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Did the Rangers miss the boat on ROR?

I was watching the trade tree videos on YouTube. Ryan O'Reilly. He was traded twice and the team acquiring him got the better end of the deal both times. The Rangers were interested in ROR in 2013. Elliotte Friedman reported the Avs wanted Del Zotto and either JT Miller or Kreider. ROR was a free agent. He signed a deal to play in the KHL during the 2012 lockout. Calgary signed him to an offer sheet and the Avs matched.

The Rangers didn't like ROR's contract request of $5M per. The Rangers had to re-sign McDonagh, Stepan and Hagelin that summer in 2013. 6 year contract for Trucker. 2 year bridge deals for Stepan and Hagelin. The cap was set at $64.3M for the 13-14 season. The Rangers had an amnesty buyout in their pocket. They used the buyout on Brad Richards after the 2014 season. The Rangers had to re-sign Brass and Zuccarello in the summer of 2014. 5 year deal for Brass. 2 year bridge deal for Zuccarello.

Del Zotto and either Miller and Kreider for ROR would have been a steal for the Rangers. Del Zotto's game fell apart and the Rangers traded him for Klein during the 13-14 season. Miller had his issues with AV but he became a very good player. Kreider has been an important part of the Rangers.

DZ and Miller for ROR. DZ had a $2.55M cap hit.

The Rangers traded Gaborik at the 2013 deadline for Brassard, Moore and Dorsett.

The Rangers could have bought out Richards after 2013 to make the ROR money work. Richard fell off of the cliff when he became a Ranger.

Maybe the Rangers win the Cup in 2014 or 2015 with ROR on the roster. He won the Conn Smythe in 2019. The guy is still a top center.

It would have led to different moves being made with the roster.

 
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Fitzy said:
If I was to guess, I'd say this is the attitude from management as well.

Guys like Hunt and Rooney are here to play 10 minutes a night. Perhaps they see Barron as a top 9 player ultimately.
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That’s the goal. I’d wager the vision for him is to be the rangers long term 3C. Honestly. That day is coming sooner rather then later. He has size, an NHL shot, good along the boards/forecheck, and physical. Beyond working on his skating I don’t know what else you want from him? I’d rather him working with NHL guys at practice like Goodrow then sending him back to Hartford just because we can.
Barron is already older then Chytil. It’s not like he’s going to go thru a massive growth spurt or need to put on 10 lbs of muscle.
I’ve said it many times, but Goodrow is the ideal guy to play on Barrons wing during his Rookie season. He already looked good with his cup of coffee with the team last year. Playing/Practicing everyday with the big boys is better for him in the long run I believe.
It’s all going to come down to camp. If he has a bad camp, send him back down to the A for a half/Full Year if necessary, but if he’s lights out, you have to get him in the line up. Why wouldn’t you want your best players to play???
But the too many Fwds pickle still remains. Moves are going to need to be made, camp will determine which direction we go in.
 
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Here are some graphs to show what I am talking about. These comparisons are showing Blais as compared to players like Fast, Bennett and Tanev, guys who I would think should be filling similar roles on their respective teams, albeit some specialize in certain areas (Fast and Tanev on PK for example) while others moreso in other areas (Blais and Tanev are the most physical of the bunch).


Samuel Blais - QuantHockey
 
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NYR Viper said:
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Here are some graphs to show what I am talking about. These comparisons are showing Blais as compared to players like Fast, Bennett and Tanev, guys who I would think should be filling similar roles on their respective teams, albeit some specialize in certain areas (Fast and Tanev on PK for example) while others moreso in other areas (Blais and Tanev are the most physical of the bunch).


Samuel Blais - QuantHockey
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Exactly! People here wanted the next blake coleman or barclay goodrow on the team without having to pay the big bucks to.. Meanwhile we just traded for one in Blais. He isnt getting moved any time soon. And i expect him to play well for us.
 
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Fitzy said:
If I was to guess, I'd say this is the attitude from management as well.

Guys like Hunt and Rooney are here to play 10 minutes a night. Perhaps they see Barron as a top 9 player ultimately.
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I agree about Hunt. He looked pretty good for the Yotes. He’s a guy that was always moving his feet, looking to make a hit, etc. just a hard working/lunch pail type. I hope he becomes an everyday 4th liner.
Hunt-Rooney-Reaves could be a real agitating line the has some solid offensive zone time cycling the puck, hitting, and popping in a goal every once and a while.
I know you had Blais on the RW, but I think they want him playing somewhere in the top 9
 
Easy viper lmao.

Idk about Blais in the top 9. I think Goodrow has that role
 
jay from jersey said:
I agree about Hunt. He looked pretty good for the Yotes. He’s a guy that was always moving his feet, looking to make a hit, etc. just a hard working/lunch pail type. I hope he becomes an everyday 4th liner.
Hunt-Rooney-Reaves could be a real agitating line the has some solid offensive zone time cycling the puck, hitting, and popping in a goal every once and a while.
I know you had Blais on the RW, but I think they want him playing somewhere in the top 9
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Panarin - Strome - Kravstov

Laf - Zibby - Kakko

Kreider - Chytil - Goodrow

Unless there is an injury or one of the kids completely flop, I don't think management wants him to be in the top 9 unless a trade is made on an upgrade on Strome. Buch was moved to give more ice time to Kakko and Kravstov. Goodrow wasn't paid to be on the 4th line and should take the faceoffs for Chytil. I can see him playing RW over Reaves when they don't need a heavy weight out there. Having Hunt, Reaves, Blais, Barron, Rooney all battling for a 4th line position is a very good thing. I think Barron will be in the AHL atleast to start the year.
 
