Some details about the World Cup...

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They had a European Championship in Germany a few years ago - the tickets to the matches costed fewer than the local bus ticket and included just that. :)

Ok so maybe there are a few football players outside of NA :)

But I don't think it'd make for a very interesting tournament.

Basketball is one-sided enough in favour of the US but upsets and close games do happen. Football would be an absolute slaughter.

NFL all-stars vs .... Germany? The players would be embarrassed to take part.
 
If you can get enough Canadians to get into this tourney like the WJHC, that might be fine enough with Americans/Europeans not paying attention. (I feel more sure this tourney gets ignored by America than Europeans, but still feel overall both areas will ignore it)

The ratings in US NHL cities were really good in 1996 and 2004. Since the 2005 lockout interest in hockey has grown even more in the States. I personally have been starving for the World Cup to come back and so have just about every US hockey fans I know.
 
The ratings in US NHL cities were really good in 1996 and 2004. Since the 2005 lockout interest in hockey has grown even more in the States. I personally have been starving for the World Cup to come back and so have just about every US hockey fans I know.

2004 got beaten by poker and it was on ESPN then...
 
In the end though, the NHL/NHLPA's goal is to simply make money off this. If you can get enough Canadians to get into this tourney like the WJHC, that might be fine enough with Americans/Europeans not paying attention. (I feel more sure this tourney gets ignored by America than Europeans, but still feel overall both areas will ignore it)

Ya... only a few details have been leaked and nothing has been confirmed but so far IMHO this sounds like the least ambitious WCup yet. A can't help but think this is going to feel more like a Winter Classic type event than a prestigious international tournament, which is fine, but I was/am hoping for something more.

2004 got beaten by poker and it was on ESPN then...

...and I believe '96 was broadcast on the then obscure FX.
 
Summer Olympic year like 2016 is basically three seasons after and one before the Winter Olympics.

So basically twelve months of NHL is one season of NHL and 21 months of NHL is three seasons of NHL. That's some really interesting math for an uneducated guy like myself.
 
It does make more sense from the view of the NHL owners, but it might not from the point of view of the players. I think that if the NHL tries to skip the Olympics they will have to fight the NHLPA over it.

I don't think it would be much of a fight. However the revenue of the tournament is shared between the participation nations or however it's set up, the NHL's share would be HRR, no?
 
It's obviously not "less fair" to put a team at a slight disadvantage than to eliminate it altogether.

Slight?

In 2002 Slovakia was put into qualifying with "minnow" hockey countries and didn't make it through with their thinned roster, guys either unable to play or being shuttled across North America.... then a mere three months later they won the world championship while none of those other teams even made the semi-finals. Not only did Slovakia outpace their fellow Olympic qualifying countries at the Worlds, but also rosters of other established nations which while not fully stocked, were still much better than the rosters of those other countries that had to go through Olympic qualifying. This leads me to the pretty logical conclusion that Slovakia got hosed by the Olympic qualifying process.

The "qualifying" that takes place for a World Cup tournament is the data gleaned from prior international competition and how established players of these countries are in their respective leagues. The hockey hierachy is fairly clear at this point. You can say that's flawed... but clearly an actual qualifying process can be flawed too and it would be silly to say otherwise. I'm confident in which one produces more accurate results in determining better teams.


What a stupid reasoning. I guess in 2002 they should have made Sweden play the semi-final disirregardless of the actual result on the ice. What kind of uninteresting tournament is that where they allow Belarus to knock out better teams?

An "uninteresting tournament" that had one terrible semi-final and an equally terrible bronze medal game. When Belarus beat Sweden, did you think that this was an upstart country on the rise who had a legitimate chance of establishing hockey supremacy? Or did you think that they were a team that merely caught lightning in a bottle and would be exposed in the next (two) game(s)? As a Canadian, seeing Canada win at the Olympics with NHLers for the first time was an amazing experience, but that semi-final against Belarus is the least memorable part of it. Belarus's upset over Sweden made for a great moment, sure, but the tournament on the whole would have been better if Slovakia was in it instead.

I'm not bothered by the fact that the Olympics has 12 twelve teams, but I also know you can cut the tournament down to 8 and it makes the quality of play stronger. It's been twelve years since that Belarus upset over Sweden, and in that time ZERO of these cinderella teams have made it into even the semi-finals of the Olympic tournaments. And in 13 WHC since the Belarus upset, outside of the eight World Cup teams I'd propose having, only ONCE has a team outside that group made the final 4 (Germany in 2010). Are any of these other countries loaded with players dominating in the NHL & top European leagues?

