Speculation: Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXV

[Barnaby]

the Rangers will find a center much like they found a replacement at goalie if necessary.

Yea, but the track record is against them here. As has been stated, where is this 1C coming from? Who is this 25 year old 1C looking to sign here for 7 years after magically being acquired? There are reasons why Kopitar, Toews, Crosby, Getzlaf, Backstrom... etc caliber players almost never move - because teams realize finding one is a needle in the haystack. They get locked up and teams deal with the end when it comes. I’m definitely one of the more conservative here when it comes to long term deals, but I really believe this is a situation when you have to grit your teeth and get it done.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Yea, but the track record is against them here. As has been stated, where is this 1C coming from? Who is this 25 year old 1C looking to sign here for 7 years after magically being acquired? There are reasons why Kopitar, Toews, Crosby, Getzlaf, Backstrom... etc caliber players almost never move - because teams realize finding one is a needle in the haystack. They get locked up and teams deal with the end when it comes. I’m definitely one of the more conservative here when it comes to long term deals, but I really believe this is a situation when you have to grit your teeth and get it done.

No idea why five years is so absurd around here. Meanwhile, as if with all these prospects the Rangers will be unable to find a center. They'll find one. And if they can't, what good are these lottery picks???

 

[Barnaby]

No idea why five years is so absurd around here. Meanwhile, as if with all these prospects the Rangers will be unable to find a center. They'll find one. And if they can't, what good are these lottery picks???

I just wrote out a 3 paragraph response and this awful site deleted it right before I hit send. When will it end?

 

[NYSPORTS]

I just wrote out a 3 paragraph response and this awful site deleted it right before I hit send. When will it end?

been there when it refreshes

ty for the efforts, it happens

 

[Synergy27]

I just wrote out a 3 paragraph response and this awful site deleted it right before I hit send. When will it end?

I’ve been told that these random browser refreshes are “user error”.

 

[haohmaru]

I just wrote out a 3 paragraph response and this awful site deleted it right before I hit send. When will it end?

One of my responses got deleted because it was a "fake account".

Pretty sure it was me.

 

[Barnaby]

I’ve been told that these random browser refreshes are “user error”.

My phone can do almost anything, but it stops short at hockey message boards.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Im not saying he cant go where he wants. What i am saying is all the teams you mentioned are bottom dwelling teams. Ottawa wont be good for years which wastes zibs last years. Vegas isnt tampa, and trading away players to make room for zibs ruins their depth. Buffalo is NOT attractive, same with anaheiem. these teams you mentioned are not leaving the cellar for years. Zibs isnt going to go to those teams. Lets be real here. He is 29 and wants to win a cup. I have no problem with him signing an albotross contract somewhere else. He doesnt deserve more than Coutierer. Like i said he can take 5years 10m per or he can get the couteier contract. Otherwise he can go dougie hamilton route and im ok with it.. Zibs is on par with coutierer. coutierer is the elite defensive center who can pop in points, zibs is an elite offensive player with some pop to his defensive game. Both Hayes and Zuc wanted to resign here. Gorton didnt want them to and needed to trade them in order to begin the rebuild.

We can trade zibs mid season and get some serious draft capital and prospects that we can use to go get Lindholm and/or larkin, move chytl up. get rid of that bum strome and im good. Id rather have top end two way play from my top 2 centers with the winger depth and talent we have.

NMC, Zibs either resigns or walks.

 

[duhmetreE]

My phone can do almost anything, but it stops short at hockey message boards.

Use Brave Browser. I'm pretty confident it has to do with ads/scripts

 

[Kodiak]

My phone can do almost anything, but it stops short at hockey message boards.

When I'm replying from my phone, I periodically Select All and Copy while I am writing, so if it refreshes on me, I can paste and pick up my reply from the last time I copied instead of restarting the whole thing.

 

[GAGLine]

My phone can do almost anything, but it stops short at hockey message boards.

That's my move!

 

[McRanger]

That 8m-9m numbers sounds about right for Zibanejad.

Assuming a 82.5m upper limit and figuring he gets around 10%-11% of the cap, that puts his range around 8.25m-9.1m.

Assuming they like what they see in camp in regards to his health I had to guess I would say he ends up with 7 years at 9.075m which is exactly 11%.

 

[Stasis]

Wow @ that whole 5 year thing that droned on and on. This board needs a dislike button so hard. I kept smashing an invisible one. But at least it proves that most of us live within a world of logic judging by how many likes there were on respective posts.

Zib's not signing anywhere for 5 years, we're not letting him walk without a replacement that would cost more and maybe even be a lesser talent close to the same age, and we have no high ceiling center prospects.

Get rid of Zib because he wants his last contract payday (which all high end players want, and get), get rid of Strome because reasons, and lets just wing it and hope for the best! Sounds great. JFC.

 

[Barnaby]

When I'm replying from my phone, I periodically Select All and Copy while I am writing, so if it refreshes on me, I can paste and pick up my reply from the last time I copied instead of restarting the whole thing.

Good call... my strategy was to save them then just edit every so often but then people read half my comment if I’m not done.

