Speculation: Speculation, rumours and trade & free agency ideas thread

[HellebuyckOurSaviour]

I feel like NJ would be a good trade partner for us.

To NJ - Helle, 8OA, Perfetti

To Wpg - Markstrom (25% retained for both remaining years), Bratt, Mercer, 2nd Rd pick 35OA

 

[Ace]

Draft is in Buffalo.

I could see them taking Bjorck with 4. Maybe trading 20.

Buffalo is not in a great place.

Their top C is Norris, Thompson is better as a winger. Norris is made of glass. Kulich injury was serious. Ostlund might end up a winger.

As is without Tuch their top 9 is

Benson-Norris-Thompson
Zucker-McLeod-Quinn
Ostlund-Helenius-Doan

Kulich, Ostlund and Helenius are all still waivers exempt so it"s possible the weakest of the 3 starts in Rochester until Norris gets hurt.

Sabres probably feel internally they need to improve at C after these playoffs, but like the Jets NTC works against them.

As a Sabres fan I can confirm every word of this is true.

I don’t think we can afford to move 4 or Helenius for these reasons.

 

[flin flon bombers]

I thought Rosen was fine, sure he didn't produce but look he spent most of his time playing with and he was still adapting to a different team. The kid just turned 23, let us give him some time, I would still take him over keeping Stan for example any day of the week and we got a pick on top of it.

I was pointing out how people were commenting that jarmo wasn't keen on answering his phone because chevy took him on that trade,it was a very close trade not a home run by any means,regardless of who rosen was playing with I didn't think his play had any wow factor, he looked like a lot of our bottom 6,nothing special, can he become a player?time will tell. But at 23 he isn't that now.

 

[flin flon bombers]

Draft is in Buffalo.

I could see them taking Bjorck with 4. Maybe trading 20.

Buffalo is not in a great place.

Their top C is Norris, Thompson is better as a winger. Norris is made of glass. Kulich injury was serious. Ostlund might end up a winger.

As is without Tuch their top 9 is

Benson-Norris-Thompson
Zucker-McLeod-Quinn
Ostlund-Helenius-Doan

Kulich, Ostlund and Helenius are all still waivers exempt so it"s possible the weakest of the 3 starts in Rochester until Norris gets hurt.

Sabres probably feel internally they need to improve at C after these playoffs, but like the Jets NTC works against them.

With the draft in Buffalo e 40a is crack for the home crowd,as for drafting bjork I can't see it after Buffalo saying they want more size having a lot of small forwards with tuch and Greenway gone,

 

[CanMerc]

So…Bowen Byram, Jordan Greenway to CHI for 4OA, #45, and Louis Crevier…and CHI extended Byram 7yrs x 12.5m…WTAF

Was yesterday NHL Summer Trade Day

 

[Flair Hay]

So…Bowen Byram, Jordan Greenway to CHI for 4OA, #45, and Louis Crevier…and CHI extended Byram 7yrs x 12.5m…WTAF

So exactly like Seth Jones deal all over again. Thats nuts.

 

[CanMerc]

Only thing missing from yesterdays chaos was Hellebuyck for Lundell, #40, and Loustarinen

 

[KingBogo]

I really hope UPL lets them down next season, I will laugh my ass off just like I did at the Devils when they refused to cough up the coin for Helle.

Imagine not wanting Hellebuyck when you have more than enough assets to cover a trade without skipping a beat not to mention exiting your rebuild after 50 decades of darkness instead of drafting more young talent that is not NHL ready, f***ing stupidity.

That is one of the reasons a rebuild in Winnipeg scares me. If it goes on forever which it very well might in an even more undesirable location than Buffalo, things start to get distorted. Eventually fans and even the organization start to see the entry draft as their Stanley cup and the regular season is merely for placing. You get caught up in an endless tank and draft cycle even when you no longer need the young players coming in so you just cycle them out and keep drafting. Buffalo needs their management to break that cycle now, but not sure they will. Trading for Helly would be a clean break from their past.

 

[CanMerc]

Honestly, if Kulich’s blood clot issue is a recurring condition, BUF can’t afford to move a young C like Helenius.
Norris is made of thin glass and with Kulich clot issue(?), they are down to Helenius and Östlund.
This trade with CHI might be a hope to snag Malhotra on their part to shore up the C.
I’d say, unless Chevy lowers or alters his ask, Buffalo is likely out on Hellebuyck

 

[10Ducky10]

People don't want Norris because he is always hurt but are clamoring for Dach.

Norris 47.2 games a season.
Dach 43.7 games a season.

 

[CanMerc]

People don't want Norris because he is always hurt but are clamoring for Dach.

Norris 47.2 games a season.
Dach 43.7 games a season.

Right….lol

 

[KingBogo]

People don't want Norris because he is always hurt but are clamoring for Dach.

Norris 47.2 games a season.
Dach 43.7 games a season.

I’m not sure anyone is really clamouring for either. I think the difference is Norris would be the center piece of a Helly trade while Dach would be a relatively cheap acquisition.

