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Speculation: Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXIII
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broadwayblue
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What kind of contract are you suggesting? I can't imagine him taking much below 10M/season. Maybe 9.5. When he hasn't been in a Covid fog the guy has been legit filthy. I just think it's unlikely he's going to sign a sub 8M deal.
Brings me back to the old sextecy days of the misspent New York youth nights....
It’s not the age, it’s the milage
Zibby knows he’ll get 10 on the open market. If he resigns with us for anything under 10 I’d consider it a discount. Unfortunately, both him and his agent know they have the rangers by the balls and this Is his retirement contract. Simple as that.
He’s not dumb, he’s knows what Panarin is making, I really can’t believe people think we’re going to get him for 8, considering he was underpaid for what he did on his expiring deal.
Some fans or either wishing or delusional.
I hope it’s not 8 years, because this one is not going to age well.....
How does Eichel firing Fish and hiring Brisson help the cause?
Tony DeAngelo: Flames look into trade for Rangers defenseman
Brisson could not help the Rangers find a taker for Tony.
Sather and Brisson got into over Stephane Quintal. The player regretted leaving Montreal for NY. He told a paper in Montreal that he made a mistake in signing with the Rangers. He wanted to play for the Habs. Dave Checketts suspended him. Smith and Muckler had already been fired. Checketts was the Garden boss at the time. Smith signed him in 1999. Sather takes over in 2000. Quintal had a NTC. Sather wanted to trade him. The player didn't want to want to play for the Hawks. Quintal played for Jets. Mike Smith was the GM in Winnipeg. Smith was the Hawks GM in 2000. He wanted Quintal. Sather put Quintal on waivers and Chicago claimed him. The Hawks sent Grosek and Brad Brown to the Rangers as future considerations. Brisson was furious. Smith and Sather got around the no trade clause.
Tony DeAngelo: Flames look into trade for Rangers defenseman
Brisson could not help the Rangers find a taker for Tony.
Sather and Brisson got into over Stephane Quintal. The player regretted leaving Montreal for NY. He told a paper in Montreal that he made a mistake in signing with the Rangers. He wanted to play for the Habs. Dave Checketts suspended him. Smith and Muckler had already been fired. Checketts was the Garden boss at the time. Smith signed him in 1999. Sather takes over in 2000. Quintal had a NTC. Sather wanted to trade him. The player didn't want to want to play for the Hawks. Quintal played for Jets. Mike Smith was the GM in Winnipeg. Smith was the Hawks GM in 2000. He wanted Quintal. Sather put Quintal on waivers and Chicago claimed him. The Hawks sent Grosek and Brad Brown to the Rangers as future considerations. Brisson was furious. Smith and Sather got around the no trade clause.
Then Mika should go get $10M. In this economy?
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Seth Jones and Darnell Nurse both just got over 9M in this economy and they are worse players relative to their position.
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That’s the point. He knows some team is going to give it to him. He’s got significant bargaining power here, he’s got the NMC. He knows he’ll prob be the most talented C available in the rangers timeline of the next 4-5 years for this push, and he’s performed well at MSG.
That is a tonnnn
It’s going to be a game of chicken who blinks first. Rangers only other alternative that’s semi realistic was if they trade for Eichel and replace him with Zibby going fwd. big risk with injury/ cost of assets but it could also pay off big as well
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NYR Viper
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Yeah, if he wants $10m then he won't be here. I made a comparison to Couturier in the last thread I think. They are very similar overall with advantages to both players in specific instances. Couturier signed an extension for $7.75m per season.
Landeskog got $7m.
RNH is a tier below but got $5.125m.
Is Zibajenad worth ~$5m more than RNH or $3m more than Landeskog or $2m more than Couturier?
A $10m contract is a mistake from day 1.
NYR Viper
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What team is giving Zibanejad $10m per season next year? What teams have that cap space or desire? Will those teams be competing for a Cup or does Zibanejad just want his money?
broadwayblue
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More then likely there would be a few playoff teams looking to add him that would ship out enough salary to accommodate his new deal. Off the top of my head Minn, LV, Calgary, maybe Montreal, etc I’m sure 2-3 more. My guess if he makes UFA there will be 4-5 teams that offer him a long term deal of that size.
Kodiak
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It's not just money that you have to consider. It's the term as well. Those three players all signed 8 year contracts. I think that Zibanejad is going to hit a steep decline 3 or 4 years into his next contract, so I would prefer to a shorter contract with a higher AAV. When you are looking at a 5 year contract given Zibanejad's recent production, $10m is not out of the question. At 7 or 8 years, it would definitely be a mistake.
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Oscar Lindberg
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Idk how Brisson’s involvement with DeAngelo has any impact on what happens with Eichel
DeAngelo was a toxic asshole who was getting kicked out of his third NHL org.
The Eichel situation isn’t anywhere close
DeAngelo was a toxic asshole who was getting kicked out of his third NHL org.
The Eichel situation isn’t anywhere close
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Not so sure about that. Nurse has his issues but he still performs and does a lot of things well. He doesn't get much PP time yet still only had 14 points less than Zibs, as a Dman. If they used him as their primary PP D, he very well might have outscored Zibs. And he brings a physical element. Not the best defender in the league. But he's still a relatively valuable player.
Seth Jones, not my favorite Dman. But still a to pairing guy who brings a decent amount to the table. Not comparing him to Hedman or Fox, but neither is someone like Quinn Hughes, who shouldn't be making as much as Fox or Hedman but almost certainly will be in that range.
