Dreger: Speculation that Panarin asking price is just over $12 million a season

[awegrzyn]

Major recession right on the horizon. Any GM paying so much money for a star is a fool. In 2 years some of these clubs will go belly up, and a lockout is inevitable.

The increase in CAP/Salaries is unsustainable. If I'm a smart GM I am building 2 second lines for that money. Spread the risk among 6 players. If Colorado can make PlayOffs with so little money, so can anyone.

 

[BlueSeal]

Sharks should have gave him EK's contract instead.

 

[BlueSeal]

Major recession right on the horizon. Any GM paying so much money for a star is a fool. In 2 years some of these clubs will go belly up, and a lockout is inevitable.

The increase in CAP/Salaries is unsustainable. If I'm a smart GM I am building 2 second lines for that money. Spread the risk among 6 players. If Colorado can make PlayOffs with so little money, so can anyone.

Blues seem to have the blueprint for it, spending-wise. They brought home the Cup with that blueprint.

 

[DearDiary]

I know he needs to get paid and earn as much as he can in his short career in pro sports... but don't athletes see that they handcuff their teams with giant, cap-devouring contracts like this? Wouldn't he prefer $9 million and give his new team more money to spend surrounding him with a decent team? I guess I'm just naive. If he wants $12m, then I hope the Rangers are backing away.

If he takes a paycut to 9 mill, what do you think will happen with the 3 mill? It will be used to overpay another player who won't take a pay cut

 

[awegrzyn]

Blues seem to have the blueprint for it, spending-wise. They brought home the Cup with that blueprint.

Maybe. 20 mil less than Vegas.

 

[Isles72]

not surprised by this at all ; maybe he bends a bit if they come in as a pkg deal of sorts (bread and bob).

does fla have the desire to pay bonus up front akin to the tavares deal ? I've been wondering if isles could have a leg up on that but have no idea what tallons budget looks like from a bonus pov nor lou's for that matter

 

[sd1976]

Tavares never got past the 2nd round, and only contributes offensively. How much did he get?

Warriors won 3 championships in 4 years. Not a bad way to build a team.

Tavares doesn’t only contribute offensively.

 

[CupInSIX]

Maybe. 20 mil less than Vegas.

Kind of hard for them to get homegrown prospects onto the big club like Dunn, Blais etc when they only started drafting in 2017.

The youth movement is coming though.

 

[that is unfortunate]

Should ask for 50 if Skinner is making 9

 

[neXis]

I don't know if he's worth 12, and more than McDavid, but he should similar to what Matthews got.

 

[Blueboy]

Should ask for 50 if Skinner is making 9

Agreed

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

As a UFA he just might get that.

Staggering.

 

[doublechili]

Tavares doesn’t only contribute offensively.

We're talking about contributing to your own team. Helping the other team doesn't count.

 

[crackdown44]

Major recession right on the horizon. Any GM paying so much money for a star is a fool. In 2 years some of these clubs will go belly up, and a lockout is inevitable.

The increase in CAP/Salaries is unsustainable. If I'm a smart GM I am building 2 second lines for that money. Spread the risk among 6 players. If Colorado can make PlayOffs with so little money, so can anyone.

Yeah but Mackinnon and Rantanen are stars. Mack’s contract is a steal and Rantanen is about to get close to 10mil. It’s not like they have two second lines. Landeskog is about to get a huge raise in a couple years too

 

[pb1300]

not surprised by this at all ; maybe he bends a bit if they come in as a pkg deal of sorts (bread and bob).

does fla have the desire to pay bonus up front akin to the tavares deal ? I've been wondering if isles could have a leg up on that but have no idea what tallons budget looks like from a bonus pov nor lou's for that matter

Yes, signing bonuses are at Tallon's disposal. Tallon has all options available.

This was a tweet from yesterday, regarding Panarin and Bobrovsky:

I don't know if he's worth 12, and more than McDavid, but he should similar to what Matthews got.

McDavid was offered a contract that was nearly 17% of the cap, Panarin would be 13-14% of the cap.

