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[tbcwpg]

With Larkin, FLA would be getting an upgrade on offense but a downgrade on defense and still have no goalie

It's not like the difference between Lundell and Larkin is what would be holding them back from another cup

If Lundell was on the table for a Larkin trade, I have a feeling it would have already been done

I think they'd rather keep Lundell and get a cheaper goalie, myself. The roster is pretty good they just had some bad injuries and little rest over the 3 prior years. They need a goalie, sure, but I don't think they need Hellebuyck so badly as to trade Lundell in a deal for him. Could be wrong, that's just my feeling.

 

[Bob E]

It kind of ends up being Detroit gets some good pieces but not what they want. Florida comes away happy and Winnipeg comes away with some solid pieces but still needs a goalie if they plan on competing which this move signifies.


I just don't think there is a 3 team move that can have everyone coming away happy here. Someone is losing and it's the team that doesn't get Lundell which is the piece they both want.

I don't think there's a way either team (Jets or Wings) gets both Lundell and #9OA. So you get one or the other.

My premise is if Bjorck is still there at #9, which is quite possible, then Detroit might want to acquire that pick from Florida to select him and pair him with Raymond as they have chemistry from the Worlds. Then the other pieces of Samoskevich and others helps fill in the value gaps. If Bjorck is gone by then, then Wings likely wouldn't value that pick as much.

The Jets can forgo the 9OA pick for a 2nd rd pick (Florida has 2), if they get Lundell.

But i agree, it would be very hard for those three teams to do a deal that all three are happy with.

 

[Bob E]

I think they'd rather keep Lundell and get a cheaper goalie, myself. The roster is pretty good they just had some bad injuries and little rest over the 3 prior years. They need a goalie, sure, but I don't think they need Hellebuyck so badly as to trade Lundell in a deal for him. Could be wrong, that's just my feeling.

I think they would prioritize Helle if he is available as he is signed for 5 more years at a lower cap hit than Bob the last few years. USA Olympic hero, and all that. I think Helle is more important than Larkin for Florida. Elite goalies are not easy to find or acquire. Just ask the Jets if they move on from Helle.

But your point about not wanting to trade Lundell for him is a very valid comment. But if I'm the Jets, i don't do a deal without Lundell included. I'd forego the 2026 1st rd pick for a 2nd rd pick, but Lundell is the key. If I'm Florida, if I can grab a 3rd line C either from the Jets (Barron) or in FA (Jenner), then I'm happy running Barkov, Bennett, and Barron (or Boone) the triple B's if you please, in my top 9. Larkin is a luxury they don't need, but Helle would not be.

 

[Youthpaste]

Yeah there is a chance we could maybe make a lateral move for a goalie.

Perhaps UPK in Buffalo if we aren't on his NTC or Hill if he'd waive in Vegas.

Hellebuyck for hill is not a "Lateral Move"

 

[Daximus]

I don't think there's a way either team (Jets or Wings) gets both Lundell and #9OA. So you get one or the other.

My premise is if Bjorck is still there at #9, which is quite possible, then Detroit might want to acquire that pick from Florida to select him and pair him with Raymond as they have chemistry from the Worlds. Then the other pieces of Samoskevich and others helps fill in the value gaps. If Bjorck is gone by then, then Wings likely wouldn't value that pick as much.

The Jets can forgo the 9OA pick for a 2nd rd pick (Florida has 2), if they get Lundell.

But i agree, it would be very hard for those three teams to do a deal that all three are happy with.

Yeah I just don't think there is any real consensus the 3 teams could come to for a trade.

From Florida I'm not quite sure what I value more. The 9th overall pick or Lundell. Lundell is a damn good player and will be a bonified 2C but are we just doing addition by subtraction here? Will Helle wanting out create a cascade effect in which we trade Helle get our 2C we are still a bad team and then all the sudden KC and Scheif want out as well to go pursue a Cup and now we aren't much further ahead.

I guess what I'm saying is does the 9th overall pick and a younger player like Samoskevich make more sense for us long term? It's impossible to know how Scheif and KC and maybe a few others will feel about the team losing Helle.

So as the Jets are seeking a 2C from Helle is it the type of move that in hindsight in a few months or a year we are looking back and saying well great we have a 2C but our 1C and 1LW want out and maybe it was just better to have taken the high pick and prospect at the time because it fits the organization need better now.

 

[Buffdog]

I think they'd rather keep Lundell and get a cheaper goalie, myself. The roster is pretty good they just had some bad injuries and little rest over the 3 prior years. They need a goalie, sure, but I don't think they need Hellebuyck so badly as to trade Lundell in a deal for him. Could be wrong, that's just my feeling.

When they won their cups, Bobrovski put up 0.906 and 0.914 SV% in those playoffs

Had they had sub-average goaltending, they likely wouldn't have won at least one of those

Maybe their management recognizes the importance of an elite goalie in getting them over the hump

 

[Board Bard]

kind of a weird thing to say about a guy who every time he's backed into a corner and forced to make trades he's able to come out on top even majority of his detractors would agree with that

Doing something when you're backed into a corner is closer to capitulating to extortion than it is to adapting. As for the results of Chevy's capitulations, they almost certainly would have been better had he not waited until the whole league knew he was backed into a corner.

 

[lanky]

I don't think chevy sells helle for draft picks

It's nearly the only option. If he's traded it'll be to a win-now team that won't be giving up roster talent.

It's possible that we trade him for prospects but those win-now teams are typically light on those.