 

[RangerBoy]

Chris Johnston is no longer with Sportsnet. He is now writing for the Toronto Star and he has a podcast. The Chris Johnston show.

The Eichel situation is a mess. It's not ending soon. CJ brought July 1, 2022 as a pressure point. Eichel's NMC starts on that date. No team was close to a trade. Buffalo wants too much for an injured player.

Pettersson 5 years/$8.5M
Hughes 3 years/$6M-$7M

Seattle has too many D. Teams are looking to add a D on waivers.

 

[nyr2k2]

No idea why five years is so absurd around here. Meanwhile, as if with all these prospects the Rangers will be unable to find a center. They'll find one. And if they can't, what good are these lottery picks???

I think most would love to sign Zibanejad for five years. It's the idea that he would go for that that seems absurd, given he would almost certainly get a bigger deal on the open market. It would take him biting on a sweetheart deal for him to sign here for five years, and that happens so very rarely.

 

[NYSPORTS]

I think most would love to sign Zibanejad for five years. It's the idea that he would go for that that seems absurd, given he would almost certainly get a bigger deal on the open market. It would take him biting on a sweetheart deal for him to sign here for five years, and that happens so very rarely.

great, 3 years for 15 million per then go sign elsewhere if five years isn’t good. I’ll overpay and go short term or mid-term rather than spread this out for seven years.

 

[McRanger92]

The Rangers window is closed before it can even open if they dont get Zibanejad signed, no matter the mental gymnastics some fans do to make it seem like hes easily replaceable.

Im not saying to give him 10+ mil AAV on an 8 year deal, but both sides seem to want this done and theres a clear path to a contract that works for both sides. I can assure you no one in the organization is concerned about 5 years from now, rightfully so.

 

[egelband]

Like it or not. Mika will be signed for 7 years. Hopefully the AAV is reasonable

after year 5 of his deal, hoping the Cap is approaching $100M. He doesn't have a full NMC. His contract is structured in a way similar to Kreider/Trouba. ie make him moveable.

It is what it is. Trouba and Kreider will be moved if some kids need fat contracts in 3-4 years.

Probably should pin this or put it into the FAQ. It’s 100% correct.

 

[egelband]

Chicago lost a bunch of their mid tier depth players and then won another cup, so I’m not following that argument terribly well.

I was thinking this too but they did lose Panarin too. Not sure that was a money thing though. Anyhow, I agree that we’re not losing any young stars because of the cap. We’ll move vets and include picks if needed. But we’re not losing our stars. It almost never happens.

 

[egelband]

I was worried about Vierling. He got hurt in one of the Flyers scrimmages.

 

[egelband]

No idea why five years is so absurd around here. Meanwhile, as if with all these prospects the Rangers will be unable to find a center. They'll find one. And if they can't, what good are these lottery picks???

Everyone would love to sign him for five years. Also, everyone knows he’s not taking five years. You’ve made your opinion clear.

 

[egelband]

That 8m-9m numbers sounds about right for Zibanejad.

Assuming a 82.5m upper limit and figuring he gets around 10%-11% of the cap, that puts his range around 8.25m-9.1m.

Assuming they like what they see in camp in regards to his health I had to guess I would say he ends up with 7 years at 9.075m which is exactly 11%.

I would highly appreciate it if Mika takes under-9 per season. I’d consider it a personal favor.

 

[jay from jersey]

If it’s true Drury is working an extension with Mika, once that’s signed it pretty much slams the door on getting Eichel

it’s one or the other making (or almost making) 10 million, not both

this is most likely the case. Unless your giving the Sabres enough assets to get his cap hit to 7.5 8 mill for the next 5 seasons, which would cost a lot.
I’m not totally slamming the door on Eichel to the rangers until Zibby signs on the dotted line...
If things go south in his negotiations, Eichel still remains a possibility.
Likely the only way it works would be a 3-way deal with Eichel coming to NYR-Zibby waiving his NMC to go to a contender that will extend him to the deal he wants- and buffalo getting 1st Rd picks and prospects.
It’s a lot of moving parts I know, but it can’t be ruled out entirely yet. NYR would also have to be comfortable with the surgery/rehab he needs, but by keeping Strome in the fold, at least until the end of this year, they could conceivably run
Strome-Chytil-Barron-Rooney as their top 4 centers until Eichel is ready to go for the last quarter of the season and into the playoffs if that is the situation.

 

[jay from jersey]

great, 3 years for 15 million per then go sign elsewhere if five years isn’t good. I’ll overpay and go short term or mid-term rather than spread this out for seven years.

Would you give up close to 20 million dollars on your retirement deal knowing you’ve already outperformed your current salary??
Especially knowing there will be at least 3-4 teams willing to give you what you want at the end of the season that will also be playoff contenders for the next 5 seasons or so?
It’s just not logical or realistic. These guys are going to protect their money. If money wasn’t an issue, Eichel would have said screw it and gotten the surgery he wants already. He doesn’t want the Sabres to void his contract leaving all that guaranteed cash on the table.
Liking the city/ team where you play and being happy are all very important. But in the end, money talks and bullshit runs the marathon.
Zibby/agent brother know if things go bad in NY he’s not going to have to go to a bottom feeder to get paid on his last big contract.