Speculation: Speculation, rumours and trade & free agency ideas thread

[gojetsgo]

probably nothing but pretty sure this was suppose to be thursday

 

[flin flon bombers]

I think jarmo is smart moving on from Warren young or Eddie beers,robbie brown I mean tuch

 

[scelaton]

Been keeping a low profile, as I'm not feeling a whole lot of love about the team these days. But I'm obviously not alone. When most of the posts are extolling the potential of trading arguably the best player in the most important position in hockey, you know you have a problem.

There is irrational pessimism in Jetsland atm, just as there was irrational optimism after the President's Trophy season. It was easy to predict a regression last season; I'm now going to predict a bounce back toward the middle and playoffs this coming season.

I cannot see Chevy and Chipman giving up on this core yet, so they are likely betting on a low-odds playoff team and then hoping Helle is the Conn Smythe player we have not yet seen. If we miss the playoffs again, it's all over for this core and the rebuild starts at the trade deadline.

I'd be more optimistic if there were a shakeup in management. I was a Chevy backer for a decade, but there is a reason there are term limits in some of the most important offices in the public and private sectors. They are simply not at the cutting edge anymore, so it's hard not to equate the team on the ice with the team in the executive suite.

 

[CanMerc]

probably nothing but pretty sure this was suppose to be thursday

Soooooo….nothing until then

 

[Buffdog]

Perceived value,apparently buff and Florida have put a different value on him.

Um, yeah. That's my point

 

[gojetsgo]

Soooooo….nothing until then

or he is working on things so he pushed the media availability back

 

[Joe Hallenback]

probably nothing but pretty sure this was suppose to be thursday

 

[macmaroon]

lol. The funny thing is I was just in st Adolphe at a gas station

Must have just missed him...

 

[Jetabre]

Been keeping a low profile, as I'm not feeling a whole lot of love about the team these days. But I'm obviously not alone. When most of the posts are extolling the potential of trading arguably the best player in the most important position in hockey, you know you have a problem.

There is irrational pessimism in Jetsland atm, just as there was irrational optimism after the President's Trophy season. It was easy to predict a regression last season; I'm now going to predict a bounce back toward the middle and playoffs this coming season.

I cannot see Chevy and Chipman giving up on this core yet, so they are likely betting on a low-odds playoff team and then hoping Helle is the Conn Smythe player we have not yet seen. If we miss the playoffs again, it's all over for this core and the rebuild starts at the trade deadline.

I'd be more optimistic if there were a shakeup in management. I was a Chevy backer for a decade, but there is a reason there are term limits in some of the most important offices in the public and private sectors. They are simply not at the cutting edge anymore, so it's hard not to equate the team on the ice with the team in the executive suite.

Trade speculation is fun, but I'm all for keeping Helle if he wants to stay, probably not going to see a goalie of his caliber on the Jets again for a long time once he's gone

 

[Hunter368]

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Been keeping a low profile, as I'm not feeling a whole lot of love about the team these days. But I'm obviously not alone. When most of the posts are extolling the potential of trading arguably the best player in the most important position in hockey, you know you have a problem.

Personally, regarding the most important positions, the ranking would go 1C, 1D and then goalie in my opinion.

Regardless, Helle wants out. Chevy will try to make lemonade out of lemons. He's generally done a good job of that.

 

[Gm0ney]

analytics dont like Nikisin's defensive #s, considering 3rd pair role/TOI on Carolina. Shot the same SH% as Logan Stanley at least Stanley you can see track record that this is an outlier of his career so far. Nikishin has played 1 NHL season so uncertain if sustainable or not (probably not?). Played even lesser role in the POs too. Also, if Byram is any representation of the D market, may be smart to cash in.

He was sheltered a bit being on the 3rd pairing. He played some decent minutes with a number of different partners. Mostly Gostisbehere, Walker, Nystrom and Reilly.

Not sure what the analytics don't like about his defensive game in isolation in particular...but it's true they don't like it. Hockeyviz has the Canes much better defensively without him on the ice than with him:

 

[Finnflash]

Did you see Selanne there?

Maybe I really am

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

Probably puts a fork in the Helle to Buffalo ideas. Though could be that he's grinding out Chevy now. Who will be the first to cave?

I think there is a stalemate, and I don't think there is any incentive for either side to bend until the draft starts.

Being comfortable with his 3 starters doesn't align the rumour last night that he was shopping UPL.

