Speculation: Speculation, rumours and trade & free agency ideas thread

[flin flon bombers]

I think that if we want Lundell AND 9, we have to add

What is Stevie Y's ask for Larkin? Getting Detroit involved as a 3rd party opens up some possibilities

To FLA: Helle Larkin
To us: 9th, Lundell, Bear
To DET: Samoskevich, Samberg, Perfetti

Values don't seem quite right anywhere lol

Listening to Yzerman bear is going nowhere, he mentioned he wanted a few more with his grit and determination and not a stranger to a hard back check,Samberg and perfetti wouldn't be something they would trade him for,but stranger things have happened

 

[Bob E]

Yeah plus not many of his team USA buddies there. I still think Florida is his #1 preferred destination.

the big question will be if we can pry #9 and Lundell from them. They'd be much more keen to part ways with Lundell if they can get Larkin. But how do they get Larkin without including #9 or Lundell or both?

Ya, I've been thinking about that too.

Perhaps something like:

To: Winnipeg

- C Anton Lundell (young, signed long-term - no trade protection)
- C/LW Eetu Luostarinen (Barron replacement, pending UFA at end of next season - no trade protection)
- LD Niko Mikkola (signed long-term - no trade protection)
- 2026 2nd Rd pick (Florida's) (replaces traded 2nd rd pick for Schenn)

To: Florida

- G Connor Hellebuyck
- C/LW Morgan Barron (will he resign?)
- W Brad Lambert or Isak Rosen

Then,

To: Florida

- C Dylan Larkin

To: Detroit
- RW Mackie Samoskevich (former Michigan Wolverine star)
- C/LW Morgan Barron (adds another C to their roster)
- W Brad Lambert or Isak Rosen
- 2026 1st Rd pick (#9) (replaces their traded pick - and they might be able to draft Bjorck with it)

Florida comes away with Hellebuyck and Larkin - adding $17.2M in cap space. But they move $13M and whatever Samoskevich's deal would be. Perhaps close to a wash $ wise.

Not sure if that gets it done, but for the Jets Lundell is the key. For Detroit, you'd have to hope the best return they are getting for Larkin is #9OA and Samoskevich.

With all the moving pieces, with 2026 picks involved, something like this would be pretty hard to pull off within a week, assuming the teams actually like these moves.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Lundell + 9 would be the dream but I would be shocked if Florida gave that up - maybe if we include a guy like Barron for their 3c hole but idk

Fla is not just a contender but a TOP contender if they had a goalie. They really, really badly need a goalie. They need a competent starter and they need a backup. They have nothing right now. But it doesn't have to be Helle. They don't NEED the best goalie in the world with their roster. OTOH though, of course they want the best goalie they can get and that means Helle.

9 + 40 and maybe also 48 Is, in my opinion good value for Helle. But we want Lundell. Maybe we won't do it without him. So a negotiation takes place. We insist on Lundell so they demand something else in exchange. We add Barron and drop 1 of the 2nds. Or however it goes. Personally, I would not insist on Lundell but I would sure try hard to have him included if possible.

 

[Gm0ney]

I would caution people’s expectations, seeing some huge returns being discussed. I think Helle will get a good return more then some on the mains think, but I don’t think it’s massive return just for Helle straight up. IMO, I’m keeping my expectations a bit reserved until I see actual return. Obviously if Jets add to Helle the return goes up.

Do the main boards realize he has the Medal of Freedom? He's an American hero, in this their Semiquincentennial?

 

[snowkiddin]

I just cannot wrap my head around how people let their politics affect their entire lives. That's directed to people on both sides, since it happens

IDGAF what my goalie's views are, as long as he stops the goddamn puck

I wish we could go back to a time where ploitical views and religion weren't discussed in polite society

Okay but that was also the time where sex before marriage was immoral, gotta be careful what you wish for

 

[Buffdog]

Yeah so then it comes down to why does Detroit do this when they also want a C which neither Perfetti, Samoskevich or Samberg fill. Sure they get good value but they want a C just as much as we do.

