Speculation: Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXV

[nyr2k2]

That is like saying Derek Armstrong, Dylan McIlrath and Brad Smyth were NHL players cause they played some games in the NHL.

Yes, Derek Armstrong, he of 200+ points over 470+ NHL games, was not an NHLer.



Come on, man. I understand your point, but at least in Libor Hajek's case there's a very good chance the guy sticks around long enough to play a couple hundred NHL games. That's exponentially more than most drafted players. He's an NHL player. Not a good one, but he is. Maybe he ends up going overseas after this year or something, but until that door shuts, he's an NHL player.

Gauthier I'm a little more iffy on, but he still spent the whole year on the NHL roster and still has a chance to stick on the NHL roster this year. He was an NHL player last year in some capacity and could be again this year.

 

[RGY]

I for one am hoping Zac Jones’ stock continues to rise, whether it is at the NHL level or Hartford to start the year and we can parlay that into a package for Larkin.

Re: Gauthier

I think it would be premature and poor asset management to place him on waivers. I would rather carry him as the 13th or 14th forward than to lose him for nothing. At least not right now. Keep him around longer and see where he can fit in as the season goes on to get him a look and/or to raise his trade value with some good play. Still young with a lot of raw talent.

 

[nyr2k2]

Brooks' biggest flaw is his inability/unwillingness to adapt and change. He's a 1980s reporter in 2021. And before the days of the internet, with news coverage 24/7 and people being able to get their information anywhere, his content was actually useful. He was the source of information for everyone.

Now, he's resorting to gossip, ill-informed takes and flawed opinions, the latter thankfully hidden behind a paywell I will never pay for.

Larry Brooks is a relic of days past. A HHOF inductee as a reporter a few years ago, but still a relic from a different generation.

When you have Vince Mercogliano and Mollie Walker online producing actual insightful content, interacting with readers and being approachable, it all the more highlights Brooks' shortcomings. I respect him for what he was in the past, not the reporter he pretends to be today.

At least he doesn't tweet "Good period?" 3 times a game so there's that

I'll both agree and disagree. The flaws you've identified have definitely caused the younger generation to think of Brooks as a stodgy old loon to be treated with rife mockery. At the same time, the there are still A LOT of folks of an older demographic who still really like him and what he does. He's a relic of times past, sure, but there are many, many folks who like and respect his brand of opinion journalism. I mean you and I are close in age but I love Brooks; he was one of the main journalists that I loved as a teen that got me into journalism in the first place. I recognize that he hasn't adapted but still appreciate his work for what it is.

I love Vince, but what he does and what Brooks do are different things, IMO.

 

[RangerBlues]

Gauthier is garbage.
I dont even know why hes taken up other players minuets

 

[RGY]

Gauthier is garbage.
I dont even know why hes taken up other players minuets

This is such an insightful take. Really worth something.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Brooks' biggest flaw is his inability/unwillingness to adapt and change. He's a 1980s reporter in 2021. And before the days of the internet, with news coverage 24/7 and people being able to get their information anywhere, his content was actually useful. He was the source of information for everyone.

Now, he's resorting to gossip, ill-informed takes and flawed opinions, the latter thankfully hidden behind a paywell I will never pay for.

Larry Brooks is a relic of days past. A HHOF inductee as a reporter a few years ago, but still a relic from a different generation.

When you have Vince Mercogliano and Mollie Walker online producing actual insightful content, interacting with readers and being approachable, it all the more highlights Brooks' shortcomings. I respect him for what he was in the past, not the reporter he pretends to be today.

At least he doesn't tweet "Good period?" 3 times a game so there's that

Wish I could see his face when he reads this on whatever burner acct he has here

 

[LORDE]

I'll both agree and disagree. The flaws you've identified have definitely caused the younger generation to think of Brooks as a stodgy old loon to be treated with rife mockery. At the same time, the there are still A LOT of folks of an older demographic who still really like him and what he does. He's a relic of times past, sure, but there are many, many folks who like and respect his brand of opinion journalism. I mean you and I are close in age but I love Brooks; he was one of the main journalists that I loved as a teen that got me into journalism in the first place. I recognize that he hasn't adapted but still appreciate his work for what it is.

