Confirmed with Link: Spezza tenders resignation - Update 6/14 Named Penguins AGM

[ULF_55]

Spezza might be a dubas rat .not sure everybody is gonna love him in Pittsburgh
If he cared about the leafs he could have stayed

Treliving is going to bring in his own extended family.

 

[francis246]

Treliving is going to bring in his own extended family.

He already has which is why I find the fake outrage so funny. Didn’t we just steal Shane Doan from Arizona? Doan was also still under contract too when the rumours started lol. And he has deeper ties to the Arizona organization compared to Spezza and the Leafs.

 

[ACC1224]

He already has which is why I find the fake outrage so funny. Didn’t we just steal Shane Doan from Arizona? Doan was also still under contract too when the rumours started lol. And he has deeper ties to the Arizona organization compared to Spezza and the Leafs.

These contracts usually have some type of outs to take other positions. I doubt Doan was stolen, it would all have been above board.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Those player sign new contracts after July 1, you know after their current contract expired. I believe the players can still access the medical staff/trainers, etc. prior to the end of June. I'm guessing the contracts are different as standard player contracts fall under the the NHL PA and NHL.

Dubas' contract ran until the end of June. If he was to sign with Pittsburgh after that, then he would not be considered fired. So they are not the same thing.

Splitting hairs.

Fine, Dubas was "fired". But lets see how often we use that word regarding other players/executives.

Nobody is saying Treliving was fired. His contract with the Flames is up June 30th as well. Yet he's currently signed with the leafs...

@francis246

Was Treliving "fired" by the flames?

 

[yubbers]

Who hires an AGM before an actual GM - Spezza has no special qualities that would separate him from anyone as a hockey executive. Stay tuned for some Woke hires by the phony.

I'm offended he hired a man honestly. SMH

LOL

 

[ACC1224]

Splitting hairs.

Fine, Dubas was "fired". But lets see how often we use that word regarding other players/executives.

Nobody is saying Treliving was fired. His contract with the Flames is up June 30th as well. Yet he's currently signed with the leafs...

He wasn't fired, which is why nobody is saying he was fired. He resigned.

 

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He wasn't fired, which is why nobody is saying he was fired. He resigned.

Actually an extension offer was pulled. You can't resign from offers you don't receive.

 

[yubbers]

He wasn't fired, which is why nobody is saying he was fired. He resigned.

But you're not all wrong. He has the PITT jo in his back pocket the whole time. He knew his 'offer' would be rejected.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

He wasn't fired, which is why nobody is saying he was fired. He resigned.

Got it. So when a team wants to extend a GM but both sides can't agree on numbers, it's a "firing". Shanahan said they literally had a contract waiting that they wanted Dubas to sign. But he refused to sign. They renegotiated but couldn't agree on terms. "Fired".

Ok. Fine. Let's see how consistently we apply this across the league.

 

[ACC1224]

Actually an extension offer was pulled. You can't resign from offers you don't receive.

Treliving's decision to bolt leaves Flames looking lost

It was a sad and embarrassing day for the Calgary Flames. After nine years as Flames GM, Brad Treliving made the difficult decision to do what few team architects ever do: walk away.

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[francis246]

Splitting hairs.

Fine, Dubas was "fired". But lets see how often we use that word regarding other players/executives.

Nobody is saying Treliving was fired. His contract with the Flames is up June 30th as well. Yet he's currently signed with the leafs...

@francis246

Was Treliving "fired" by the flames?

The Calgary flames offered Brad Treliving multiple contract extensions throughout the season, including a few days before he decided to leave the team. He declined them. It’s not the same. The Calgary flames wanted Brad back. He did not want to return

 

[yubbers]

Treliving's decision to bolt leaves Flames looking lost

It was a sad and embarrassing day for the Calgary Flames. After nine years as Flames GM, Brad Treliving made the difficult decision to do what few team architects ever do: walk away.

www.sportsnet.ca

Dubas was not offered an extension by SHanny. By definition that's getting fired. If your contract isn't renewed...your services are no longer needed.

 

[ULF_55]

Treliving and Flames agreed to part. It's reported everywhere.

Perhaps Treliving had already been talking to Leafs?
Shanahan lowballs Dubas, forcing him to counter-offer, giving Shanahan an easy out where he isn't the bad guy. Shanahan then does the PR speech and then moves on to Treliving he already had in his back-pocket along with Doan who Treliving had already arranged to follow him.

Maybe Flames and Coyotes need to investigate the Leafs for tampering?

 

[ACC1224]

Got it. So when a team wants to extend a GM but both sides can't agree on numbers, it's a "firing". Shanahan said they literally had a contract waiting that they wanted Dubas to sign. But he refused to sign. They renegotiated but couldn't agree on terms. "Fired".

Ok. Fine. Let's see how consistently we apply this across the league.

Believe what you like, you're looking a little silly here or maybe just naive.

When you have a contract and you are relieved before the contract expires the general acceptance is you were relieved of your duties(fired). You are still an employee and will be paid out until the end of the contract. If you want to go somewhere else that has to be negotiated.

Had they let him work until the end and then said they weren't bringing him back, it's a parting of ways and he is free to do whatever he likes.

It is consistently applied to Management around the league.

Dubas was not offered an extension by SHanny. By definition that's getting fired. If your contract isn't renewed...your services are no longer needed.

Yes, Dubas was fired. I was referring to Treliving resigning.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

The Calgary flames offered Brad Treliving multiple contract extensions throughout the season, including a few days before he decided to leave the team. He declined them. It’s not the same. The Calgary flames wanted Brad back. He did not want to return

Shanahan offered Dubas a contract and wanted him back. Dubas declined that contract. They couldn't agree on a negotiation from there.

