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There’s speculation that both Dubas and Spezza might be looking to join the Ottawa Senators.
Confirmed with Link: Spezza tenders resignation - Update 6/14 Named Penguins AGM
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Yeah they did. Chicago had 112 points and won the cup in the last year of their star's ELCs. Then they got their post-ELC contracts, and Chicago dropped back to 97 and 101 point seasons, losing both times in the 1st round. Pittsburgh's re-signings were spread out by a year, which helped them smooth out the hit to their regular season results, but they did go from making the final and then winning the cup with Crosby/Malkin on ELCs, to losing in the first and second round for the next few years.
Of course, both of those teams had also been in lengthy rebuilds prior, and were organizationally in a much healthier state than Lou left Dubas. They also had the benefit of a rapidly rising cap and now illegal cap circumventing contracts to supplement and/or take those cap hit increases with less significant subtraction.
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Spezza is no loss at all to the organization and only a sounding board for Dubas anyways.
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Chicago won two cups during the 5 post elc years. "Regression". lol
The leafs have won ONE ROUND in the post elc years of our core.
Your spin accomplished nothing all of these years. The team performed the way the intelligent fans said it would. You've been proven wrong by the cold hard facts. Own it. Be better.
Yeah, they were set up well and had advantages like a rapidly rising cap and cap circumvention contracts, and built back up into that after regression following the signings.
Not sure what you'd call going from 112 points and a Cup to 97/101 points and first round losses.
The only one that has been proven wrong by the cold hard facts all these years has been you. Take your own advice.
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Funny... a stagnant cap didn't prevent Coloroda from winning a cup. Ditto Tampa. Imagine that.
I wrote the second the unprecedented dramatic overpayments were penned that the structure doesn't work and the leafs will be a good regular season team that get's choked out in the playoffs. I have the posts here to prove it.
I was right. Don't be a poor loser Dekes.
Imagine the leafs won the cup this year and I tried claiming my criticisms of team design were still correct? Can you even imagine that? I'd take the L. I'd have no choice.
Take the L Dekes. Just take the L.
A stagnant cap doesn't prevent a cup from being handed out... Both of those teams have been building for a long time, and didn't sign all of their top players directly prior to that stagnant cap. We don't have the benefit of being in the West and having one of the best players in the world signed back when he sucked, and we don't have the benefit of massive cap circumvention and a generational playoff goalie drafted a decade ago.
And you were wrong. The contracts weren't "unprecedented dramatic overpayments", and the structure does work. Even with the cap suddenly stagnating instead of rising massively, and the players locked in at their peak cost, we've been able to consistently build a top tier team.
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Yup, pretty much anyone can bring the kid popcorn and water bottles………
Now who’s on team doom and gloom……….
rumman
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That was a classic, but the biggest boner was Dubas’ Leafs losing to a zamboni driver, nothing will ever top that one…….
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It’s the only way he could get a Tkachuk on his team. He had no choice.
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Trapper
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Yes please. Take your pick of our core on the way out.
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56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
Pretty funny, some Dubasites claimed some fans would rather see Leafs lose than Dubas succeed. Predicting doom because one's Messiah is gone is next level.
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
After watching his brother do what he is doing these playoffs, nobody is trading Brady. Sens got him signed for something like 8x8 while we are paying our stars $11m on shorter term deals. Definite advantage for Sens if they can take the next step. Same for the Sabres and Wings.
He was caught with a sword with Brutus Dubas by Julius Caesar Shanny.
Spezza was an intern at best earning his last yr of salary.
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Yeah, a lot of people have opinions. Some have come to conclusions , but Spezza has yet to speak. Though your Ides of March reference looks backward.
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Me thinks Spezza agreed to sign for league min with the Leafs and then “retire” and get an AGM or whatever his title was with Dubas for an undisclosed salary.
This was all part of the plan for Spezz.
This was all part of the plan for Spezz.
Rumor: The real reason Jason Spezza resigned from the Maple Leafs.
An NHL insider has a theory about the timing of Jason Spezza's sudden resignation.
When the Toronto Maple Leafs made the decision to fire general manager Kyle Dubas earlier this month they were quickly informed that there would be consequences for going down that road.
Almost immediately following the decision to fire Dubas, beloved former National Hockey League forward Jason Spezza announced that he would be resigning from his position as special assistant to the general manager. Most believe that Spezza made the decision purely out of loyalty to Dubas, with whom he worked closely, but on Monday NHL insider Elliotte Friedman shared his own theory on the timing of Speeza's seemingly sudden resignation.
Friedman admitted that he likely will never get confirmation for his theory, but he suggested that Spezza's retirement may have been precipitated by an intriguing offer from the Maple Leafs.
"The timing of his resignation in Toronto has people wondering if he was initially the plan," said Friedman on the 32 Thoughts Podcast.