 

[HellebuyckOurSaviour]

Markstrom hasn't been good for 5 years and was brutal last season. He's negative value in a trade. Bratt's the only good piece coming back here, while the Jets are giving up an elite goalie, 8th overall and a decent young winger.

I don't think Markstrom is that bad of a goalie, last 6 seasons he's always had a winning record, under 3.00gaa in 5 of them, over .900sv% in 5 of them, when he's been in the playoffs his sv% has never been under .900 Just seems he gets injured for a bit during the season, so if we got him for 4.5m (NJ retains 25%) and then say sign Skinner for 2yr @ 3.5m to be a 1a/1b goalie tandem it wouldn't be that bad for the next 2 seasons. Just can't have our starter playing 3/4 of the season so he's not fresh going into the playoffs. Mercer could be the 2nd line center with Bratt and Nino on the wings.

 

[Jets 31]

Chevy doesn't have to trade Helly if Chevy doesn't get exactly what he wants back. It's a game of musical chairs and Jarmo won't want to mess with Chevy.....

 

[ps241]

Chevy doesn't have to trade Helly if Chevy doesn't get exactly what he wants back. It's a game of musical chairs and Jarmo won't want to mess with Chevy.....

This always makes me laugh especially how the guy stays down

 

[gojetsgo]

fwiw probably not much but I'm bored

 

[DRW204]

He was sheltered a bit being on the 3rd pairing. He played some decent minutes with a number of different partners. Mostly Gostisbehere, Walker, Nystrom and Reilly.

Not sure what the analytics don't like about his defensive game in isolation in particular...but it's true they don't like it. Hockeyviz has the Canes much better defensively without him on the ice than with him:
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i am always a bit skeptical on CAR players' on-ice stats b/c their system makes everyone look good. but the with or withouts and rate of change can show some semblance of how that player performs in it relative to the rest (obviously still a lot of other factors). regardless: high sh%, overall defensive stats still look fine but relative to the team they are a bit on the lower end, + a good sellers market, i think they'd be smart to see if they can nab a good return for someone who is a 3rd pair D, and saw decreased TOI in the POs.

 

[tbcwpg]

I don't think Markstrom is that bad of a goalie, last 6 seasons he's always had a winning record, under 3.00gaa in 5 of them, over .900sv% in 5 of them, when he's been in the playoffs his sv% has never been under .900 Just seems he gets injured for a bit during the season, so if we got him for 4.5m (NJ retains 25%) and then say sign Skinner for 2yr @ 3.5m to be a 1a/1b goalie tandem it wouldn't be that bad for the next 2 seasons. Just can't have our starter playing 3/4 of the season so he's not fresh going into the playoffs. Mercer could be the 2nd line center with Bratt and Nino on the wings.

Two questions/comments - would Markstrom waive his NTC to come here? And I think Skinner is a candidate to go to Florida.

 

[roccerfeller]

Been keeping a low profile, as I'm not feeling a whole lot of love about the team these days. But I'm obviously not alone. When most of the posts are extolling the potential of trading arguably the best player in the most important position in hockey, you know you have a problem.

There is irrational pessimism in Jetsland atm, just as there was irrational optimism after the President's Trophy season. It was easy to predict a regression last season; I'm now going to predict a bounce back toward the middle and playoffs this coming season.

I cannot see Chevy and Chipman giving up on this core yet, so they are likely betting on a low-odds playoff team and then hoping Helle is the Conn Smythe player we have not yet seen. If we miss the playoffs again, it's all over for this core and the rebuild starts at the trade deadline.

I'd be more optimistic if there were a shakeup in management. I was a Chevy backer for a decade, but there is a reason there are term limits in some of the most important offices in the public and private sectors. They are simply not at the cutting edge anymore, so it's hard not to equate the team on the ice with the team in the executive suite.

Great post. Echoes my sentiments almost exactly

 

[gojetsgo]

 

[kylbaz]

fwiw probably not much but I'm bored

FL is probably one of the one or two realistic teams that would trade for him. But sounds like they won't trade Lundell, so I doubt anything happens.

 

[roccerfeller]

Someone’s either gonna pay Chevy’s asking price or no one will and he’ll wear the same jersey of the team that drafted him in September

They’ll have a discussion about how no one wanted to trade what he’s worth and he’ll come back with a chip on his shoulder to increase his value for a future transaction.

We can prob guess the messaging: Public message from Chevy “we’re always getting calls if you’re not picking up the phone you’re not doing your job Helle is the best at what he does” and from Helle “I never asked for a trade myself specifically”

 

[gojetsgo]