Blue Jays Discussion: Split Against O's, Up Next, Yankees

[Woodman19]

Probably. Unless his arm explodes again. Which given how hard he throws and what he throws(though he's allegedly toned it down a bit), is always possible.



Chance? Yes.

Likely? Not remotely. Rays are going to want a king's ransom for him and that's before they even entertain the idea of trading him within the division. The cost would far exceed the value of the return.

Lets also not forget that we are a team close to budget and we are likely going to rely on cheap arms to replenish the team when Buerhle and Dickey are gone in a couple years.

 

[NeverGoingToWin]

O's and Rays is on Sportsnet. Go Rays!

 

[NeverGoingToWin]

Lets also not forget that we are a team close to budget and we are likely going to rely on cheap arms to replenish the team when Buerhle and Dickey are gone in a couple years.

Sounds good. Good teams develop their own pitchers. I hope we never trade for a top pitcher again. Top pitcher in terms of their reputation only because the reputation never matches what you are getting.

 

[Woodman19]

Sounds good. Good teams develop their own pitchers. I hope we never trade for a top pitcher again. Top pitcher in terms of their reputation only because the reputation never matches what you are getting.

Its mostly because pitchers are at their best before they physically break down in their late 20's. When you acquire pitchers, they are generally at or past that stage and you will never get the performance that made them big names in their primes.

 

[NeverGoingToWin]

Its mostly because pitchers are at their best before they physically break down in their late 20's. When you acquire pitchers, they are generally at or past that stage and you will never get the performance that made them big names in their primes.

Exactly. I already know that. That is why there is not a single top pitcher I would give anything of value up for.

 

[Woodman19]

Exactly. I already know that. That is why there is not a single top pitcher I would give anything of value up for.

Might be the beauty of AA hording pitching prospects. So many break down and so many decline that by simply having sheer quantity of fresh and young arms should ensure we can weather attrition and maintain solid/good pitching on the major league team. Assuming we can retain and develop them at a good pace.

 

[NeverGoingToWin]

The only problem with this strategy is we are struggling a lot with the develop part.

 

[Woodman19]

The only problem with this strategy is we are struggling a lot with the develop part.

In fairness, we have been drafting and signing mostly 18 and 16 year old kids who are only now starting to reach the upper levels of the farm system and currently Stroman and Hutchison look like they might be solid players developed in the system.

 

[Eyedea]

Is Strasburg still considered a future superstar?

He's currently entering superstardom with his pitching performance this year.

 

[King Mapes]

The only problem with this strategy is we are struggling a lot with the develop part.

Exactly. Snider, TDA, Rios, Wells, Adams.. These guys were future stars. Baseball, more than other sports, are unpredictable. Look at our team. How many were drafted and developed by us? I'm having trouble coming up with many names, not counting relievers. Lind... Stroman.. Hutch, uhh..?

 

[The Nemesis]

Exactly. Snider, TDA, Rios, Wells, Adams.. These guys were future stars. Baseball, more than other sports, are unpredictable. Look at our team. How many were drafted and developed by us? I'm having trouble coming up with many names, not counting relievers. Lind... Stroman.. Hutch, uhh..?

that happens with most teams. The bust rate in baseball is astronomical. That's not to say the Jays haven't done poorly particularly in their early round selections in the draft, but that's why the current strategy is in place. Draft quantity and quality. Some of them are going to fail, but the more that are in the system, the better chance of getting some that succeed.

 

[Stats01]

Does this fit the Yankees?
NYY, the team where young players never get a chance, and when they do, they get traded pretty quickly

Be honest!

Sounds like the ****ing Leafs to me lol Part of the reason why kids don't get a chance with the Yankees is because they're always in position to contend. WS always will trump prospect development. You're either developing your prospects for the future or trading them as currency to improve your big club.

 

[mikebel111*]

Sounds like the ****ing Leafs to me lol Part of the reason why kids don't get a chance with the Yankees is because they're always in position to contend. WS always will trump prospect development. You're either developing your prospects for the future or trading them as currency to improve your big club.

Lol the Leafs comparison makes sense
I understand that point, however Yankees are always loading up on big contracts, and if you are not established, you can go far and away from NYY. I dont know I just can't stand them

 

[dredeye]

Everything. It contributes to the skepticism year after year. Let me guess, you were one of the many who thought the Jays would contend for the World Series last season?

So you were telling everyone in the off season prior to last season that the team would suck? LOL. There's a reason why the Jays had so much hype around them. This season is what last should have been and then some.

 

[dredeye]

Exactly. Snider, TDA, Rios, Wells, Adams.. These guys were future stars. Baseball, more than other sports, are unpredictable. Look at our team. How many were drafted and developed by us? I'm having trouble coming up with many names, not counting relievers. Lind... Stroman.. Hutch, uhh..?

You forgot the biggest of the big boys. Romero and JPA

 

[Mach85]

You forgot the biggest of the big boys. Romero and JPA

Romero has had such a rocky path. First he was the bust who we picked when Tulo was still on the board, then he was an emerging top of the rotation starter, now he's back to being a bust.

And how dare you call JPA a bust! He hits the long ball, and who needs to play defense or get on base when you can do that?

 

[Habsfan18]

Deck's start tonight: 6 hits, 5 earned runs, 3 walks and 4 strikeouts in 3.1 innings.

 

[NeverGoingToWin]

Jim Callis said on twitter that it might be a while before we hear anything on Hoffman or Pentecost.

 

[Woodman19]

I can't see Pentecost being to long, we made a hole in Lansing for him. I doubt we would of done that if Pentecost wasn't close.

 

[theaub]

Kawasaki is back fml

 

[NeverGoingToWin]

Verlander with another terrible start.

I do not understand people eager to give up multiple top prospects for a pitcher. Too many examples of them dropping off dramatically quickly for me to ever want to do that.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Dantzler got promoted to Dunedin? When did that happen?

 

[theaub]

A liberal interpretation of the last line of this card makes it the GOAT athlete twitter post

https://twitter.com/VernonWells10/status/478718762498007040

 

[trellaine201]

Yay, 2 run HR jerry sands in bottom of the 8th , 5-3 Tampa over the O's

 

[jcollins]

Dantzler got promoted to Dunedin? When did that happen?

Today. Not sure why though, not like he was ripping the cover off the ball. Maybe because Lansing is on their All Star break and he got a late start to the year?