 

[txpd]

Starting high and negotiating to find middle ground is typical. I’m guessing he and whatever team he goes to meet around the $9-10 million AAV range. AAV of $10 million would be pretty fair considering what Skinner got.

Everyone knows it’s going to be Florida.

While true, IIRC, EKarlsson signed for about what was reported that he and Doughty were expecting to get. So, $9m aint happening. Not close

 

[Sasso09]

Tavares doesn’t only contribute offensively.

He does. Defensively he's really lacking

 

[Chardo]

Very very unlikely to happen but Panarin and Hughes on the same line makes me think screw the high cap hit and overpayment , make it happen !! Anyone confirm that Panarin / his agents talked to or visited Shero / NJ ?
Might cripple the team moving forward but would be awesome to watch him and Hughes play together .

Think Panarin and Barzal might be awesome?

 

[Chardo]

Yep. I see Panarin as a Robin. Not a Batman on a championship type team. Paying guys more than they're worth is the way into cap hell.

The way into cap hell is paying ordinary players more than they're worth.

 

[AK87]

Starting high and negotiating to find middle ground is typical. I’m guessing he and whatever team he goes to meet around the $9-10 million AAV range. AAV of $10 million would be pretty fair considering what Skinner got.

Everyone knows it’s going to be Florida.

I don't think Florida, its going to be COL or NYI. Florida will prioritize getting Bob

 

[saintunspecified]

The way into cap hell is paying ordinary players more than they're worth.

This. Considering the league's structure, 12M right now is 2M would place him at about 2M overpaid right now. For perspective, Leo Komorov is making 3M and is also 2M overpaid. Cal Clutterbuck at 3.5 over the next 3 years is 2M overpaid (of course I expect a lot of that cap to go on IR). I can go on.

As for frontloading - my worry about that is cap-recapture if Panarin decides to retire from the NHL to go back to Russia towards the end of his deal - especially with the incentive created by the front-loaded deal. It's okay to pay it out in a bonus, but varying the AAV too much has consequences, as LL should well know.

 

[bernmeister]

yes i get that its all start high and then casually lower but dang

He has a right to take the best overall deal for him that he can get. Max $ is part of that. Teams have the right to not gut themselves in a hard cap league to accommodate.

Translation: there are factors other than only $.
Breadman will want, and get close to 'top' $, whatever that is.
My preference is less $, longer term, but if he is gonna stay close to 12, my offer would be $35 3 yrs and of course no NMC, generous ntc instead. Expect to keep for all 3 yrs, but NY for its $ would have option to trade as a rental + prior to the expansion draft or during last season as a rental, presumably retaining, and getting swag for it. Handshake deal he works with us, we work with him, if a new deal after this not forthcoming and we trade him, we try to accommodate his preference as to relocation if they make decent offer.

But no to full 12m long term and complete player control.
No player save McDavid and maybe 1 or 2 others worth that, and even then it is too much of a bad example to set.

 

[Brooklyndevil]

He won’t get that in Florida. I suspect both he and Bob will get around 9-10 each.

Shero is just kicking the tires or sending Hall a message or possibly covering himself if he believes Hall may not resign and has to move him. No way do I believe he would sign both. Just my opinion.

 

[Curufinwe]

Major recession right on the horizon. Any GM paying so much money for a star is a fool. In 2 years some of these clubs will go belly up, and a lockout is inevitable.

No they won't, and no it isn't.

 

[Curufinwe]

This. Considering the league's structure, 12M right now is 2M would place him at about 2M overpaid right now. For perspective, Leo Komorov is making 3M and is also 2M overpaid. Cal Clutterbuck at 3.5 over the next 3 years is 2M overpaid (of course I expect a lot of that cap to go on IR). I can go on.

As for frontloading - my worry about that is cap-recapture if Panarin decides to retire from the NHL to go back to Russia towards the end of his deal - especially with the incentive created by the front-loaded deal. It's okay to pay it out in a bonus, but varying the AAV too much has consequences, as LL should well know.

Deals signed after the 2013 CBA can't have cap recapture, or vary the AAV by more than the specified limits.