I love Vince, but what he does and what Brooks do are different things, IMO.

Also, get off my lawn and music these days... right?

(I'm 48 & just screwing with ya)

 

[Crease]

Yes, Derek Armstrong, he of 200+ points over 470+ NHL games, was not an NHLer.



Come on, man. I understand your point, but at least in Libor Hajek's case there's a very good chance the guy sticks around long enough to play a couple hundred NHL games. That's exponentially more than most drafted players. He's an NHL player. Not a good one, but he is. Maybe he ends up going overseas after this year or something, but until that door shuts, he's an NHL player.

Gauthier I'm a little more iffy on, but he still spent the whole year on the NHL roster and still has a chance to stick on the NHL roster this year. He was an NHL player last year in some capacity and could be again this year.

Welcome to HFBoards, where above-average players who are overpaid are below-average, and below-average players are not even NHLers.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I'll both agree and disagree. The flaws you've identified have definitely caused the younger generation to think of Brooks as a stodgy old loon to be treated with rife mockery. At the same time, the there are still A LOT of folks of an older demographic who still really like him and what he does. He's a relic of times past, sure, but there are many, many folks who like and respect his brand of opinion journalism. I mean you and I are close in age but I love Brooks; he was one of the main journalists that I loved as a teen that got me into journalism in the first place. I recognize that he hasn't adapted but still appreciate his work for what it is.

I love Vince, but what he does and what Brooks do are different things, IMO.

You had me at rife mockery

 

[bobbop]

If Gauthier and Hajek were baseball players, they would be call AAAA players. Caught between the minors and the big leagues.

Probably the only reason they wouldn’t be claimed is that there will be a glut of players on waivers on cutdown day and teams won’t be able to claim everyone. Look around the league; everyone has extra players on one way contracts. Boston has 22. If there is a better left wing of defenseman available, they may sneak through. This happens every year.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Gauthier's best chance was getting claimed by Seattle, but even they thought Blackwell was a better option.

 

[bbny]

If Gauthier and Hajek were baseball players, they would be call AAAA players. Caught between the minors and the big leagues.

Probably the only reason they wouldn’t be claimed is that there will be a glut of players on waivers on cutdown day and teams won’t be able to claim everyone. Look around the league; everyone has extra players on one way contracts. Boston has 22. If there is a better left wing of defenseman available, they may sneak through. This happens every year.

If Gauthier was a baseball player, his name would be Clint Frazier. Nothing left to prove in the minors, blocked from regular time in the pros, has shown some talent in limited time, but hasn't established himself in the pros.

 

[egelband]

Zach Jones is making life very difficult for Drury and Turk.

Hes confident with the puck and much like Fox, he doesn't rush his decisions. Makes the right play most of the time.

Hes got a little more competition for that 3rd LD spot than Nils does on the Right side, but when adding rookie camp to the pro camp, hes making a hell of a case.

Could be a very good trade chip for either Detroit or Florida

He has great vision on offense. He has a good sense of where everyone is in the ice and also seems to have a plan. As you say, in the Fox mold.

 

[egelband]

Googled and saw that "in Manhattan" was like 30x more common than "on Manhattan", surprising! Aren't you "on" an island?

Yes. We also say to ‘get on the plane’. Which is an awesome idea when you think it through.

 

[Barnaby]

Lets get the Lundkvist+ for Larkin trades back up and running

I mean, how often to top 6 centers get traded this close to the start of the season without some crazy extenuating circumstance? Get ready for the TDL or much more likely - next offseason.

 

[jay from jersey]

Not judging Jay but do you do a lot of coke?

