Confirmed with Link: Spezza tenders resignation - Update 6/14 Named Penguins AGM

[mikeyz]

Typical of Dubas to hire people with less experience than him so he becomes the leader. He loves being the big fish in the small pond.

That said, how is this not tampering? Dubas fired, Spezza resigns, and they both end up in Pittsburgh. Almost like Pittsburgh was talking to Dubas behind the scenes, and Spezza knew it.

Well, they can take Keefe (If Treliving actually fires him)

Well for one, Dubas wasn't fired.

There's a reason he's allowed to run Pittsburghs draft and Treliving isn't.

Dubas was fired actually.

 

[thewave]

Well, they can take Keefe (If Treliving actually fires him)


Dubas was fired actually.

By all rights it should be tampering and they owe us a 1st rd pick. Gary Bet99man is operating under the laws of the jungle though.

 

[Stamkos4life]

Well for one, Dubas wasn't fired.

There's a reason he's allowed to run Pittsburghs draft and Treliving isn't.

Naw dubas was fired.

Not sure why some of you are trying to rewrite the story.

 

[Forecheck1]

Who hires an AGM before an actual GM - Spezza has no special qualities that would separate him from anyone as a hockey executive. Stay tuned for some Woke hires by the phony.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Naw dubas was fired.

Not sure why some of you are trying to rewrite the story.

I thought he was as his contract was technically not up until the end of June?

Could be wrong though.

 

[Peasy]

I'm positive money was a factor. Word is he increased his ask from ~4 to ~7. That's insane especially considering his lack of success.

I'd be interested to see what hes paid by the pens.

The total control was obviously another factor. That along with using his family as an excuse to then ask for money is exactly why he was fired.

Friedman said dubas got 7 years and something just over 40m. My guess is he's making just over 6 a year.

Spezza can do what he wants, but he clearly cared more about dubas than the leafs and for that reason I won't miss him.

 

[Hugh Mongusbig]

Who hires an AGM before an actual GM - Spezza has no special qualities that would separate him from anyone as a hockey executive. Stay tuned for some Woke hires by the phony.

A Pres of Hockey Ops who also plans on playing GM himself.

I don't think Dubas is hiring a GM. If he was, he would have allowed the new GM to hire his own assistant.

 

[DarkKnight]

I liked Spezza as a player here, and I wish him well, but I also couldn’t care less that he went with Dubas. He’s a complete, raw unknown as a front office type, it isn’t a loss of any sort and frankly I’d love someone to point to a single contribution he made here that justifies a AGM gig.

 

[Leaf Fans]

I thought he was as his contract was technically not up until the end of June?

Could be wrong though.

That is correct. That is why Pittsburgh had to ask permission to talk to Dubas. He was informed that there was no extension.

 

[justashadowof]

I liked Spezza as a player here, and I wish him well, but I also couldn’t care less that he went with Dubas. He’s a complete, raw unknown as a front office type, it isn’t a loss of any sort and frankly I’d love someone to point to a single contribution he made here that justifies a AGM gig.

There's that vid of Spezza diligently filling out forms during some game amongst a gaggle of scouts shooting the breeze with one another while watching the game. Pittsburgh is going to find the next Nic Petan long before any of those other teams.

 

[Bomber0104]

I thought he was as his contract was technically not up until the end of June?

Could be wrong though.

He was fired May 19th.

Source: himself

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[hullsy47]

There's that vid of Spezza diligently filling out forms during some game amongst a gaggle of scouts shooting the breeze with one another while watching the game. Pittsburgh is going to find the next Nic Petan long before any of those other teams.

Spezza might be a dubas rat .not sure everybody is gonna love him in Pittsburgh
If he cared about the leafs he could have stayed

 

[Trapper]

Who hires an AGM before an actual GM - Spezza has no special qualities that would separate him from anyone as a hockey executive. Stay tuned for some Woke hires by the phony.

If the plan is to eventually bring in Pridham (that would be why Dubas is interim GM), that would explain it.
It would be the same team from Toronto, they just moved up a rank.
Dubas was Palpatine planning for some time.

 

[capfit9]

Naw dubas was fired.

Not sure why some of you are trying to rewrite the story.