Fitzy said:
Easy viper lmao.

Idk about Blais in the top 9. I think Goodrow has that role
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I think Blais gives them options, similar to Fast. Where he ends up, who knows.

I get the sense that Goodrow is going to be a staple on this teams 3rd line long term. The other two guys will probably change but he’s going to be that identity guy there.
 
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EdJovanovski said:
Am I the only one who legit thinks Kravtsov could be the best player in the league sans McDavid?
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I agree. Can Kravtsov become as good as Markus Näslund? There is a long way to go to become that effective, but from my POV, the kid is really talented.

Näslund won the Lester IIRC, the players award for best player. He was top 1-3 in the league when he peaked…
 
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If Strome is still on the roster come start of the season, which is looking pretty likely, Blais is likely on the 4th line and Hunt is the 13th forward with Barron in Hartford. I dont think it makes sense to keep Barron with the big club if he won't see games.

Laff - Zib - Kakko
Panarin - Strome - Kravstov
Kreider - Chytil - Goodrow
Blais - Rooney - Reeves
Hunt
 
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brakeyawself said:
Barron looks more like a middle 6 player to me. At least, he played really well offensively last season, all be it in a very depleted AHL. But he scored at a PPG pace. I think he'd be more suited for a 3rd line role if he's ready. Which would be absolutely perfect for what we actually need.

I think if Blais or even Goodrow is on one of the top 3 lines, we aren't really going to do so well. But I think Goodrow at least as 3rd line center, if Chytil was on the 2nd line, makes the most sense.
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Blais is totally a middle 6 player. He played half the season on STL's 2nd line. you are really underestimating him. Having him on our 3rd line is not going to tank us.
Plus the logic that someone who did well in the AHL should play above that player? I'm hopeful for Barron as well but he has not earned a middle 6 role on this team yet. the 4th line is a great spot for him.
A 4th line of Barron-Rooney-Goodrow actually makes that line super solid on faceoffs and thus defensively responsive. Plus all 3 of those guys are good at PK.
 
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EdJovanovski said:
Am I the only one who legit thinks Kravtsov could be the best player in the league sans McDavid?
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He will be 22 this year and hasn't showed at all that he belongs in the NHL. Not sure why people are that high on him to be honest. I think there is more of a chance he is in Russia by the time hes 27 than anything more than a 50 point player in the NHL
 
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bigdog16 said:
He will be 22 this year and hasn't showed at all that he belongs in the NHL. Not sure why people are that high on him to be honest. I think there is more of a chance he is in Russia by the time hes 27 than anything more than a 50 point player in the NHL
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Huh? Did you watch the games he played in lol, how has he not shown at all that he belongs in the NHL when he was one of the best players on our team? Go back and read the GDT’s, everyone was gushing about him and saying they wish Laf & Kakko came out of the gate looking like that, he was routinely voted one of the top 3 stars almost every game
 
EdJovanovski said:
Huh? Did you watch the games he played in lol, how has he not shown at all that he belongs in the NHL when he was one of the best players on our team? Go back and read the GDT’s, everyone was gushing about him and saying they wish Laf & Kakko came out of the gate looking like that, he was routinely voted one of the top 3 stars almost every game
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He has yet to show an ability to consistently produce at any level and thats what worries me the most. He is essentially the same age as Chytil and realistically Chytil is a better player right now. Chytil gets whipped on these boards because its "put up or shut up" time for him, while Kravtsov is like 3 months younger and everybody just praises his ceiling.
 
bigdog16 said:
He has yet to show an ability to consistently produce at any level and thats what worries me the most. He is essentially the same age as Chytil and realistically Chytil is a better player right now. Chytil gets whipped on these boards because its "put up or shut up" time for him, while Kravtsov is like 3 months younger and everybody just praises his ceiling.
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Produce at any level? He led his entire KHL team in goals as a 20 year old who missed almost a quarter of the season man
 
EdJovanovski said:
Produce at any level? He led his entire KHL team in goals as a 20 year old who missed almost a quarter of the season man
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Thats not really proving anything. His team was terrible. Traktor would have gotten the floor wiped by any AHL team. He hasnt proved anything in NA besides pass your eye test. And for you to say he will be the best player after McDavid is why Ranger fans get such a bad rep around here haha
 
Seems very likely to me that we will be rolling 4 lines most of the time, given the player acquisitions and the hiring of Gallant, in which case the "top 6" and "top 9" distinctions become less important. Blais and Goodrow are the sorts of players who can provide a physical, responsible presence next to more offensive types, and they will both do that at points this year. I'm sure we will see at least one of them next to Panarin/Strome unless someone else locks that up early. If we're rolling lines the kids will get their minutes, and hopefully everybody can stay fresh.
 
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