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rangers1314 said:
I dont see how the agent change makes any difference to Adams and his price for JE.

Jack is frustrated and took out said frustration on the thing he controls, his reps.
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I mean maybe. We have no idea what their relationship is. Or what his old agent had been telling him. There's a whole host of reasons he might want to change agents. Including, but not limited to, his agent lying to him, his agent being overly selfish and greedy, them just not getting a long at all, having different ideas about the future etc...

There's no way to tell. But there are scenarios where this could help the situation a bit, or if nothing else, allow the two sides to come a little closer together.
 
brakeyawself said:
Carried over from last thread.... Nils Lundkvist.

I don't dislike Nils Lundkvist at all. I think he can be a very good player, maybe even a special player. But to tout him as a "special player" before he ever sets foot on NHL ice is way premature in my estimation. Maybe he will be "special" and maybe he will do it right out of the gate. Or maybe he will struggle and have to spend time in the AHL. And maybe all the hype surrounding him will end up being justified or maybe it won't. But there's absolutely no way to declare him "the next one" (one of what Im not sure) at this point and time.

At least wait until we see him in preseason lol.

And I would still trade him right now for an "equivalent" young center. A center who is also SUPPOSED TO BE "special". Because right now, that's what we are dealing with. A lot of cases of the "supposdas". But also, Fox is "special" like legitimately. Schneider is also "supposda" be "special" but with even more "necessary" attributes. So we will see. Lundqvist may have to switch sides to LD. Where we have a few more cases of the "supposdas" in Jones, Miller and eventually Robertson. And sure, right now you might be saying "Ugh you can't compare Lundkvist with Jones or Milller! Lundkvist is SUPPOSDA be better than both of them." and yea, he is supposda be. But that don't mean he is. And anyway, if he can bring back return the other two can't, that's meaningful if we are talking about, completely hypothetically, what we could get in return. And the entire reason we would hypothetically need to trade him, is to get a young center that is, again, "supposda" be "special". Well, you're not getting a young center who's "supposda" be "special" unless you give up a D prospect that is also "supposda" be special.

And hey, maybe Lundqvist will come into trainijng camp and we will all be drooling, with mouths agape, images of Brian Leetch and Kris Letang juxtaposing themselves over our mental image of Lundkvist. And he makes Fox look like an AHL cast off. And angels come down and proclaim him the anointed one, the Maud'dib of a spiceless universe. And we all start crying because his play, inexplicably inhuman, surrounded by a glowing halo, proves my skepticism wanting.

Or maybe he's just a 21 year old kid who has everything to prove before we start getting his HOF plaque shined. God forbid he has to spend the year in the AHL. I think some people would loes their minds.
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He’s going to have to move to the left eventually to get the time he needs to thrive and show off his best attributes. He’ll be fine on 3rd pair this season, but if they want to really show off his arsenal he’s going to need substantial minutes in the top 4 and on the PP. with the way this team is built, it’s not going to happen on the right side for at least 3 more seasons. If you keep him in a 3rd pair role that long your not really helping his development or trade value.
Not to mention Schneider coming up like a freight train behind him, Schneider will likely be ready for a 3rd pair role by next season, and over that 2 year period he’ll likely eat into more of Trouba’s minutes until it’s possible to trade him.
The fact still remains 3 seasons is the earliest we trade Jake, if at all. That timetable and the way the D corps is currently constructed doesn’t bode well for Lundkvists long term Future/success on the NYR blue line
Injuries happen and it’s always great to have talent in excess, but nils value is pretty sky high right now. I don’t see how it gets any higher without him proving he can play hard top 4 minutes and adding significant offense at the nhl level
 
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jay from jersey said:
He’s going to have to move to the left eventually to get the time he needs to thrive and show off his best attributes. He’ll be fine on 3rd pair this season, but if they want to really show off his arsenal he’s going to need substantial minutes in the top 4 and on the PP. with the way this team is built,
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Probably, but we don't know how well he will play at LD. How his skills will translate. And you can say the same thing for every single prospect we have who is yet to prove themselves. All young players need opportunity to prove themselves. So he's obviously going to have to prove he deserves that, he will have to earn that, in direct competition with our other young Dmen. And no matter what anyone thinks is "supposda" happen, no one knows what actually will. Again, Jones could step out onto the ice, look like Fox 2.0 (which many people have compared him to) and relegate Lundqvist to 3 months in the AHL. Not saying that's going to happen or likely to happen. But it's not like that can't happen or won't happen. And I think the "odds" or the chances of things not going "according to plan" are actually fairly significant in this world of player analysis and prediction. Or at least, in the world of "possibility", in the "what if? " of it all, right now Jones, Miller and Lundqvist are a lot closer in possibility than I think people are willing to accept.

Again, if 2 or 3 years ago you had said "I prefer Adam Fox to Quinn Hughes" you would have gotten chased out of wherever you live with pitchforks and torches. But now look what happened.
 
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brakeyawself said:
Probably, but we don't know how well he will play at LD. How his skills will translate. And you can say the same thing for every single prospect we have who is yet to prove themselves. All young players need opportunity to prove themselves. So he's obviously going to have to prove he deserves that, he will have to earn that, in direct competition with our other young Dmen. And no matter what anyone thinks is "supposda" happen, no one knows what actually will. Again, Jones could step out onto the ice, look like Fox 2.0 (which many people of compared him to) and relegate Lundqvist to 3 months in the AHL. Not saying that's going to happen or likely to happen. But it's not like that can't happen or won't happen. And I think the "odds" or the chances of things not going "according to plan" are actually fairly significant in this world of player analysis and prediction. Or at least, in the world of "possibility", in the "what if? " of it all, right now Jones, Miller and Lundqvist are a lot closer in possibility than I think people are willing to accept.