 

[KingBogo]

Honestly, if Kulich’s blood clot issue is a recurring condition, BUF can’t afford to move a young C like Helenius.
Norris is made of thin glass and with Kulich clot issue(?), they are down to Helenius and Östlund.
This trade with CHI might be a hope to snag Malhotra on their part to shore up the C.
I’d say, unless Chevy lowers or alters his ask, Buffalo is likely out on Hellebuyck

Except we really don’t know what Chevy’s ask is in terms of actual players just #2 center and top 4 defensemen. Technically neither of Helenius or Östlund fit that description at the point in time.

 

[CanMerc]

Except we really don’t know what Chevy’s ask is in terms of actual players just #2 center and top 4 defensemen. Technically neither of Helenius or Östlund fit that description at the point in time.

Currently, no but projected, maybe…but I see your point…irregardless of their value or projected level, I don’t see how BUF can afford to move them now…and they are the only C’s in BUF who could be considered

 

[CanMerc]

The only way I’d be interested in 4OA for Hellebuyck is if we knew Malhotra would be available…that 2C is still our biggest need…so unless Chevy could hammer out a trade for a 2C somewhere else, I see no reason to just keep treading water at C

 

[Gil Fisher]

Not at all, 4OA means we can get Carels, that would be huge for us. But honestly I would still want one more piece from BUF.

A. Wash.

Personally, I wouldn't give up anything of real value to move from 8 to 4.

 

[KingBogo]

Currently, no but projected, maybe…but I see your point…irregardless of their value or projected level, I don’t see how BUF can afford to move them now

Buffalo also has Thompson and McLeod on top of Norris. Based on health 2 of those 3 will be playing center for them in their top 6 next season. The young players we are throwing around as still magic beans. Lots of potential but not a #2 center at this time. #4 has now become their biggest trade chip anyway.

 

[CanMerc]

Buffalo also has Thompson and McLeod on top of Norris. Based on health 2 of those 3 will be playing center for them in their top 6 next season. The young players we are throwing around as still magic beans. Lots of potential but not a #2 center at this time. #4 has now become their biggest trade chip anyway.

That argument can be said of any prospect before he hits the ice or proves himself for whatever number of years you deem fit…McKenna is unproven so what’s his actual value Or projection…how about Reid…everyone here is drooling over Carels, but what’s he actually proven in the league yet…nothing.
None of the players we are talking about are generational or franchise level..they are good and will fill the needs, but expecting them to be superstars already is unrealistic.
The point is to get a bridge 2C…one that can play with our current core and then still play with the next one.
I think Helenius might be a tad young and/or inexperienced for what we need, I prefer Lundell, but ultimately you take who you can get

 

[macmaroon]

I find it kind of ironic that even Winnipeg Jets players have certain teams they don't want to go to...

 

[KingBogo]

I find it kind of ironic that even Winnipeg Jets players have certain teams they don't want to go to...

If it is your opportunity to go where you choose, most I’m guessing would prefer it not to be the 2nd most shittiest place.

 

[CanMerc]

I find it kind of ironic that even Winnipeg Jets players have certain teams they don't want to go to...

I think everyone does and would…personally, I’d never play for Toronto or Vegas…zero interest in living in either of those cities, dealing with their fans, or wearing their logo…I could likely add a few more for personal reasons but it wouldn’t be deal breaker level

 

[KingBogo]

That argument can be said of any prospect before he hits the ice or proves himself for whatever number of years you deem fit…McKenna is unproven so what’s his actual value Or projection…how about Reid…everyone here is drooling over Carels, but what’s he actually proven in the league yet…nothing.
None of the players we are talking about are generational or franchise level..they are good and will fill the needs, but expecting them to be superstars already is unrealistic.
The point is to get a bridge 2C…one that can play with our current core and then still play with the next one.
I think Helenius might be a tad young and/or inexperienced for what we need, I prefer Lundell, but ultimately you take who you can get

I’m not sure if I’m following your point. But if Buffalo is going to go all in with 33 y/o Helly I would think their preferred players to move would be the younger less proven players and hold onto their current top 6 players. And getting back to my original point they already are deep at center without players like Helenius.

 

[CanMerc]

I’m not sure if I’m following your point. But if Buffalo is going to go all in with 33 y/o Helly I would think their preferred players to move would be the younger less proven players and hold onto their current top 6 players. And getting back to my original point they already are deep at center without players like Helenius.

Norris is constantly injured and Thompson I think they’d prefer on the wing, especially if Tuch is gone, that leaves McLeod…they need at least one more top 6 C..so that’s Helenius or Ostlund…I think Helenius is the heir apparent.
There’s also the fact Buffalo is very much like WPG…not high on preferred location lists and likely on many NTc lists, so trading youth is not a good idea.

With what they have and the age of their core, Your argument works for FLA and Lundell.
They can afford to give him up and they wouldn’t have any problems replacing him now or in the future

 

[CanMerc]

deletw

 

[Flair Hay]

I’m not sure anyone is really clamouring for either. I think the difference is Norris would be the center piece of a Helly trade while Dach would be a relatively cheap acquisition.

No doubt. Back when we were talking Dach as a potential return in the PLD saga, I said no way.

Dach as a possible reclamation that Montreal might not want to qualify that we could? For a 2nd/3rd round pick? Now that is the right kind of move.

Players can be crazy injury prone until they aren't!