 

[PitbulI]

Here's a thought and if it happened it would show how desperate Toronto is. Stolarz and their 1st for Helle.

We would lose our elite goaltender but if he wants out, what a deal. We keep our 8th pick. Draft McKenna or Stenberg and then whoever is best at 8.

Outside of that scenario, why wouldn't we pick Vernhoeff at 8? Seems he slid kind of like Trouba did but Trouba did end up being an elite defenseman.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Here's a thought and if it happened it would show how desperate Toronto is. Stolarz and their 1st for Helle.

We would lose our elite goaltender but if he wants out, what a deal. We keep our 8th pick. Draft McKenna or Stenberg and then whoever is best at 8.

Outside of that scenario, why wouldn't we pick Vernhoeff at 8? Seems he slid kind of like Trouba did but Trouba did end up being an elite defenseman.

I don’t think there’s a single chance of Helle bringing back the 1st overall pick.

 

[Heldig]

I'm all on board with this trade, honestly. Chevy has done very well with historically distressed assets, and if Bucky is rankled about us not honouring his Medal of Freedom award, then f*** you. This is what you get when you commingle politics and sports. Read the room, Bucky.

If anything he is rankled by the terrible moves the team made last year, getting older and slower. That, and pissed at the abuse his wife endured by some A**hole "fans".

 

[gojetsgo]

Doing something when you're backed into a corner is closer to capitulating to extortion than it is to adapting. As for the results of Chevy's capitulations, they almost certainly would have been better had he not waited until the whole league knew he was backed into a corner.

so the returns that chevy got that are universally loved by jets fans were not good enough for you? we get it, you hate chevy but come the f*** on, he's done good when he's traded roster players..

 

[lanky]

Here's a thought and if it happened it would show how desperate Toronto is. Stolarz and their 1st for Helle.

We would lose our elite goaltender but if he wants out, what a deal. We keep our 8th pick. Draft McKenna or Stenberg and then whoever is best at 8.

Outside of that scenario, why wouldn't we pick Vernhoeff at 8? Seems he slid kind of like Trouba did but Trouba did end up being an elite defenseman.

I think it would be an enlightening experience for you to post this proposal on the trade board.

 

[gojetsgo]

It's nearly the only option. If he's traded it'll be to a win-now team that won't be giving up roster talent.

It's possible that we trade him for prospects but those win-now teams are typically light on those.

then he most likely stays put, idk what to tell you.. they clearly are targeting roster players and not futures

 

[Jets 31]

If anything he is rankled by the terrible moves the team made last year, getting older and slower. That, and pissed at the abuse his wife endured by some A**hole "fans".

Sad if fans did that.

 

[PitbulI]

I don’t think there’s a single chance of Helle bringing back the 1st overall pick.

I think it's a wild scenario. I also don't think it would happen, but would be nice and intriguing.

 

[DRW204]

Helle wants to play for a contender, v likely a US team.... Doubt he waives Toronto, nvm a 1st overall return.

 

[Heldig]

I was hoping Chevy could trade for Kesselring to be Morrissey's new partner.

Cue the Morrissey to San Jose for #2 talks

 

[Flair Hay]

so the returns that chevy got that are universally loved by jets fans were not good enough for you? we get it, you hate chevy but come the f*** on, he's done good when he's traded roster players..

I think all 3 of these can be true at once

1. The returns can get a bit overrated by our fans
2. The returns exceed what most of GMs are able to get in the same situation and the trades always aged well
3. The returns always lean towards helping the team in the now than they do the future

I think you're both mostly right

 

[Mooche]

I think it's a wild scenario. I also don't think it would happen, but would be nice and intriguing.

Toronto is not a Helle away from winning the Cup.

A cost controlled, young star in McKenna will do oodles more for them as a building block. Whatever the future holds and if Matthews leaves, etc.

 

[gojetsgo]

I think all 3 of these can be true at once

1. The returns can get a bit overrated by our fans
2. The returns exceed what most of GMs are able to get in the same situation and the trades always aged well
3. The returns always lean towards helping the team in the now than they do the future

I think you're both mostly right

I think if all 3 of those things are true then how could you possibly say the jets got have gotten more?

and if they exceed what most gm's can do and age well while being good for the now and future then how could they be overrated?

 

[Heldig]

I agree, this Lundell, 1st and Prospect is just not going to happen.

Dream is to get Lundell. MIGHT be a big enough get that all the other stars dont demand out...or he ends up our #1 C and we will be clamoring for a 2nd line C again.

 

[Bob E]

Dream is to get Lundell. MIGHT be a big enough get that all the other stars dont demand out...or he ends up our #1 C and we will be clamoring for a 2nd line C again.

Lundell may help stem the 'asking out' tide, but likely more important would be a competent goalie replacement for Helle. That might be very hard to do.

If you bring in a Brossoit, Montembeault, Hill or Skinner you better hope the system in front of them offers enough stability that they can provide average goaltending and succeed.

It may be necessary to rip the Helle band-aid off, as he won't play forever and the Jets aren't close right now to winning a cup as currently assembled.

 

[Board Bard]

so the returns that chevy got that are universally loved by jets fans were not good enough for you? we get it, you hate chevy but come the f*** on, he's done good when he's traded roster players..

Woulda been better without the dithering IMO.

 

[lanky]

I think 9 OA + 40 OA is a reasonable and achievable haul for Hellebuyck.

8 - Bjorck C
9 - Rudolph RD
40 - Ignatavicius RW

Then I'd try to get a couple goalies without coughing up much or anything. Like Ingram and Hill.