Hah, work too much OT bored out of my mind. Can’t even smoke weed cause I have a federal job

 

[jay from jersey]

I think you will eventually see this, I don't think this experiment will last the whole season. I also think that management doesn't want to just hand Kravstov a top 6 spot after 20 games. With that said Id rather them have Kreider play his offside until there ready to move Kravstov into the top 6

Yea, not great options. I remember The only few times they tried Kreids on his off wing it was an epic failure. I see the merit in trying to keep your 6.5 mill physical specimen motivated and engaged in the game. Kreider is a top 6 winger still, the wealth of young talent is going to make things harder to keep him there.
Gallant must also have a lot of faith in LaF for him to handle the switch on the first unit. It’s a lot of responsibility for a 20 year old kid to play top line on his off wing. So far, the feedback from him has been fantastic. Hopefully he adjusts well, we’re all expecting a big year from LaF and he’s got the talent to deliver.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Who is this poster? The Ola I know would sign EVERY player to a 5 year deal, including Brendan Lemieux.



Benjamin Moore ended up looking great on the helmet. So nice to see the exact branding colors match Rangers kit quite nicely. The red UBS logo looks so stupid on the Islanders.



I honestly thought this was a reply to the Benjamin Moore posting

Well... different strokes.

 

[Barnaby]

Gauthier would 100% be claimed

I wouldn’t be surprised if he was or wasn’t. Every preseason we see guys put through who people are absolutely shocked pass through.

 

[BBKers]

I think there will be a trade before the season. Minor. But (At least) one guy gets moved out. We will see.

 

[2014nyr]

He has great vision on offense. He has a good sense of where everyone is in the ice and also seems to have a plan. As you say, in the Fox mold.

yea hes right now way ahead of nils. with the puck he's made some nice reads/moves up ice but i've been more impressed with the improvement in his skating, and how comfortable he looks in the d zone retrieving pucks and creating breakouts. as has been mentioned, impressively patient.

what i don't get is how the nils/jones debate has become like tribal around here. speaking for myself at least my thoughts on jones are in no way to be taken as anything negative towards nils. to me nils looks about where we should have expected - very nice tools but right now he's still adjusting. the different ice / faster more physical game - those are big changes. he's shown flashes with the puck but he's also looked rushed at times looking for a pass / less than comfortable in his own zone. none of thats surprising or insulting towards him. he's a kid, he's been here a couple weeks - thats a lot to adjust to on and off the ice. and it wouldn't at all surprise me to see some rapid advances game over game in those and all areas - maybe he does overtake jones. but to date jomes has appeared more prepared for a full time role to start the season. that could change at any time, but as of now i see jones as the more capable of playing in the top 6

 

[mas0764]

Zac Jones vs. Nils Lundkvist and other big Rangers questions

Seems like a lot of bad news

 

[Barnaby]

I think there will be a trade before the season. Minor. But (At least) one guy gets moved out. We will see.

I could see something like Gauthier for a 4th or 5th. This team has too much depth right now for him to get a real shot. It’s a shame he didn’t get more of a chance last year. If he’s got a chance (I’m not overly optimistic), then he needs middle six minutes, so Seattle, AZ, etc... would make sense.

Even if he somehow cracked this team as a 13th or 14th forward, he’s not going to get anything going playing on the 4th line every 4th or 5th game. If he’s not playing special teams he’s not likely to be effective in any capacity here anyway.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Tbh we should try moving hajek for a late
pick to a middling team with questionable d depth.

winnipeg?
Montreal?
Chicago?

try to manufacture leverage by pointing out that if he is waived, there’s a good chance Hajek never makes it to any of these teams.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

That is like saying Derek Armstrong, Dylan McIlrath and Brad Smyth were NHL players cause they played some games in the NHL.

At the time, they were NHL players. The same way Julien Gauthier and Libor Hájek are NHL players NOW. They might not be in 2-3 years, but they signed an NHL contract, they are in the NHL, they are playing in the NHL. They are NHL players.

PS: Derek Armstrong holds the record for most different jersey numbers used as a Ranger in official games with 4. He played 7 games for us