Then why did Pitt need permission to talk to him

 

[ACC1224]

Well for one, Dubas wasn't fired.

There's a reason he's allowed to run Pittsburghs draft and Treliving isn't.

Shanahan fired him, thankfully.

If he wasn't fired, what do you think happened?

Then why did Pitt need permission to talk to him

His contract hadn't expired yet.

 

[QJo]

He said he was going to handle the draft himself so doesn't sound like he's in a rush.

Spezza can do his errands in the meantime. Dry cleaners, Starbucks and Mickey D's runs.

The instinct to mock someone who is just starting in a new field and trying to be successful is an odd one. Especially when he's not in competition with you. I hope he does well because well, why not?

 

[capfit9]

Shanahan fired him, thankfully.

If he wasn't fired, what do you think happened?


His contract hadn't expired yet.

So technically he was still employed about to be unemployed

 

[IPS]

Well for one, Dubas wasn't fired.

That's one way to huff the copium I guess

 

[ACC1224]

So technically he was still employed about to be unemployed

Yes, relieved of duties but still on the payroll.
Babcock was the same.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Semantics, but I'd argue that Dubas wasn't fired.

Shanahan wanted to extend Dubas but they couldn't agree on finances.

Saying Dubas was "fired" would be like saying the leafs "fired" Mikheyev last offseason when they didn't offer him a contract extension.

 

[IPS]

Semantics, but I'd argue that Dubas wasn't fired.

Shanahan wanted to extend Dubas but they couldn't agree on finances.

Saying Dubas was "fired" would be like saying the leafs "fired" Mikheyev last offseason when they didn't offer him a contract extension.

Dubas was fired, he says so himself

He was fired May 19th.

Source: himself

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[francis246]

Semantics, but I'd argue that Dubas wasn't fired.

Shanahan wanted to extend Dubas but they couldn't agree on finances.

Saying Dubas was "fired" would be like saying the leafs "fired" Mikheyev last offseason when they didn't offer him a contract extension.

Dubas was fired. He was told not to return to the facilities. That was reported by many insiders. He was at his office, relieved of his duties and told to leave that same day by Shanahan. That is getting fired no other way about it.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Dubas was fired. He was told not to return to the facilities. That was reported by many insiders. He was at his office, relieved of his duties and told to leave that same day by Shanahan. That is getting fired no other way about it.

Why don't we apply this to players then? The players contract officially ends July 1st. But if the team tells them at locker clean out "We're not extending you. So take your stuff and start looking elsewhere" nobody says the player was "fired". We say the team opted to not extend the player.

The leafs wanted to extend Dubas, but they couldn't agree on numbers. Pittsburgh had to ask permission to speak to Dubas because he was still under contract with the leafs.

 

[vpasla1]

Why don't we apply this to players then? The players contract officially ends July 1st. But if the team tells them at locker clean out "We're not extending you. So take your stuff and start looking elsewhere" nobody says the player was "fired". We say the team opted to not extend the player.

The leafs wanted to extend Dubas, but they couldn't agree on numbers. Pittsburgh had to ask permission to speak to Dubas because he was still under contract with the leafs.

Those player sign new contracts after July 1, you know after their current contract expired. I believe the players can still access the medical staff/trainers, etc. prior to the end of June. I'm guessing the contracts are different as standard player contracts fall under the the NHL PA and NHL.

Dubas' contract ran until the end of June. If he was to sign with Pittsburgh after that, then he would not be considered fired. So they are not the same thing.

 

[francis246]

Why don't we apply this to players then? The players contract officially ends July 1st. But if the team tells them at locker clean out "We're not extending you. So take your stuff and start looking elsewhere" nobody says the player was "fired". We say the team opted to not extend the player.

The leafs wanted to extend Dubas, but they couldn't agree on numbers. Pittsburgh had to ask permission to speak to Dubas because he was still under contract with the leafs.

I feel like you’re grasping at straws here. You know it’s a term that’s used specifically for executives/coaching staff. Players once the season is over essentially stop working as independent contractors. I believe there is specific language in the CBA that even doesn’t permit those players to participate in certain team activities once the season is over. Coaching staffs, player personnel, management are continually working. The draft and UFA were coming up. He was told to stop working on behalf of the Leafs. That is getting fired.