Speculation: Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXIII

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Although I’m thinking grit was on the future agenda, it’s a shame the last regime kinda ignored what happened vs Carolina and treated last season as a dress rehearsal. I think this team is much better equipped.

I don't think they really wanted to ignore it but last offseason was a shitshow, teams were being incredibly cautious about moves that impacted the cap, there weren't a ton of good options as I recall via FA, so the Rangers didn't force something through in a pandemic messed up offseason with an uncertain cap and other teams being cautious
Maybe they should have but I"m not totally sure a lot was there
 
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Most of the top guys do.

His ES production has still been good though. Even last year despite the early season suckage its not like a large portion of his production came on the PP.

I'm more worried about what his ES production is going to look like in the coming years and that he'll age into an expensive PP specialist. That shot is the last thing that goes.
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It's his defining factor. I understand that players like Kucherov and McDavid destroy the PP but that's the cherry on top. Mika is opportunistic at ES but he doesn't dominate like those players. He's elite on the PP and a roller coaster at Even-Strength. I don't know how much was system and coaching but he also flourished, production wise, under Quinn.

That's my point as well. He has a lot of similarities with Stamkos. They're both good players but I don't think they will be the defining reasons leading us to playoff success. Stamkos played little to no role in both cup victories. The Lightning are now hamstrung by his contract and NMC.

I'm so wishy washy on paying him.
 
I"m not a GM but I just don't see a lot of options for the Rangers if they want to have a contention window during Panarin's time here if they don't either extend Zibanejad or trade for Eichel.
Maybe they could convince him on shorter term for more money or something I dunno
but yeah in the end it's going to have to be guys like Panarin, Lafreniere, and Kakko carrying the team to success in the playoffs I think, which makes it tough to want to pay Zibanejad like a tip top center
Then again...we'll see what he can do under a new coach
 
The Rangers need Zibanejad and Zibanejad and his agent brother know this. His numbers the last two years were very good but his start to last season after recovering from COVID should bring his price down by quite a bit. How many of his points were in the two blowouts against Philly? He wasn't an effective top 6 forward the majority of the season but was one of the best in the league when he felt like it and was fully recovered from COVID.

6 years, $50 million should be the deal. Modified NMC the first year, full NTC the following two years, and a modified NTC the last three years. NMC years are when the Rangers Cup window will be wide open if everything goes according to plan.

Zibanejad and his camp want $10 million per season long term. Drury learned well from Gorton on running a tight ship. Nothing has leaked to the media unless they've wanted it to. The Goodrow signing, Nemeth signing, etc. Those are nuggets Sather gave to Brooksie. The Rangers offer hasn't leaked, but would imaginable be for about 5 years and $35 million. The Landeskog extension in Colorado took until the 11th hour. Both teams were really far apart until the last minute when the team blinked. The Rangers can't blink on Zibanejad.

The plan was to acquire Eichel and have Zibanejad on the team too? Good luck to them. Won't happen without significant retention to the tune of at least 33% for the next five years. It doesn't even fit the Rangers cap. Where is the money coming from to give a second contract to Fox and Lafreniere? Fox is going to command mega bucks. Lafreniere arrived late in the season and was close to a point per game player down the stretch. No bridge contract for him. Unless both break out this year, Kravtsov and Kakko can both be bridged. Kick their cans down the road a bit until the cap starts going up again.

Drury will need to be smart with the length of contracts he gives out. Goodrow for 6 years wasn't a good start. Chytil being bridged is just ok. Shesterkin for 4 years was just ok, and depending on who you ask, wasn't very smart. He paid 500K more than market value for each player and one was already drafted by and on the team. Not a good start, IMO. We will see, though.

Lock Zibanejad up at a team friendly deal, give him an A for his jersey and call it a day. His teammates like him and he's good for thr room based on everything I've seen and read. Larkin is the guy to go after to bring some speed and forechecking up the middle to compliment the skill wingers in Panarin, Kravtsov, and Lafreniere. Kakko is going to end up more a two way winger than offensive dynamo that has some great skill, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Trade for Larkin next summer after self renting Strome for the year and discuss extension right away. Sell the team as ready to contend right in that moment and tell him let's get to work. He can always go back to Detroit in his 30's when they'll be ready to contend again. They have a long road in front of them. Drury's new AGM will give him the full scouting report on him.

Defense is set barring catastrophic injuries that pigeonhole out friend Hajek into playing more than he should. A healthy Shesterkin and this team finishes 2nd or 3rd with the potential to win the division this year.

Buckle up. It's going to be a ride the next couple of years.
 
The Rangers need Zibanejad and Zibanejad and his agent brother know this. His numbers the last two years were very good but his start to last season after recovering from COVID should bring his price down by quite a bit. How many of his points were in the two blowouts against Philly? He wasn't an effective top 6 forward the majority of the season but was one of the best in the league when he felt like it and was fully recovered from COVID.

6 years, $50 million should be the deal. Modified NMC the first year, full NTC the following two years, and a modified NTC the last three years. NMC years are when the Rangers Cup window will be wide open if everything goes according to plan.

