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jay from jersey said:
this is most likely the case. Unless your giving the Sabres enough assets to get his cap hit to 7.5 8 mill for the next 5 seasons, which would cost a lot.
I’m not totally slamming the door on Eichel to the rangers until Zibby signs on the dotted line...
If things go south in his negotiations, Eichel still remains a possibility.
Likely the only way it works would be a 3-way deal with Eichel coming to NYR-Zibby waiving his NMC to go to a contender that will extend him to the deal he wants- and buffalo getting 1st Rd picks and prospects.
It’s a lot of moving parts I know, but it can’t be ruled out entirely yet. NYR would also have to be comfortable with the surgery/rehab he needs, but by keeping Strome in the fold, at least until the end of this year, they could conceivably run
Strome-Chytil-Barron-Rooney as their top 4 centers until Eichel is ready to go for the last quarter of the season and into the playoffs if that is the situation.
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I wonder if the Rangers go back to Buffalo once they agree on a deal with Mika. Or, at least, once they are getting close.
 
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egelband said:
I wonder if the Rangers go back to Buffalo once they agree on a deal with Mika. Or, at least, once they are getting close.
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I'm sure they are mapping it out internally. Whether it materializes or not will be interesting.

It seems like we've spun tires with several teams for awhile on different things, at some point they are going to just push forward on something.
 
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What is Fox getting in his next contract? He will be 3 years away from group III. Makar got 6 years and $54M. Dahlin got 3 years and $18M. Hughes will get 3 years and $18M-$21M. Dahlin and Hughes are excellent talents but they aren't Fox. The Rangers would do the Makar contract. Makar's contract covers 5 group II seasons. He started his NHL career in the playoffs in 18-19. Makar needs 7 years accrued or to be 27 years old. He has 2 seasons. He turns 27 during the 25-26 season which is the fifth season of the contract.

Nurse is at $9.25M which covers 7 seasons of group III. Jones is at $9.5M which are all group III seasons.

$8.5M for Zibanejad. $9M for Fox.

Where are the Rangers fitting in Eichel and his bad neck?
 
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jay from jersey said:
Would you give up close to 20 million dollars on your retirement deal knowing you’ve already outperformed your current salary??
Especially knowing there will be at least 3-4 teams willing to give you what you want at the end of the season that will also be playoff contenders for the next 5 seasons or so?
It’s just not logical or realistic. These guys are going to protect their money. If money wasn’t an issue, Eichel would have said screw it and gotten the surgery he wants already. He doesn’t want the Sabres to void his contract leaving all that guaranteed cash on the table.
Liking the city/ team where you play and being happy are all very important. But in the end, money talks and bullshit runs the marathon.
Zibby/agent brother know if things go bad in NY he’s not going to have to go to a bottom feeder to get paid on his last big contract.
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well, my scenario gives him two huge deals so he’s likely making more.
 
RangerBoy said:
What is Fox getting in his next contract? He will be 3 years away from group III. Makar got 6 years and $54M. Dahlin got 3 years and $18M. Hughes will get 3 years and $18M-$21M. Dahlin and Hughes are excellent talents but they aren't Fox. The Rangers would do the Makar contract. Makar's contract covers 5 group II seasons. He started his NHL career in the playoffs in 18-19. Makar needs 7 years accrued or to be 27 years old. He has 2 seasons. He turns 27 during the 25-26 season which is the fifth season of the contract.

Nurse is at $9.25M which covers 7 seasons of group III. Jones is at $9.5M which are all group III seasons.

$8.5M for Zibanejad. $9M for Fox.

Where are the Rangers fitting in Eichel and his bad neck?
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No Eichel. Too risky. I’m happy with what you said keeping Mika and Fox.
Mika blossomed here and Fox wanted to be here.
Those are the type of people I want to root for and see succeed. LGR!
 
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KreiderBomb said:
NMC, Zibs either resigns or walks.
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Odds are he would waive if the team he knows he’s getting traded to is a legit contender for 4-5 seasons and they are ready to give him the contract he wants. Similar to the Stone situation when he was traded.
But if your NYR, you can’t let him go without knowing Eichel is coming here. He’s the only center talent wise, that is on the same tier as Zibby. ( tbh Eichel could most likely be better here) but it’s still a huge gamble.
If Barkov was headstrong on UFA, he’d be the ideal candidate to replace Zibby here. But odds are he’s a panther for life now.
Eichel is literally the only available play if Drury doesn’t want to give zibby 7-8 years, and he comes with some risks as well, mainly the cost to acquire and how good he is when he returns from surgery.
 
jay from jersey said:
Odds are he would waive if the team he knows he’s getting traded to is a legit contender for 4-5 seasons and they are ready to give him the contract he wants. Similar to the Stone situation when he was traded.
But if your NYR, you can’t let him go without knowing Eichel is coming here. He’s the only center talent wise, that is on the same tier as Zibby. ( tbh Eichel could most likely be better here) but it’s still a huge gamble.
If Barkov was headstrong on UFA, he’d be the ideal candidate to replace Zibby here. But odds are he’s a panther for life now.
Eichel is literally the only available play if Drury doesn’t want to give zibby 7-8 years, and he comes with some risks as well, mainly the cost to acquire and how good he is when he returns from surgery.
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Stone wanted out of ottawa, i dont get the feeling Zib wants to leave. I don't see him accepting a trade to deplete the team he's planning on going to of assets.
 
jay from jersey said:
Eichel is literally the only available play if Drury doesn’t want to give zibby 7-8 years, and he comes with some risks as well, mainly the cost to acquire and how good he is when he returns from surgery.
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can’t the Rangers trade for another center? A Larkin, etc.
 