I mean everyone wants a C lol

But with the constraints that Larkin has put Yzerman under, is that even a possibility?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I can’t see them wanting Barron over a young kid like Lambert…they can play Lambert in the 3C hole and hope he progresses enough to be 2C or the the very least a top 6 W

Your opinion of Lambert is light years higher than mine. And your opinion of Barron may be lower than mine. I just think of Barron as replacing Lundell at 3C. His size, speed, physicality and scoring ability (a lot less than Lundell but still not bad) would look very good on their roster to me.

That said, I would give them both Lambert and Barron to get this done. Easily.

 

[Finnflash]

So ...... trades won't happen on Tuesday for the foreseeable future?

There is always a chance.

 

[Daximus]

I mean everyone wants a C lol

But with the constraints that Larkin has put Yzerman under, is that even a possibility?

If Florida is wanting him then it's definitely a possibility.

 

[Daximus]

Ya, I've been thinking about that too.

Perhaps something like:

To: Winnipeg

- C Anton Lundell (young, signed long-term - no trade protection)
- C/LW Eetu Luostarinen (Barron replacement, pending UFA at end of next season - no trade protection)
- LD Niko Mikkola (signed long-term - no trade protection)
- 2026 2nd Rd pick (Florida's) (replaces traded 2nd rd pick for Schenn)

To: Florida

- G Connor Hellebuyck
- C/LW Morgan Barron (will he resign?)
- W Brad Lambert or Isak Rosen

Then,

To: Florida

- C Dylan Larkin

To: Detroit
- RW Mackie Samoskevich (former Michigan Wolverine star)
- C/LW Morgan Barron (adds another C to their roster)
- W Brad Lambert or Isak Rosen
- 2026 1st Rd pick (#9) (replaces their traded pick - and they might be able to draft Bjorck with it)

Florida comes away with Hellebuyck and Larkin - adding $17.2M in cap space. But they move $13M and whatever Samoskevich's deal would be. Perhaps close to a wash $ wise.

Not sure if that gets it done, but for the Jets Lundell is the key. For Detroit, you'd have to hope the best return they are getting for Larkin is #9OA and Samoskevich.

With all the moving pieces, with 2026 picks involved, something like this would be pretty hard to pull off within a week, assuming the teams actually like these moves.

It kind of ends up being Detroit gets some good pieces but not what they want. Florida comes away happy and Winnipeg comes away with some solid pieces but still needs a goalie if they plan on competing which this move signifies.


I just don't think there is a 3 team move that can have everyone coming away happy here. Someone is losing and it's the team that doesn't get Lundell which is the piece they both want.

 

[tbcwpg]

Ya, I've been thinking about that too.

Perhaps something like:

To: Winnipeg

- C Anton Lundell (young, signed long-term - no trade protection)
- C/LW Eetu Luostarinen (Barron replacement, pending UFA at end of next season - no trade protection)
- LD Niko Mikkola (signed long-term - no trade protection)
- 2026 2nd Rd pick (Florida's) (replaces traded 2nd rd pick for Schenn)

To: Florida

- G Connor Hellebuyck
- C/LW Morgan Barron (will he resign?)
- W Brad Lambert or Isak Rosen

Then,

To: Florida

- C Dylan Larkin

To: Detroit
- RW Mackie Samoskevich (former Michigan Wolverine star)
- C/LW Morgan Barron (adds another C to their roster)
- W Brad Lambert or Isak Rosen
- 2026 1st Rd pick (#9) (replaces their traded pick - and they might be able to draft Bjorck with it)

Florida comes away with Hellebuyck and Larkin - adding $17.2M in cap space. But they move $13M and whatever Samoskevich's deal would be. Perhaps close to a wash $ wise.

Not sure if that gets it done, but for the Jets Lundell is the key. For Detroit, you'd have to hope the best return they are getting for Larkin is #9OA and Samoskevich.

With all the moving pieces, with 2026 picks involved, something like this would be pretty hard to pull off within a week, assuming the teams actually like these moves.

