Why not just use the IIHF work-rankings or take the top 8-10 finishers from the previous WHC?
Germany replaced Finland at the 1984 Canada Cup due to having finished higher at the Olympics that year.
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Why not just use the IIHF work-rankings or take the top 8-10 finishers from the previous WHC?
Germany replaced Finland at the 1984 Canada Cup due to having finished higher at the Olympics that year.
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Still not super pumped about this. Still prefer the way MLB/NPB/etc run the WBC as partners vs the NHL solely running it. WBC benefits multiple leagues/organizations with mandated %s of revenue needing to go to the Federations for development. I would like the World Cup more as a fan if I knew the sport was benefiting more as a whole but no details there right now. It just feels too much like a quick cash-grab.
Other than that, Summer hockey dressed up as a World Cup just feels wrong when we already had the perfect midseason/midform tourney. I was really hoping the NHL would have wised up to that and suspended the season since they are getting the revenues anyway. To me, the Olympic product is still better and I dont see this tourney as a perfect replacement.
Lastly, I hope this time the NHL does not interfere with player selection. Going off another message board of users who follow this stuff closely, the Czech team was heavily pressured to use more NHLers than they felt they needed.
Other than that, Summer hockey dressed up as a World Cup just feels wrong when we already had the perfect midseason/midform tourney. I was really hoping the NHL would have wised up to that and suspended the season since they are getting the revenues anyway. To me, the Olympic product is still better and I dont see this tourney as a perfect replacement.
Lastly, I hope this time the NHL does not interfere with player selection. Going off another message board of users who follow this stuff closely, the Czech team was heavily pressured to use more NHLers than they felt they needed.
In the WC, the IIHF mandates neutral country officials refereeing all games, as opposed to the World Cup, where only Canadians and a handful of American referees work games when their home country is a participant. In hosting the tournament, I am sure that all of the European countries would have bid to host it if that were on the table because of the money that it would have generated.
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Interview with Tretiak regarding World Cup 2016.
http://hockey.sport-express.ru/reviews/49071/
'' Last weekend ended with the traditional six-month work IIHF Congress. It NHL and the union of the North American hockey league made a formal proposal to revive the 2016 World Cup.
Fer to continue the thought Dale
If the plans to revive the World Cup come to life, in 2016, this tournament will celebrate its 40th anniversary. The first 20 years of its existence, it was held under the title "Canada Cup". And before the NHL came to the decision to let their stars to the Olympic Games, with every right to be considered the best hockey tournament of the world. Because he was the only one able to gather all the best masters, acting in the national championship, North America and European leagues.
In 1996, the "Canada Cup" was renamed the World Cup. His last rally was held from 30 August to 14 September 2004,. Russian national team at that competition drove Zinetula Bilyaletdinov, mainly goalkeepers in the headquarters of the national team was Vladislav Tretiak, and ice hockey players came out 11, to pursue a career and to this day: Kovalchuk, Datsyuk, Ovechkin, Markov, Gonchar, Bryzgalov, Afinogenov, Kalinin, Kozlov, Volchenkov and Frolov. It is obvious that a real chance to play at the World Cup in 2016 are only the first four stars in this list.
Talk about the revival of the tournament began immediately after the Olympics in Vancouver. Our country has taken the initiative to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the 1972 Summit Series with new matches between the Olympic national team of Russia and Canada. NHL has put forward a counter-proposal: in 2012, to hold the World Cup with eight teams. But then the tournament run failed due to a conflict of interests overseas league and union ignited having eaten half of the season shutout.
During the World Cup 2013 FHR President Vladislav Tretiak told me about the outcome of the meeting with Bill Daley, "Vice-President of the NHL announced that they want to play the World Cup. After the Sochi Olympics. Year is not yet known. Matches proposed to carry out in Europe and America, the tournament - August-September. "
Finally, at the end in the IIHF Congress weekend transatlantic side came up with concrete proposals. They announced a trade union leader Donald Fehr NHL. Details specifically for the "SE" Tretiak said, according to tradition headed the delegation at the Congress of our country.
SCHEDULE "enchanted" by the NHL
- Fehr presented a specific project of the World Cup 2016 - said the president of the Russian Hockey Federation. - Tournament proposed to carry out from 15 September to 1 October. That is, at a time when overseas traditionally gather training camp NHL. The eight participating teams. All six of the elite teams in the world: Russia, Canada, Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic, USA. Two more teams will receive invitations to the second tier. With these candidates specifics yet.