KreiderBomb said:
Stone wanted out of ottawa, i dont get the feeling Zib wants to leave. I don't see him accepting a trade to deplete the team he's planning on going to of assets.
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Yea, not that Zibby wants out. I just think I’m order for him to waive his NMC, the contract details would have to be worked out prior to the deal. These guys don’t want to go UFA. They will, it’s plan B if all else fails, but they rather take the Guaranteed years and money on a suitable location rather then going in to the offseason wide open if they can.
I think Zibby would love to remain here. Literally the only way I see this going bad is if his contract demands are too outrageous for drury and talks break down. Or if ranger brass feels that Eichel will definitely be the far superior player here From 25-30 rather then Zibby from 30-37 and it doesn’t cost the rangers more then Zibby+ 1st from us to get him here.
NYR have done a lot of work the last few years getting and developing these young assets. They aren’t going to throw that all away just for a chance to bring in Eichel. That’s why I think a 3-team trade basically switching Eichel/Zibby and rangers adding what would be a late 1st next year is the most I think they’d be willing to part with.
I don’t see how Zibby/Eichel can exist here together beyond this season without 1 of Kreider/Trouba leaving early from their NMC clauses. I think seeing a situation like that arise is next to zero. But until Zibby resigns, you can’t entirely rule out the possibility of the rangers still being interested in Eichel.
The most realistic perspective is, NYR resigns Zibby for 7 years. And at the end of this season I think you will see Drury upgrade our 2nd and 4th centers.
Zibby-Strome-Chytil-Rooney this season

Zibby-???-Barron-??? Next season.

the??? Could be chytil if he proves himself and/Richards filling 4C internally. If not, I’d expect Drury to be active on the trade/UFA market to bring in more long term solutions. This is a huge year for chytil. Rooney and Strome are both UFAs at years end....
We’re solid everywhere in our lineup and in the farm except for our long term center situation, and a true heir for shesty if that need arises, and I think Drury knows it, and it’s on the top of the list of his priorities to address, starting this season by locking down Zibby long term
 
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NYSPORTS said:
Doubt he’ll cost $10 million per though.
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Yea not likely. But he’s a drop off of talent from either guy centering your first line. Don’t know why you’d make the team worse off.
if they are targeting Larkin, it will likely be to come here and be a high end 2C. A spot where I think he can flourish.
People talk about Eichel being a bad leader and Larkin being a good one, but he hasn’t carried the wings to any success either. It’s hard to make the playoffs when there’s not much else around you, no matter how talented you are.
 
jay from jersey said:
Yea not likely. But he’s a drop off of talent from either guy centering your first line. Don’t know why you’d make the team worse off.
if they are targeting Larkin, it will likely be to come here and be a high end 2C. A spot where I think he can flourish.
People talk about Eichel being a bad leader and Larkin being a good one, but he hasn’t carried the wings to any success either. It’s hard to make the playoffs when there’s not much else around you, no matter how talented you are.
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my concern is:

is Zibby worth more than Trouba at $8 million? I would say yes
So it’s safe to assume Fox’s Norris trophy is worth more than Trouba too. Yes

Flash forward two years - rank the forwards - Laf, Kakko, Krav, Panarin or Zibby. Unless Zibby is #2 the other or others will get paid more. Not to mention the rest of the kids have to get paid too.
 
RangerBoy said:
What is Fox getting in his next contract? He will be 3 years away from group III. Makar got 6 years and $54M. Dahlin got 3 years and $18M. Hughes will get 3 years and $18M-$21M. Dahlin and Hughes are excellent talents but they aren't Fox. The Rangers would do the Makar contract. Makar's contract covers 5 group II seasons. He started his NHL career in the playoffs in 18-19. Makar needs 7 years accrued or to be 27 years old. He has 2 seasons. He turns 27 during the 25-26 season which is the fifth season of the contract.

Nurse is at $9.25M which covers 7 seasons of group III. Jones is at $9.5M which are all group III seasons.

$8.5M for Zibanejad. $9M for Fox.

Where are the Rangers fitting in Eichel and his bad neck?
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A pre-emptive long term contract for Chytil really needed to get done this year. I am sure our capologist has a plan, but there are going to be more painful losses along the way no matter what.
 
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