Once you hit that top range of salaries, you are going to see a lot of guys bunched in there who don't necessarily all belong on the same tier. Realistically guys like McDavid and AM, relative to other players, should probably be getting like $5 mil per year more. But because of the cap and wage structure, salaries top out. I don't think you can view it as a dollar for dollar, tier to tier equivalency.
rangers1314
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I dont see how the agent change makes any difference to Adams and his price for JE.
Jack is frustrated and took out said frustration on the thing he controls, his reps.
Jack is frustrated and took out said frustration on the thing he controls, his reps.
GoAwayGiannone
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Carried over from last thread.... Nils Lundkvist.
I don't dislike Nils Lundkvist at all. I think he can be a very good player, maybe even a special player. But to tout him as a "special player" before he ever sets foot on NHL ice is way premature in my estimation. Maybe he will be "special" and maybe he will do it right out of the gate. Or maybe he will struggle and have to spend time in the AHL. And maybe all the hype surrounding him will end up being justified or maybe it won't. But there's absolutely no way to declare him "the next one" (one of what Im not sure) at this point and time.
At least wait until we see him in preseason lol.
And I would still trade him right now for an "equivalent" young center. A center who is also SUPPOSED TO BE "special". Because right now, that's what we are dealing with. A lot of cases of the "supposdas". But also, Fox is "special" like legitimately. Schneider is also "supposda" be "special" but with even more "necessary" attributes. So we will see. Lundqvist may have to switch sides to LD. Where we have a few more cases of the "supposdas" in Jones, Miller and eventually Robertson. And sure, right now you might be saying "Ugh you can't compare Lundkvist with Jones or Milller! Lundkvist is SUPPOSDA be better than both of them." and yea, he is supposda be. But that don't mean he is. And I think 2-3 years ago, if anyone had said "I prefer Fox to Quinn Hughes" you would have gotten bottles and litter thrown at you and told to just go away. But Fox now looks like the superior player, in numerous ways. Just an example that, "supposda" is another way of saying "the odds are" which is, clearly, a connotation to gambling. Which is what everyone making predictions is doing. We could be sitting here in 3 years from now saying "thank goodness we kept Jones instead of Lundkvist." And I'm sure there would be plenty of revisionist history to go along with it. Many post-hoc prophets.
And anyway, if he can bring back return the other two can't, that's meaningful if we are talking about, completely hypothetically, what we could get in return. And the entire reason we would hypothetically need to trade him, is to get a young center that is, again, "supposda" be "special". Well, you're not getting a young center who's "supposda" be "special" unless you give up a D prospect that is also "supposda" be special.
And hey, maybe Lundqvist will come into trainijng camp and we will all be drooling, with mouths agape, images of Brian Leetch and Kris Letang juxtaposing themselves over our mental image of Lundkvist. And he makes Fox look like an AHL cast off. And angels come down and proclaim him the anointed one, the Maud'dib of a spiceless universe. And we all start crying because his play, inexplicably inhuman, surrounded by a glowing halo, proves my skepticism wanting.
Or maybe he's just a 21 year old kid who has everything to prove before we start getting his HOF plaque shined. God forbid he has to spend the year in the AHL. I think some people would loes their minds.
I don't dislike Nils Lundkvist at all. I think he can be a very good player, maybe even a special player. But to tout him as a "special player" before he ever sets foot on NHL ice is way premature in my estimation. Maybe he will be "special" and maybe he will do it right out of the gate. Or maybe he will struggle and have to spend time in the AHL. And maybe all the hype surrounding him will end up being justified or maybe it won't. But there's absolutely no way to declare him "the next one" (one of what Im not sure) at this point and time.
At least wait until we see him in preseason lol.
And I would still trade him right now for an "equivalent" young center. A center who is also SUPPOSED TO BE "special". Because right now, that's what we are dealing with. A lot of cases of the "supposdas". But also, Fox is "special" like legitimately. Schneider is also "supposda" be "special" but with even more "necessary" attributes. So we will see. Lundqvist may have to switch sides to LD. Where we have a few more cases of the "supposdas" in Jones, Miller and eventually Robertson. And sure, right now you might be saying "Ugh you can't compare Lundkvist with Jones or Milller! Lundkvist is SUPPOSDA be better than both of them." and yea, he is supposda be. But that don't mean he is. And I think 2-3 years ago, if anyone had said "I prefer Fox to Quinn Hughes" you would have gotten bottles and litter thrown at you and told to just go away. But Fox now looks like the superior player, in numerous ways. Just an example that, "supposda" is another way of saying "the odds are" which is, clearly, a connotation to gambling. Which is what everyone making predictions is doing. We could be sitting here in 3 years from now saying "thank goodness we kept Jones instead of Lundkvist." And I'm sure there would be plenty of revisionist history to go along with it. Many post-hoc prophets.
And anyway, if he can bring back return the other two can't, that's meaningful if we are talking about, completely hypothetically, what we could get in return. And the entire reason we would hypothetically need to trade him, is to get a young center that is, again, "supposda" be "special". Well, you're not getting a young center who's "supposda" be "special" unless you give up a D prospect that is also "supposda" be special.
And hey, maybe Lundqvist will come into trainijng camp and we will all be drooling, with mouths agape, images of Brian Leetch and Kris Letang juxtaposing themselves over our mental image of Lundkvist. And he makes Fox look like an AHL cast off. And angels come down and proclaim him the anointed one, the Maud'dib of a spiceless universe. And we all start crying because his play, inexplicably inhuman, surrounded by a glowing halo, proves my skepticism wanting.
Or maybe he's just a 21 year old kid who has everything to prove before we start getting his HOF plaque shined. God forbid he has to spend the year in the AHL. I think some people would loes their minds.
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