Confirmed with Link: Spezza tenders resignation - Update 6/14 Named Penguins AGM

[Dekes For Days]

Dubas and Shanny f***ed up if true
Ego issues with both
Dubas should have taken the 4M by 4-5 years
If the team regresses both those f***ers still made their money and got fame despite 5 failed years
The team and fan will suffer if the next GM sucks due to their egos.
Dubas though was only a middle tier GM when your not biased. He was improving after a disastrous first 2.5 years.
We can likely find a similar quality GM, just have a timeline to do so now with 34 and 88 contracts running out in a year and NMC coming in for 34 and 16

I do find it funny how people are villainizing Dubas based on a one-sided account of events, where he supposedly *gasp* took a couple days to talk with his family and asked for an earned compensation from his multi-billion dollar employer after they jerked him around for a year, that doesn't affect the Leaf's on-ice product in any way. Quite frankly, the whole money side of it is so ridiculous. Shanahan himself said that was irrelevant.

Which means it really has to be one of two things:
1. Shanahan got concerned because Dubas' counter-offer encroached on his President position.
2. Shanahan just randomly changed his mind for no meaningful reason days after deciding the exact opposite.

Both are major red flags.
Quite frankly, I don't know how the MLSE board still has trust in his decisions if he'll flip flop on them the next week.
Now we look like a clown show, we've lost a great GM that everybody in the organization (including the soon to be re-signing MVP of the team) loves, we're about to lose additional staff, and we're about to start a search to downgrade our GM (because close to everyone available is worse) at a critical moment for the future of our franchise.

Guess Shanny did not think signing Kyle was as critical a move as you claimed.

Yeah, he massively screwed up, and now we're in a much worse situation.

Not sure chances are high we move to a worse GM,

With who is available, it's close to guaranteed.

Shanny s’ flip flop was directly brought on by Dubas.

Shanahan's flip flop fail is entirely on Shanahan, and it spawned out of MLSE's prior failure to re-sign him at a proper time. They jerked him around for a year (for what purpose if they were prepared to re-sign him after the deadline anyway?) and then attempted to publicly villainize him for not instantly signing without family consultation, for MLSE's chosen amount and term and power - less than Dubas had earned and could get elsewhere - the second that MLSE started losing leverage.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Is there any basis to the idea that other front office people are also going to resign? Or is this all just speculation?

Speculation.

I do find it funny how people are villainizing Dubas based on a one-sided account of events, where he supposedly *gasp* took a couple days to talk with his family and asked for an earned compensation from his multi-billion dollar employer after they jerked him around for a year, that doesn't affect the Leaf's on-ice product in any way. Quite frankly, the whole money side of it is so ridiculous. Shanahan himself said that was irrelevant.

Which means it really has to be one of two things:
1. Shanahan got concerned because Dubas' counter-offer encroached on his President position.
2. Shanahan just randomly changed his mind for no meaningful reason days after deciding the exact opposite.

Both are major red flags.
Quite frankly, I don't know how the MLSE board still has trust in his decisions if he'll flip flop on them the next week.
Now we look like a clown show, we've lost a great GM that everybody in the organization (including the soon to be re-signing MVP of the team) loves, we're about to lose additional staff, and we're about to start a search to downgrade our GM (because close to everyone available is worse) at a critical moment for the future of our franchise.

Yeah, he massively screwed up, and now we're in a much worse situation.

With who is available, it's close to guaranteed.

Shanahan's flip flop fail is entirely on Shanahan, and it spawned out of MLSE's prior failure to re-sign him at a proper time. They jerked him around for a year (for what purpose if they were prepared to re-sign him after the deadline anyway?) and then attempted to publicly villainize him for not instantly signing without family consultation, for MLSE's chosen amount and term and power - less than Dubas had earned and could get elsewhere - the second that MLSE started losing leverage.

We should remember the story of the Chinese farmer.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Indeed, that makes it tougher to judge just how good he was, because he took over a 105 point team that we had every reason to believe would contine to improve.

Actually, there was every reason to believe it would get worse. We were already the highest spending team in the league (#1 in 2017-2018), and not only was our 105 points propped up by unsustainable Vezina-caliber backup goaltending and a very lucky shootout record, but our star players were about to shift from ELCs to actual contracts, decreasing cap space by tens of millions. We had immediately departing depth. We had multiple cap anchors. We had multiple players on the cusp of career-threatening injury or severe deterioration, including the starting goalie. We had a depleted prospect pool. And not that we knew it at the time, but we had an impending pandemic-induced multi-year flat cap about to hit right after all of our biggest signings.

People have really taken for granted how we were able to continue to improve so much. It certainly wasn't just a result of our core 3 RFAs being better (and less cap efficient).