- IIHF president Rene Fasel will most likely want to see one of the two jokers their fellow Swiss, silver medalist 2013.
- At the congress he did not make such an initiative. But it is clear that the choice will be made among the teams of the circle - the Swiss, Germans, Slovaks. Fehr said that all World Cup matches they want to hold in North America. In cities across Canada and the United States. Europe is invited to leave "warm-up": training camps and some friendlies.
It is understood that the project is only the first step. But it is quite specific. Already in October Fazel goes to New York to negotiate the details. November meeting is scheduled c OUNCIL IIHF. It was first held in Canada - Toronto. There will be new details.
- Fehr voiced the position of his office or acting on behalf of and trade union and the NHL?
- I understand that this joint proposal. To hold the World Cup in 2016, the two organizations want.
- Scored North America timeline tournament disadvantageous primarily Russia. CHL and so will start in the Old World before anyone else. And two years later, as the guide says the league will start the regular season and did in mid-August.
- Yes, the schedule of the World Cup "enchanted" by the interests of the NHL and its players. For most teams, however, play in the second half of September - not a problem. Swedes in the NHL so that you can at least three of state. In the Finnish application will be a maximum of 5 - 6 Europeans. And for Canadians with the Americans and say nothing.
We have the same half of the team, if not more, will be staffed by representatives of the League. It is unlikely that in the next two years, all the best guys leave overseas. Well, it will have to negotiate with our league. To let go of all the stars. It can not Russian national team to lose face, drop prestige advance losing the World Cup! For a country that markets itself hockey superpower, was eliminated with the best masters of the planet - a matter of honor.
Play in the World Cup will be no questions asked. Timing, however, is to adopt. Still, ten years ago, this competition started two weeks earlier than the offer in 2016. So here we are initiating negotiations, try to find a compromise. But to refuse an invitation to the tournament is unacceptable. After the Sochi Olympics want to re-evaluate the competitiveness of our hockey. As we look at the background of the brightest stars in the world. In addition to the composition of the elite Canadians Russian has not played since the time of Vancouver 2010.
Refuseniks WAS NOT
- At the World Cup 2016 with our "Maple Leaf" certainly will drive in the same group.
- As I understand it, have such plans. Well, it is logical. Hype around such a match would be crazy. It interesting for overseas public only finals Russia - Canada.
By the way, the question of the participation of NHL players in the Olympic tournament 2018 is still open. It is planned to raise at the next meeting of the commission of the IOC.
- In 2016 to create ice-class teams of the world will be all the common efforts. And earn on this product plans only NHL?
- While the commercial aspects were not discussed. However, I asked Fehr: "Who will pay for insurance for participating in today's match of the World Cup?" The head of the union could not answer specifically. Promised to return to this problem later. Previously, a Canada Cup organizing committee only part solid premium paid. And now the world has changed. The amounts in the contracts the best players of the world - too (smiles).
In North America, the desire to revive the World Cup has matured, but on the way to the launch event to discuss a lot of important issues. Insurance - are huge. At the Sochi Olympics of payment took the IOC. But now? The organizing committee of the tournament? So in fact there is a risk that the amount of insurance is greater than the one that you can make money on the World Cup. (For his part in the world championships star level Kovalchuk, Ovechkin and Crosby need to make 500 thousand dollars. If we talk about the Olympics, the amounts grow to millions. This World Cup players whose contracts, and accordingly, and insurance are at an elite financial level, will be the most conservative estimate of about 80 people. - Approx. AK).
- As the IIHF refers to the revival of the World Cup?
- Fazel noted that for the world of hockey is - good. And by the way, none of the potential of the participating countries at the Congress did not say that she had no desire to go to the competition. Holiday will be something really big. And useful for our team. Do not have to wait for the 2018 Olympics to show themselves at the highest level.
Of course, to protect their interests will be. And to negotiate favorable terms for Russia to participate in the World Cup. But the trip across the ocean in two years for sure. ''
http://hockey.sport-express.ru/reviews/49071/
'' Last weekend ended with the traditional six-month work IIHF Congress. It NHL and the union of the North American hockey league made a formal proposal to revive the 2016 World Cup.