 

[yubbers]

Treliving and Flames agreed to part. It's reported everywhere.

Perhaps Treliving had already been talking to Leafs?
Shanahan lowballs Dubas, forcing him to counter-offer, giving Shanahan an easy out where he isn't the bad guy. Shanahan then does the PR speech and then moves on to Treliving he already had in his back-pocket along with Doan who Treliving had already arranged to follow him.

Maybe Flames and Coyotes need to investigate the Leafs for tampering?

You just have to ignore Dubas lying through his teeth to reach that conclusion.

I'm no Shanny fan..but Dubas f***ed him. Clear as day

 

[francis246]

Treliving and Flames agreed to part. It's reported everywhere.

Perhaps Treliving had already been talking to Leafs?
Shanahan lowballs Dubas, forcing him to counter-offer, giving Shanahan an easy out where he isn't the bad guy. Shanahan then does the PR speech and then moves on to Treliving he already had in his back-pocket along with Doan who Treliving had already arranged to follow him.

Maybe Flames and Coyotes need to investigate the Leafs for tampering?

I find it hilarious that everyone takes Shanny’s version of events as the be all end all. I don’t really care that Dubas left, I think Treliving will be a good fit. But I’m all for treating people right. Shanny’s press conference was gutless. Should have never aired out the dirty laundry.

Was it Chelios who said Shanahan is a politician type guy who only thinks about himself?

Shanahan offered Dubas a contract and wanted him back. Dubas declined that contract. They couldn't agree on a negotiation from there.

No according to Shanahan, Dubas was ready to come back. Shanahan had a change of heart and relieved him of his duties. I don’t know why you’re choosing to die on this hill bud. GM’s coaches get fired all the time. It’s the term that’s used. Who cares.

 

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Shanahan offered Dubas a contract and wanted him back. Dubas declined that contract. They couldn't agree on a negotiation from there.

He then pulled the offer after Dubas did a presser showing how wishy washy he is.

Dubas negotiated himself out of the job. But it's clear Pitts was the plan all along. You don't get that brazen in negotiations without a fallback.

 

[ULF_55]

Dubas was not offered an extension by SHanny. By definition that's getting fired. If your contract isn't renewed...your services are no longer needed.

Well, yes he was but he countered that offer, which was rejected.

He was then told his services were no longer required, relieved of duties.

The only real question was he officially fired or relieved of duties. Was he paid out all his money on date of firing, or was he relieved of duties with his contract running through to completion.

Would there be any need for the Penguins to ask for permission if he was fired effective prior to Penguins talking? However if he was relieved of duties but his contract was not terminated but was allowed to run out, legally is that a firing or just not being extended?

Same with Babcock, he was relieved of duties but is still under contract to the Leafs. They did not terminate his contract as it is still in effect.

 

[francis246]

You just have to ignore Dubas lying through his teeth to reach that conclusion.

I'm no Shanny fan..but Dubas f***ed him. Clear as day

Shanny f***ed himself by not convincing the board to extend Dubas in 2022 if Dubas was “his guy”

 

[yubbers]

Well, yes he was but he countered that offer, which was rejected.

He was then told his services were no longer required, relieved of duties.

The only real question was he officially fired or relieved of duties. Was he paid out all his money on date of firing, or was he relieved of duties with his contract running through to completion.

Would there be any need for the Penguins to ask for permission if he was fired effective prior to Penguins talking? However if he was relieved of duties but his contract was not terminated but was allowed to run out, legally is that a firing or just not being extended?

Same with Babcock, he was relieved of duties but is still under contract to the Leafs. They did not terminate his contract as it is still in effect.

Semantics. He got himself fired.

Shanny f***ed himself by not convincing the board to extend Dubas in 2022 if Dubas was “his guy”

Shanny f***ed us all hiring Dubas. Let's make that clear

 

[thewave]

Who hires an AGM before an actual GM - Spezza has no special qualities that would separate him from anyone as a hockey executive. Stay tuned for some Woke hires by the phony.

They just hired the shiftiest character in Hockey (Dubas). It's actually rather funny and I really do hope we get awarded a PITS 1st round pick.

 

[francis246]

They just hired the shiftiest character in Hockey (Dubas). It's actually rather funny and I really do hope we get awarded a PITS 1st round pick.

Why would we be awarded anything? Shanahan himself has email confirmation and verbal confirmation that Dubas declared he wanted to come back. Shanahan himself also said HE changed his mind. There is no case for tampering here.

 

[francis246]

They just hired the shiftiest character in Hockey (Dubas). It's actually rather funny and I really do hope we get awarded a PITS 1st round pick.

Also how can you come on here and say Dubas is the shiftiest character in hockey? We have executives/coaches who have covered up sexual assault, who have physically assaulted players. Who have bullied players, healthy scratched guys for 40 straight games. Coaches/players who have killed people. Give me a break. Dubas isn’t even remotely in that category. Get over it, he left for another job. Boo hoo, we’ve got a new GM now.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Shanahan offered Dubas a contract and wanted him back. Dubas declined that contract. They couldn't agree on a negotiation from there.

That is not how this all played out. Dubas was fired because Dubas wanted his direct supervisors job. If you think he was let go because of money I have a bridge to sell you as well. Trelieving left Calgary on his own because the owners wouldn't get rid of Sutter. Dubas made a power play trying to reduce Shannahans involvement and Shanny canned him.