 

[Donnie740]

Actually, there was every reason to believe it would get worse. We were already the highest spending team in the league (#1 in 2017-2018), and not only was our 105 points propped up by unsustainable Vezina-caliber backup goaltending and a very lucky shootout record, but our star players were about to shift from ELCs to actual contracts, decreasing cap space by tens of millions. We had immediately departing depth. We had multiple cap anchors. We had multiple players on the cusp of career-threatening injury or severe deterioration, including the starting goalie. We had a depleted prospect pool. And not that we knew it at the time, but we had an impending pandemic-induced multi-year flat cap about to hit right after all of our biggest signings.

People have really taken for granted how we were able to continue to improve so much. It certainly wasn't just a result of our core 3 RFAs being better (and less cap efficient).

Bottom line, my friend - - Dubas had half a decade to build a team that could only manage to win ONE (1) playoff series.

Aside from that, the salary cap is maxed out and a large number of future draft picks have been given away.

Doesn’t matter who the next GM is, they’ll easily exceed what little accomplishment Dubas achieved.

 

[Squiffy]

Casual fans and millennials new to following hockey don’t realize that once upon a time there was no such thing as overtime in the regular season, much less shootouts and getting handed a point even though you lost.

You likely don’t realize the huge impact that has on distorting team “records” for most points in a season.

Imagine a world where a puck in the crowd is a strong D play lol.. not a penalty. And a puck frozen on the boards in the D zone is a whistle to stop.

Not that either is a bad change.

 

[Arzak]

Meh loved him as a player here. As assistant for keeping it real or whatever title Dubas gave him I don't really care if he stays or goes.

Going to be lots of front office changes coming.

None of us really knows what his job was, but it should be an assistant for keeping it real !!!

Imagine Dubas over the spreadsheet while Spezza tells him: "Not bad Kyle, just try to keep it real!"

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

Speculation.


We should remember the story of the Chinese farmer.

Maybe.

 

[justashadowof]

The most normal thing in the world is getting a position based on a connection you have with someone at a company. It's also a normal thing to forge many more new connections with the existing people perhaps stronger than the original connection that got you the gig. Jason Spezza I guess wasn't there long enough to do that and remained tethered to Dubas. Also Spezza may have become Dubas' sounding board for Dubas' dealing with his boss, never a healthy thing.

I do think there are more than a few Dubas loyalists in the MLSE front office. They'd be dumb to throw away this primo gig without setting forth to prove their worth to the organization (and future organizations). I like to believe most are professional people who haven't forgotten who pays their way and plan to get right back to work on the work of the summer on Tuesday.

 

[capfit9]

Is there any basis to the idea that other front office people are also going to resign? Or is this all just speculation?

Career suicide IMHO

 

[capfit9]

I do find it funny how people are villainizing Dubas based on a one-sided account of events, where he supposedly *gasp* took a couple days to talk with his family and asked for an earned compensation from his multi-billion dollar employer after they jerked him around for a year, that doesn't affect the Leaf's on-ice product in any way. Quite frankly, the whole money side of it is so ridiculous. Shanahan himself said that was irrelevant.

Which means it really has to be one of two things:
1. Shanahan got concerned because Dubas' counter-offer encroached on his President position.
2. Shanahan just randomly changed his mind for no meaningful reason days after deciding the exact opposite.

Both are major red flags.
Quite frankly, I don't know how the MLSE board still has trust in his decisions if he'll flip flop on them the next week.
Now we look like a clown show, we've lost a great GM that everybody in the organization (including the soon to be re-signing MVP of the team) loves, we're about to lose additional staff, and we're about to start a search to downgrade our GM (because close to everyone available is worse) at a critical moment for the future of our franchise.

Yeah, he massively screwed up, and now we're in a much worse situation.

With who is available, it's close to guaranteed.

Shanahan's flip flop fail is entirely on Shanahan, and it spawned out of MLSE's prior failure to re-sign him at a proper time. They jerked him around for a year (for what purpose if they were prepared to re-sign him after the deadline anyway?) and then attempted to publicly villainize him for not instantly signing without family consultation, for MLSE's chosen amount and term and power - less than Dubas had earned and could get elsewhere - the second that MLSE started losing leverage.

Actually, there was every reason to believe it would get worse. We were already the highest spending team in the league (#1 in 2017-2018), and not only was our 105 points propped up by unsustainable Vezina-caliber backup goaltending and a very lucky shootout record, but our star players were about to shift from ELCs to actual contracts, decreasing cap space by tens of millions. We had immediately departing depth. We had multiple cap anchors. We had multiple players on the cusp of career-threatening injury or severe deterioration, including the starting goalie. We had a depleted prospect pool. And not that we knew it at the time, but we had an impending pandemic-induced multi-year flat cap about to hit right after all of our biggest signings.