If you have a World Cup with players from all major leagues available, and have Canada/USA/Russia/Sweden/Finland/Czech/Slovakia/Swiss as the participants, the winner will be a legitimate world champion, I have no doubt of that.
 
World champions are world champions, World Cup winners are World Cup winners. No matter how good players they get together, the NHL has no right to organize legitimate world championships.
 
I feel like this 'don't care' thing is much overrated. I have friends in the Czech republic and according to them, there are many people who like the idea of World Cup. Actually, many people like it more than Olympics because it has tradition and many people - even in Canada and USA - think that olympics should not be for professionals, but rather an opportunity for amateurs. I totally agree.
 
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That's a moot point, even a big disadvantage is still better than being denied the chance to even play.

In 2002 Slovakia was put into qualifying with "minnow" hockey countries and didn't make it through with their thinned roster, guys either unable to play or being shuttled across North America.... then a mere three months later they won the world championship while none of those other teams even made the semi-finals. Not only did Slovakia outpace their fellow Olympic qualifying countries at the Worlds, but also rosters of other established nations which while not fully stocked, were still much better than the rosters of those other countries that had to go through Olympic qualifying. This leads me to the pretty logical conclusion that Slovakia got hosed by the Olympic qualifying process.
Slovakia got hosed by the format of the Olympic tournament and the NHL not shutting down for the 1st round rendering several players unavailable, but the rest of your reasoning is severely flawed.

First, Slovakia did not even have to go through the qualifyiers and was through to the Olympics automatically, by virtue of having finished 7th at the 1999 World Championships, their best WCH placing
ever at that point. They had done absolutely nothing to deserve being ranked higher than 7th.

Whatever happened after 1999, let alone after the 2002 Olympics, cannot possibly been used to determine whether or not Slovakia should have been seeded higher than 7th. The 2002 Worlds are therefore completely irrelevant.

The "qualifying" that takes place for a World Cup tournament is the data gleaned from prior international competition and how established players of these countries are in their respective leagues. The hockey hierachy is fairly clear at this point.
No, how established players of these countries are in their respective leagues does not determine any kind of hierarchy.

An "uninteresting tournament" that had one terrible semi-final and an equally terrible bronze medal game. When Belarus beat Sweden, did you think that this was an upstart country on the rise who had a legitimate chance of establishing hockey supremacy? Or did you think that they were a team that merely caught lightning in a bottle and would be exposed in the next (two) game(s)?

It's been twelve years since that Belarus upset over Sweden, and in that time ZERO of these cinderella teams have made it into even the semi-finals of the Olympic tournaments.
I thought it was great, a welcome change from other hockey tournaments where the same teams always reach the last 4 all the time.

If it's a one-off and they're unlikely to repeat that only makes it even better.
 
many people - even in Canada and USA - think that olympics should not be for professionals, but rather an opportunity for amateurs.
What do you mean "even in Canada and USA"? This utter BS that the Olympics should not be for professionals is typical of Canada and the USA.
 
Yes, the Europeans never sent anything but the best they could, so the whole thinking doesn't exist here. Sure at some point especially Sweden and Finland started to have players in the WHA and later in the NHL as well, but even at that point no one considered the Olympic teams to be amateur - after all the stars of the domestic leagues were participating and no one was following North American hockey anyway.
 
Yes, the Europeans never sent anything but the best they could, so the whole thinking doesn't exist here. Sure at some point especially Sweden and Finland started to have players in the WHA and later in the NHL as well, but even at that point no one considered the Olympic teams to be amateur - after all the stars of the domestic leagues were participating and no one was following North American hockey anyway.

You're aware that prior to 1988 only amateurs were allowed?
 
I have no sympathy for the IIHF. They could have set up their own 'best vs best' tournament over the years but chose not to.
 
I don't think there's anyone that would take the amateur status of players like Helminen, Näslund or Kühnhackl seriously. Nevermind all the Soviet or Czechoslovak pros.

That's true of course, but you said "the whole thinking doesn't exist here" and "no one considered the Olympic teams to be amateur". If it was that simple, it wouldn't have been necessary to pretend those players were amateurs. The amateur idea and the original Olympic movement are European inventions.
 
For Europeans it was for years nothing more than a dead rule on paper, the Canadians couldn't send their pros and then withdrew altogether for a couple of years but for the others it was pretty much business as usual all the way. You sent your best players and that was that, if someone else couldn't then it was their problem and not many would even know who that Bobby Orr was anyway.
 
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