Zibanejad and his camp want $10 million per season long term. Drury learned well from Gorton on running a tight ship. Nothing has leaked to the media unless they've wanted it to. The Goodrow signing, Nemeth signing, etc. Those are nuggets Sather gave to Brooksie. The Rangers offer hasn't leaked, but would imaginable be for about 5 years and $35 million. The Landeskog extension in Colorado took until the 11th hour. Both teams were really far apart until the last minute when the team blinked. The Rangers can't blink on Zibanejad.

The plan was to acquire Eichel and have Zibanejad on the team too? Good luck to them. Won't happen without significant retention to the tune of at least 33% for the next five years. It doesn't even fit the Rangers cap. Where is the money coming from to give a second contract to Fox and Lafreniere? Fox is going to command mega bucks. Lafreniere arrived late in the season and was close to a point per game player down the stretch. No bridge contract for him. Unless both break out this year, Kravtsov and Kakko can both be bridged. Kick their cans down the road a bit until the cap starts going up again.

Drury will need to be smart with the length of contracts he gives out. Goodrow for 6 years wasn't a good start. Chytil being bridged is just ok. Shesterkin for 4 years was just ok, and depending on who you ask, wasn't very smart. He paid 500K more than market value for each player and one was already drafted by and on the team. Not a good start, IMO. We will see, though.

Lock Zibanejad up at a team friendly deal, give him an A for his jersey and call it a day. His teammates like him and he's good for thr room based on everything I've seen and read. Larkin is the guy to go after to bring some speed and forechecking up the middle to compliment the skill wingers in Panarin, Kravtsov, and Lafreniere. Kakko is going to end up more a two way winger than offensive dynamo that has some great skill, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Trade for Larkin next summer after self renting Strome for the year and discuss extension right away. Sell the team as ready to contend right in that moment and tell him let's get to work. He can always go back to Detroit in his 30's when they'll be ready to contend again. They have a long road in front of them. Drury's new AGM will give him the full scouting report on him.

Defense is set barring catastrophic injuries that pigeonhole out friend Hajek into playing more than he should. A healthy Shesterkin and this team finishes 2nd or 3rd with the potential to win the division this year.

Buckle up. It's going to be a ride the next couple of years.

I don't see why his start to last season will have any affect on his contract whatsoever. They're just going to say it was related to COVID.
 
30 points wouldn’t be a failure for Kravtsov if he isn’t getting PP time.


Don't be a pessimist my friend. This isn't a Kakko or Laf we're talking about here, this is Vitali Kravtsov. A whole different animal. Want to do an SB Cash bet? :naughty:

Laf was way better down the stretch than Krav was.

Laf was better down the stretch than Buch too.
 
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Mika’s contract is going to come in around 8.5 to 9 million over 7 years

He’s a top 20 center in the league, these guys get paid, flat cap be damned. He’s probably getting better offers than that if he hits UFA
 
30 points wouldn’t be a failure for Kravtsov if he isn’t getting PP time.




Laf was way better down the stretch than Krav was.

Laf was better down the stretch than Buch too.
I don't think Laf was that good at any point but people convince themselves otherwise, look at our GDT's Kravtsov was getting voted top 3 starts nearly every game he played. Kravtsov was way more noticeable than Laf
 
I don't think Laf was that good at any point but people convince themselves otherwise, look at our GDT's Kravtsov was getting voted top 3 starts nearly every game he played. Kravtsov was way more noticeable than Laf

Over the last 26 games, Laf was 3rd on the team in p/60 5v5 (behind Panarin and Chytil.)

All world Buch was 5th over the same stretch of games.

Kravtsov was noticeable and great for like 8 games. He faded pretty hard after that.
 
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Nah. They traded Buch to open up ice time. Kravtsov has played plenty of pro hockey in the K. 30 points is a failure.

Content: 40s
Happy: 50s
Ecstatic: 60s
Splooge worthy: @EdJovanovski's prediction
I don’t see this. Like, at all.

He was on a 16 point pace over an 82 game season in his limited time last year. I’m supposed to believe he’ll score 40 points (at mostly even strength since PP1 will still get the bulk of the 5v4 ice time) because of a modest bump in ice time?
 
I think we need to temper expectations for any of the young players. 30 points and 80 games for Kravtsov in his first season in North America would be a solid season. Especially if we see improvement and a growing 2-way game.
 
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I think we need to temper expectations for any of the young players. 30 points and 80 games for Kravtsov in his first season in North America would be a solid season. Especially if we see improvement and a growing 2-way game.
Shit, I’d rather apply those content/happy/ecstatic tiers to Kakko.
 
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Over the last 26 games, Laf was 3rd on the team in p/60 5v5 (behind Panarin and Chytil.)

All world Buch was 5th over the same stretch of games.

Kravtsov was noticeable and great for like 8 games. He faded pretty hard after that.
Cherry pick all the stats you like, we all know Kravtsov looked better my man. The biggest knock against our team is skating and Kravtsov's skates melt through the top layer of ice like a knife through butter, he does crossovers with style & grace building up momentum while his gorgeous dirty blonde locs blow in the wind. He's a true marvel to watch.
 
I don’t see this. Like, at all.

He was on a 16 point pace over an 82 game season in his limited time last year. I’m supposed to believe he’ll score 40 points (at mostly even strength since PP1 will still get the bulk of the 5v4 ice time) because of a modest bump in ice time?

You better hope so if he's in the top 6, playing on a line with either Panarin or Zibanejad.
 
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