Here's the problem with this idea, and I do like the creativity. Florida is losing 3 top 9 forwards, and a top 4 D, and coming away with only one forward and another goalie. The team depth is gutted. Their prospect pool isn't very deep. They have no cap space to make the team better. They're selling out for two superstars and hoping that does it. Not sure it makes sense to give all that up.

Plus, the trade rules in place now to prevent multiple teams retaining on a deal mean you can't trade a player for I believe it's 75 days after he's been first traded.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I’d say you are wrong on both accounts… Barron should be our 3C right now and Lambert would 100% be claimed

I think Barron should have been tried at 2C.
Saying that Lambert would pass through waivers is a bit of hyperbole, I think. But his trade value is low, a throw in.

 

[Daximus]

I think the reality of the matter is both us and Detroit want Lundell. So it comes down to what Florida wants more Hellebuyck or Larkin.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Get us Lundell or Helenius and it’s a win…then we can spend the offseason looking for goalie(s)

With Fla it is 9 + Lundell.
With Buffalo it is Helenius plus ???

 

[KingBogo]

With Fla it is 9 + Lundell.
With Buffalo it is Helenius plus ???

With Buffalo you add recently acquired #20, Krebs and Lyons on top of Helenius. I don’t think you can ever get Lundell added to #9 with Florida.

 

[Daximus]

With Fla it is 9 + Lundell.
With Buffalo it is Helenius plus ???

With Buffalo I'd go for Helenius, 20th overall, Devon Levi and another prospect likely Anton Wahlberg.

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

With Buffalo I'd go for Helenius, 20th overall, Devon Levi and another prospect likely Anton Wahlberg.

adding #20 would help with the calculus of somehow getting the Rucks!

 

[CorgisPer60]

I would prefer Anton Lundell and 9th overall, but the Buffalo package would be very compelling.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yeah, I don’t see FLA wanting Barron because he is what he is…a 3rd line C…but Lambert has the potential to become a top 6 player and that’s more what they would be looking for as Lindell is their future 2C…
Helle + Lambert + for #9 + Lundell
They can have Helle + Yager + if that gets us Lundell

Jets fans see more in Lambert than what any NHL exec is likely to see in him, IMO. He has demonstrated that he doesn't score much in the AHL.

I would also do Yager though. Right now, we need Yager. We need him to succeed. That changes if we have Lundell though. I would do Yager + Barron and I would throw in Lambert in any deal we make with anyone for any return. But I'm not very high on Lambert.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Lowry's season was hampered by injury. But yeah, Barron probably should've been 3C last year. Not sure about next year...depends on Lowry.

If the Jets waived Lambert and he gets picked up, that other team has to have a spot for him in the NHL or the Jets just reclaim him when they waive him. And I just am having trouble picturing a team that has a spot for Brad Lambert in their lineup.

Maybe no contender has that spot, but there must be some weak teams that would give him a shot.

 

[Daximus]

adding #20 would help with the calculus of somehow getting the Rucks!

Not sure how we get another pick. But it might have to be higher than Washington's at 16.

 

[Daximus]

Maybe no contender has that spot, but there must be some weak teams that would give him a shot.

Chicago or Calgary would probably claim him.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

With Buffalo you add recently acquired #20, Krebs and Lyons on top of Helenius. I don’t think you can ever get Lundell added to #9 with Florida.

I never thought we could get Lundell and 9. But I never thought of including Barron. I might be overrating him but I see him as a difference maker in that deal.

I could go for that Buffalo package. I think I would rather have UPL than Lyons though.

 

[Jets 31]

If Chevy doesn't get exactly what he wants you don't trade Helly then . These players now in days just kill me, give me millions or I'm outa here. Ok i know you gave me millions but i only want to play for a team that can win the Cup. It's actually quite comical when you think about it, it's a SNL skit .

 

[Buffdog]

I think the reality of the matter is both us and Detroit want Lundell. So it comes down to what Florida wants more Hellebuyck or Larkin.

With Larkin, FLA would be getting an upgrade on offense but a downgrade on defense and still have no goalie

It's not like the difference between Lundell and Larkin is what would be holding them back from another cup

If Lundell was on the table for a Larkin trade, I have a feeling it would have already been done