What Friedman meant here by 'the plan' was that Spezza would take over in lieu of Dubas as interim general manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs.
"The organizational plan to take over as interim general manager after Dubas left," said Friedman.
Again I must stress that this was only a theory, a point that Friedman made sure to get across.
"I don't know if we will ever get confirmation on that, but certainly that is one of the theories," said Friedman.
If Spezza was indeed the backup plan for Maple Leafs president Brendan Shanahan, you have to wonder just how big of a blow Spezza's resignation was to the organization this close to both the NHL Entry Draft and free agency.
I dunno if this tracks. I see Spezza as too level-headed to say “screw your GM position, I go where Dubas goes!” and then carries Kyle out of the ACC Kevin Costner-whitney Houston style.Rumor: The real reason Jason Spezza resigned from the Maple Leafs.
An NHL insider has a theory about the timing of Jason Spezza's sudden resignation.www.hockeyfeed.com
When the Toronto Maple Leafs made the decision to fire general manager Kyle Dubas earlier this month they were quickly informed that there would be consequences for going down that road.
Almost immediately following the decision to fire Dubas, beloved former National Hockey League forward Jason Spezza announced that he would be resigning from his position as special assistant to the general manager. Most believe that Spezza made the decision purely out of loyalty to Dubas, with whom he worked closely, but on Monday NHL insider Elliotte Friedman shared his own theory on the timing of Speeza's seemingly sudden resignation.
Friedman admitted that he likely will never get confirmation for his theory, but he suggested that Spezza's retirement may have been precipitated by an intriguing offer from the Maple Leafs.
"The timing of his resignation in Toronto has people wondering if he was initially the plan," said Friedman on the 32 Thoughts Podcast.
What Friedman meant here by 'the plan' was that Spezza would take over in lieu of Dubas as interim general manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs.
"The organizational plan to take over as interim general manager after Dubas left," said Friedman.
Again I must stress that this was only a theory, a point that Friedman made sure to get across.
"I don't know if we will ever get confirmation on that, but certainly that is one of the theories," said Friedman.
If Spezza was indeed the backup plan for Maple Leafs president Brendan Shanahan, you have to wonder just how big of a blow Spezza's resignation was to the organization this close to both the NHL Entry Draft and free agency.
Also, of all the names bandied about, Spezza would have the LEAST GM experience.
Plus up until that Wednesday, they thought they were extending Dubas. It’s not like it would have been much of a plan.
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Rumor: The real reason Jason Spezza resigned from the Maple Leafs.
An NHL insider has a theory about the timing of Jason Spezza's sudden resignation.
When the Toronto Maple Leafs made the decision to fire general manager Kyle Dubas earlier this month they were quickly informed that there would be consequences for going down that road.
Almost immediately following the decision to fire Dubas, beloved former National Hockey League forward Jason Spezza announced that he would be resigning from his position as special assistant to the general manager. Most believe that Spezza made the decision purely out of loyalty to Dubas, with whom he worked closely, but on Monday NHL insider Elliotte Friedman shared his own theory on the timing of Speeza's seemingly sudden resignation.
Friedman admitted that he likely will never get confirmation for his theory, but he suggested that Spezza's retirement may have been precipitated by an intriguing offer from the Maple Leafs.
"The timing of his resignation in Toronto has people wondering if he was initially the plan," said Friedman on the 32 Thoughts Podcast.
What Friedman meant here by 'the plan' was that Spezza would take over in lieu of Dubas as interim general manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs.
"The organizational plan to take over as interim general manager after Dubas left," said Friedman.
Again I must stress that this was only a theory, a point that Friedman made sure to get across.
"I don't know if we will ever get confirmation on that, but certainly that is one of the theories," said Friedman.
If Spezza was indeed the backup plan for Maple Leafs president Brendan Shanahan, you have to wonder just how big of a blow Spezza's resignation was to the organization this close to both the NHL Entry Draft and free agency.
Sounds like Friedman making stuff up just to get clicks. The explanation seems simple enough...he was hired by Dubas as a special assistant, and since Dubas was longer there, his job is automatically in jeopardy...rather than waiting for Shanahan to asks him to leave, he resigned.
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I think there would have been merit to a Spezza as GM theory one day, but not necessarily June 2023. You look at guys like Sakic, Yzerman, Verbeek, it took each of them quite a few years to get to GM. I could have seen that for Spezza one day but he was probably still at an internship level when he left.
Guy’s got a lot of money from his playing days. Maybe slogging it out wasn’t for him if the picture was uncertain.
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Waffles and myself got it right and you got it wrong. You stood behind a failed core and even worse, failed management group. It's over, there is no salvaging that and Waffles is right to say take the L. Take the high road instead of trying to tread the icy cold water of facts.
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