Again, if 2 or 3 years ago you had said "I prefer Adam Fox to Quinn Hughes" you would have gotten chased out of wherever you live with pitchforks and torches. But now look what happened.
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Yup I can see that. It’s all about who shows up when they get the opportunity to do so. If they don’t get the opportunity/ice time and are blocked from doing what they do best, or we have a guy that does it better already the likely scenario would be a trade.
I think Schneider and especially Barron are going to surprise so folks at camp
 
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jay from jersey said:
Yup I can see that. It’s all about who shows up when they get the opportunity to do so. If they don’t get the opportunity/ice time and are blocked from doing what they do best, or we have a guy that does it better already the likely scenario would be a trade.
I think Schneider and especially Barron are going to surprise so folks at camp
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I wouldn’t be surprised if Barron finds a home in the top 6.
 
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jay from jersey said:
Yup I can see that. It’s all about who shows up when they get the opportunity to do so. If they don’t get the opportunity/ice time and are blocked from doing what they do best, or we have a guy that does it better already the likely scenario would be a trade.
I think Schneider and especially Barron are going to surprise so folks at camp
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Out of all our young D, I am most excited about Schneider. His size, physicality, defensive ability, combined with very good, but perhaps not great offensive ability, is EXACTLY what we need on our second pair behind Fox. While having a two way player, who has a bit more offensive potential, but lacks in the physicality and strength department, would be nice too, that's basically what we have in Fox. Schneider brings a whole different dimension. Which is why I truly think he's the most "untouchable" of all our unproven D prospects right now, even ahead of Lundkvist.

As far as Barron goes, I know last seasons AHL was depleted and not the same level of competition as usual, but Barron took advantage of that and more. PPG for an AHL rookie is nothing to scoff at, even if it was in the low quality year. I'm not sure how his grooming for center is going, but I actually think he can be more than just a bottom 6 forward. Not sure he has top 6 upside, but I would say middle 6 isn't out of reach. And while he's not going to replace Panarin or Laf on the top two lines at LW, and he won't beat out Kreider for the 3LW job, they may have to find a spot for him if he forces the situation. I really don't know whether or not he can play at RW, but if at some point he ended up playing as 2 or 3 RW, I wouldn't be shocked. (Pending that he can play RW lol). And I don't know how far a long he is at his center progress, but if he is capable and ready in that department, there's a possibility he could make his way onto the team sometime during the season as a 3C. Which would mean Gallant would have some shifting to do. Anyway, I am sure there are many who know more about Barron than me, so maybe they'd be able to answer those questions of his RW ability and how far a long his center training he is. This is the situation I think that would allow Chytil to be moved to 2C and Strome to 2RW. If Barron was ready to take the 3C role. He'd have Kreider at LW and I guess Kravtsov at RW. And that's really not a bad top 3 lines at all, if Barron deserves it of course.
 
brakeyawself said:
Out of all our young D, I am most excited about Schneider. His size, physicality, defensive ability, combined with very good, but perhaps not great offensive ability, is EXACTLY what we need on our second pair behind Fox. While having a two way player, who has a bit more offensive potential, but lacks in the physicality and strength department, would be nice too, that's basically what we have in Fox. Schneider brings a whole different dimension. Which is why I truly think he's the most "untouchable" of all our unproven D prospects right now, even ahead of Lundkvist.

As far as Barron goes, I know last seasons AHL was depleted and not the same level of competition as usual, but Barron took advantage of that and more. PPG for an AHL rookie is nothing to scoff at, even if it was in the low quality year. I'm not sure how his grooming for center is going, but I actually think he can be more than just a bottom 6 forward. Not sure he has top 6 upside, but I would say middle 6 isn't out of reach. And while he's not going to replace Panarin or Laf on the top two lines at LW, and he won't beat out Kreider for the 3LW job, they may have to find a spot for him if he forces the situation. I really don't know whether or not he can play at RW, but if at some point he ended up playing as 2 or 3 RW, I wouldn't be shocked. (Pending that he can play RW lol). And I don't know how far a long he is at his center progress, but if he is capable and ready in that department, there's a possibility he could make his way onto the team sometime during the season as a 3C. Which would mean Gallant would have some shifting to do. Anyway, I am sure there are many who know more about Barron than me, so maybe they'd be able to answer those questions of his RW ability and how far a long his center training he is. This is the situation I think that would allow Chytil to be moved to 2C and Strome to 2RW. If Barron was ready to take the 3C role. He'd have Kreider at LW and I guess Kravtsov at RW. And that's really not a bad top 3 lines at all, if Barron deserves it of course.
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Yea.
A kreider-Barron-Goodrow 3rd line would be pretty relentless on the forecheck. All 3 players aren’t small and are hard to move. They also have enough skill on that line to score those dirty goals.
Kreider-Barron-Kravtsov would also be a pretty interesting trio if you ask me
 
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Uninstaaled said:
I’m pretty sure we can get the aav down on Zib too so if we give him 8 years.

we shouldn’t give him 8 years though.
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We can give him 8 years and the aav he wants, but its going to take two to Tango and a structured salary that is either tradable or buy out worthy in the 6, 7, and 8th year.

Just how smart is Ziby and his agent as it pertains to his age vs that 5 year mark and the 35+ rule vs. his back-nine years and one last contract? Or, cash on now short term 5y- at big dollars and bounce off into DJ Rave land in his mid/late 30's.

Dude is a free spirit, only he knows where the path leads?

Does he want 5x$10=$50? With protection. Or, 8x$8=$64? And we shingle the 6-8 years on a declining scale with a NO nmc/ntc in the back half?
 
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