Fer to continue the thought Dale
If the plans to revive the World Cup come to life, in 2016, this tournament will celebrate its 40th anniversary. The first 20 years of its existence, it was held under the title "Canada Cup". And before the NHL came to the decision to let their stars to the Olympic Games, with every right to be considered the best hockey tournament of the world. Because he was the only one able to gather all the best masters, acting in the national championship, North America and European leagues.
In 1996, the "Canada Cup" was renamed the World Cup. His last rally was held from 30 August to 14 September 2004,. Russian national team at that competition drove Zinetula Bilyaletdinov, mainly goalkeepers in the headquarters of the national team was Vladislav Tretiak, and ice hockey players came out 11, to pursue a career and to this day: Kovalchuk, Datsyuk, Ovechkin, Markov, Gonchar, Bryzgalov, Afinogenov, Kalinin, Kozlov, Volchenkov and Frolov. It is obvious that a real chance to play at the World Cup in 2016 are only the first four stars in this list.
Talk about the revival of the tournament began immediately after the Olympics in Vancouver. Our country has taken the initiative to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the 1972 Summit Series with new matches between the Olympic national team of Russia and Canada. NHL has put forward a counter-proposal: in 2012, to hold the World Cup with eight teams. But then the tournament run failed due to a conflict of interests overseas league and union ignited having eaten half of the season shutout.
During the World Cup 2013 FHR President Vladislav Tretiak told me about the outcome of the meeting with Bill Daley, "Vice-President of the NHL announced that they want to play the World Cup. After the Sochi Olympics. Year is not yet known. Matches proposed to carry out in Europe and America, the tournament - August-September. "
Finally, at the end in the IIHF Congress weekend transatlantic side came up with concrete proposals. They announced a trade union leader Donald Fehr NHL. Details specifically for the "SE" Tretiak said, according to tradition headed the delegation at the Congress of our country.
SCHEDULE "enchanted" by the NHL
- Fehr presented a specific project of the World Cup 2016 - said the president of the Russian Hockey Federation. - Tournament proposed to carry out from 15 September to 1 October. That is, at a time when overseas traditionally gather training camp NHL. The eight participating teams. All six of the elite teams in the world: Russia, Canada, Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic, USA. Two more teams will receive invitations to the second tier. With these candidates specifics yet.
- IIHF president Rene Fasel will most likely want to see one of the two jokers their fellow Swiss, silver medalist 2013.
- At the congress he did not make such an initiative. But it is clear that the choice will be made among the teams of the circle - the Swiss, Germans, Slovaks. Fehr said that all World Cup matches they want to hold in North America. In cities across Canada and the United States. Europe is invited to leave "warm-up": training camps and some friendlies.
It is understood that the project is only the first step. But it is quite specific. Already in October Fazel goes to New York to negotiate the details. November meeting is scheduled c OUNCIL IIHF. It was first held in Canada - Toronto. There will be new details.
- Fehr voiced the position of his office or acting on behalf of and trade union and the NHL?
- I understand that this joint proposal. To hold the World Cup in 2016, the two organizations want.
- Scored North America timeline tournament disadvantageous primarily Russia. CHL and so will start in the Old World before anyone else. And two years later, as the guide says the league will start the regular season and did in mid-August.
- Yes, the schedule of the World Cup "enchanted" by the interests of the NHL and its players. For most teams, however, play in the second half of September - not a problem. Swedes in the NHL so that you can at least three of state. In the Finnish application will be a maximum of 5 - 6 Europeans. And for Canadians with the Americans and say nothing.
We have the same half of the team, if not more, will be staffed by representatives of the League. It is unlikely that in the next two years, all the best guys leave overseas. Well, it will have to negotiate with our league. To let go of all the stars. It can not Russian national team to lose face, drop prestige advance losing the World Cup! For a country that markets itself hockey superpower, was eliminated with the best masters of the planet - a matter of honor.
Play in the World Cup will be no questions asked. Timing, however, is to adopt. Still, ten years ago, this competition started two weeks earlier than the offer in 2016. So here we are initiating negotiations, try to find a compromise. But to refuse an invitation to the tournament is unacceptable. After the Sochi Olympics want to re-evaluate the competitiveness of our hockey. As we look at the background of the brightest stars in the world. In addition to the composition of the elite Canadians Russian has not played since the time of Vancouver 2010.
Refuseniks WAS NOT
- At the World Cup 2016 with our "Maple Leaf" certainly will drive in the same group.
