 1.313 WHIP and 87 strikeouts.

It's an interesting mix of tools for the club’s player-development staff to work with.

 

[PanniniClaus]

Borucki? There's a name we haven't heard in a bit.

I'm up all night for Borucki

 

[The Nemesis]

Only 4 spring games left, Friday to Monday. I wonder if Votto gets into one before things wrap up considering he's almost certainly Buffalo-bound to start the season

 

[Kurtz]

JD Martinez to the Mets for $12 mil. Most of it deferred over the next decade +

Less than Turner.

This is upsetting.

 

[The Nemesis]

JD Martinez to the Mets for $12 mil. Most of it deferred over the next decade +

Less than Turner.

This is upsetting.

I'm fine with it because it only happened because of the fluky way that the big name clients on the FA market that weren't Ohtani (and were Boras clients) were all left waiting to sign until way after one would expect. The Mets essentially capitalized on the fact that they didn't do anything before now and were lucky enough that Martinez was still sitting there at the end for them after presumably asking for much more during the early course of free agency.

Planning to try and take advantage of this happening would be begging to get caught at the end of free agency having done absolutely nothing. I would've preferred Martinez over Turner but I'm not going to get upset that the team didn't sit on their hands until literally a week away from opening day crossing their fingers that an unprecedented show of common sense from the rest of the league caused them to balk at higher priced demands (and elicit collusion cries from the players' side of things).

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

 

[Discoverer]

JD Martinez to the Mets for $12 mil. Most of it deferred over the next decade +

Less than Turner.

This is upsetting.

Eh... I have a hard time caring too much about this one. They had a choice between a DH who could play a little infield as needed or a better hitting DH who probably never does anything else. I don't see both signing here with the playing time that was available, and it's not like Martinez is way better than Turner.

Also, maybe JDM's power resurgence last year is sustainable, but he projects for worse numbers than Vogelbach.

There are plenty of things to be upset about this offseason, but I don't think this is one of them.

 

[Suntouchable13]

What’s happening to Manoah isn’t actually entirely unique though. There’s been plenty of pitchers who randomly went from good to bad and then back to good again. Might even be more than pitchers that go from good to bad and never recover or get back to the major league level. We’ve seen it in recent years with Ray and Berrios, and even Gausman (though he was never this good before his 2019 stinker).

Halladay too. Did he not start hot? Then we know what happened after

 

[The Nemesis]

White looks good. If Gausman isn't ready to go first turn through the rotation I'm OK with him and Francis getting the turns.

 

[canucksfan]

White looks good. If Gausman isn't ready to go first turn through the rotation I'm OK with him and Francis getting the turns.

Was just coming here to post that. Velo, control, and whiffs are great.

Looks like Escobar opted out of his contract.

IKF crushed that

 

[phillipmike]