People have really taken for granted how we were able to continue to improve so much. It certainly wasn't just a result of our core 3 RFAs being better (and less cap efficient).

 

[The don godfather]

Where there is a earthquake there is always aftershocks usually many of them.

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

Career suicide IMHO

If there are, it’s all starting to sound a bit cultish to me.

If that’s the case, then a purge whether voluntary or involuntary might be required.

 

[thewave]

Cool, great to know he was here for Dubas and not the Leafs.

See ya.

 

[Havoc]

This is so embarrassing. There's too many chefs in the kitchen (all employees in total, we spend way too much). Our management team is literally HFBoards where everyone has the same goal but segregate into little clans that go to war everyday.

Now it seems there's a Shanny army versus dubas army going on.

I'm personally Shanny army. Zero results GM doesn't give you much to work with. The intern this thread is for isn't even qualified enough to be a good GMs intern lol. Fitting that he's Dubas' pet. Not really a casualty we need to worry about.

 

[Niagara Bill]

"It's either me or Mark"

Ok Kyle, it's you.

"It's either me or Lou"

Ok Kyle It's you

"It's either you or me Shanny"

Ok Kyle, it's not you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out, and take your talking chimp (who talked his way into your circle with never leading or winning anything in his life) with you.
Oh BTW, your best bud coach didn't fall on his sword. Hmmmm

 

[BallardEra]

This is so embarrassing. There's too many chefs in the kitchen (all employees in total, we spend way too much). Our management team is literally HFBoards where everyone has the same goal but segregate into little clans that go to war everyday.

Now it seems there's a Shanny army versus dubas army going on.

I'm personally Shanny army. Zero results GM doesn't give you much to work with. The intern this thread is for isn't even qualified enough to be a good GMs intern lol. Fitting that he's Dubas' pet. Not really a casualty we need to worry about.

Shanahan needs to go too.

 

[justashadowof]

If there are, it’s all starting to sound a bit cultish to me.

If that’s the case, then a purge whether voluntary or involuntary might be required.

A loyalty resignation is easiest departure in the world to take. He chose an individual over the organization. As Shanahan said a long time ago, he only wants people around who want to be here. That sentiment should be amended: he only wants people around who want to be here under the terms and conditions of the House.

 

[New User Name]

Though I didn't like some of the moves Dubas made and with the rumours coming out now about how Shanahan nixed other moves Kyle wanted it begs the question did Shanahan approve all the others?

This is just a depressing, embarrassing clusterf*** that seems to be the norm for this franchise for decades.

 

[shortfuze]

Hasn't he been President for 9 years now?

Coles Notes of his tenure:

Fired Carlyle
Hired Horacheck
Fired Non-issue
Fired all coaching staff
Hired Babcock
Hired Lou

Lou left
Promoted Dubas
Fired Babcock
Hired Keefe


Sounds like he's Fired a few bullets.
How many bullets do executives normally have before they get canned themselves?

Well it took Lou lamoriello almost 10 years to win his first cup as president of the devils. You can have good people in charge but sometimes it takes time.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Spezza hasn't said why he resigned.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Spezza has said why he resigned.

During game they said Spezza hasn’t spoken. So could you provide link to what he said.

 

[Leaf Fans]

During game they said Spezza hasn’t spoken. So could you provide link to what he said.

No, but I can provide a correction to my post by editing it from has to hasn't.

 

[ToneDog]

Well it took Lou lamoriello almost 10 years to win his first cup as president of the devils. You can have good people in charge but sometimes it takes time.

An NHL great once called them a "mickey mouse" organization.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Actually, there was every reason to believe it would get worse. We were already the highest spending team in the league (#1 in 2017-2018), and not only was our 105 points propped up by unsustainable Vezina-caliber backup goaltending and a very lucky shootout record, but our star players were about to shift from ELCs to actual contracts, decreasing cap space by tens of millions. We had immediately departing depth. We had multiple cap anchors. We had multiple players on the cusp of career-threatening injury or severe deterioration, including the starting goalie. We had a depleted prospect pool. And not that we knew it at the time, but we had an impending pandemic-induced multi-year flat cap about to hit right after all of our biggest signings.

People have really taken for granted how we were able to continue to improve so much. It certainly wasn't just a result of our core 3 RFAs being better (and less cap efficient).

Pittsburgh didn't "regress" when their star players got post elc contracts. Chicago didn't "regress" when their star players got post elc contracts.

All the rest of the above excuses are absolutely insane.

Enough of these bullshit excuses. ENOUGH of them.

 

[Budz]

I personally believe Kyle has a deal or verbal promise of something else work wise.

That is why he asked for the moon, now seeing this, I think Spezza is going with him.

My bet is Ottawa.