- As I understand it, have such plans. Well, it is logical. Hype around such a match would be crazy. It interesting for overseas public only finals Russia - Canada.
By the way, the question of the participation of NHL players in the Olympic tournament 2018 is still open. It is planned to raise at the next meeting of the commission of the IOC.
- In 2016 to create ice-class teams of the world will be all the common efforts. And earn on this product plans only NHL?
- While the commercial aspects were not discussed. However, I asked Fehr: "Who will pay for insurance for participating in today's match of the World Cup?" The head of the union could not answer specifically. Promised to return to this problem later. Previously, a Canada Cup organizing committee only part solid premium paid. And now the world has changed. The amounts in the contracts the best players of the world - too (smiles).
In North America, the desire to revive the World Cup has matured, but on the way to the launch event to discuss a lot of important issues. Insurance - are huge. At the Sochi Olympics of payment took the IOC. But now? The organizing committee of the tournament? So in fact there is a risk that the amount of insurance is greater than the one that you can make money on the World Cup. (For his part in the world championships star level Kovalchuk, Ovechkin and Crosby need to make 500 thousand dollars. If we talk about the Olympics, the amounts grow to millions. This World Cup players whose contracts, and accordingly, and insurance are at an elite financial level, will be the most conservative estimate of about 80 people. - Approx. AK).
- As the IIHF refers to the revival of the World Cup?
- Fazel noted that for the world of hockey is - good. And by the way, none of the potential of the participating countries at the Congress did not say that she had no desire to go to the competition. Holiday will be something really big. And useful for our team. Do not have to wait for the 2018 Olympics to show themselves at the highest level.
Of course, to protect their interests will be. And to negotiate favorable terms for Russia to participate in the World Cup. But the trip across the ocean in two years for sure. ''
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Thanks for posting that. From what I can gather Tretiak actually takes some pride in having his players compete against the best in the world, regardless of the organizing body. What a novel concept.
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Hockey gods, please give us a spot
My guess is Slovakia and Switzerland based on players and previous results.
It's terrific to see that this event has chances of being a best on best after all.
Now if there can only be a calendar that's constant, that way we would only have to wait every 2 years to watch International Hockey at it's best. Hoping they announce future World Cup's as well, would be terrific to have this event expanded and the best of all...we'll be able to watch a tournament on SMALL ICE!!! We won't have to watch the agonizing performances of players on that large sheet for a while and thank goodness, Sochi 2014 proved yet again how dull big ice is! Wish Pyeongchang 2018 would do the same. All Olympics/World Cup's should be played on the smaller ice if the IIHF is committed to showing the World the best this game has to offer.
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Indeed. I've never understood the European argument of "no IIHF equals exhibition tournament."
I don't give a damn who organizes a best-on-best event. If the best are there I'm watching. Heck, I'd be even more interested if the KHL put one on.
Other than the size of the ice, I'm not sure how the deck is stacked. Having said that, there is a greater than 50% chance Canada and the U.S. will play in the GMG.
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I like the mid-September start...better than August. hold training camp immediately after labor day, play a couple of exhibition games and away we go.
but if the NHL decides it's a no to the Olympics, then every other Federation should walk away from this. Can't have one without the other.
but if the NHL decides it's a no to the Olympics, then every other Federation should walk away from this. Can't have one without the other.
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I would really love to have both World Cup and Olympics with NHL players. But I am afraid that it won´t happen.
Corruption how? Are you suggesting the NHL will cheat to fix the tournament? International ruling bodies are some of the most corrupt organizations out there.
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That's ridiculous, the deck is much less "stacked" for the NA teams at the WCup than it is for the Euro teams at the WC.
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I believe he was just being facetious... mimicking the complaints of some of the naysayers around here who are opposed to a revived NHL/NHLPA World Cup.
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Told by high-level source that Sept. 15-Oct. 1, 2016 are working dates for reborn World Cup of Hockey. Nothing confirmed yet.
If the Basketball World Cup was ignored by America against only Baseball, the Hockey World Cup is going to get BURIED. At this point, are you only holding it for Canadian money?
Told by high-level source that Sept. 15-Oct. 1, 2016 are working dates for reborn World Cup of Hockey. Nothing confirmed yet.
If the Basketball World Cup was ignored by America against only Baseball, the Hockey World Cup is going to get BURIED. At this point, are you only holding it for Canadian money?
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