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If you look at the Canada Cup and the World Cup, the home team (team that has hosted playoff round games) won 80% of the 5 Canada Cup tournaments, and the home team in the World Cup has won 100% of the 2 tournaments, so obviously, being the home team creates an almost insurmountable advantage.

Having the best players is what creates the advantage.
 
If the NHL intends to keep all the money from this I hope the european teams boycott this.

It's too bad the IIHF isn't as powerful as FIFA so they could tell the NHL they speak when spoken to.
 
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Article on KHL participating.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

But more to the point for the KHL and its backers: It’s going to contribute some players an event that essentially promotes the NHL and in which the NHL and the NHLPA are going to keep all the profits.

From a Sov Sport editorial published Thursday titled “World Cup: A diabolical trap for KHLâ€:

And that the CHL for providing their players for, in fact, the promotion of a competitor will get in return? Money? No. All proceeds will take the NHL and its players' union. Advertising? Too - no. All the matches of the tournament will be held overseas, there will do anything to league rival any PR has not received.
 
Not just the KHL, if Switzerland participates the bulk of players will be from the NLA. They should get a piece of the cake too.
 
The number of teams participating is ridiculous considering how much better have the smaller hockey countries gotten since 2004.

I think this needs to start small and build up over the years. The first focus has to be on getting the top countries to participate. I don't know how much revenue they can realistically generate, probably not enough to be an incentive to get other leagues to participate. I'm not sure what they can offer other leagues, but it will likely need to be something to get this rolling and build it up over the years as an key tournament.
 
I like Wyshynski's line "There’s no sense in trying to hold a World Cup without a Russian big bad in the tournament, even if the Russians can’t really shine the skates of the Americans and Canadians as a national team in 2014. (Or the Swedes, for that matter.)"

Puck Daddy loves to troll.

It would be interesting to see if it comes to an NHL boycott of the 2016 WHC in Moscow. They should make the negotiations available on Pay Per View.
 
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Having the best players is what creates the advantage.

There is no way that Canada had more talent than the Soviets in Canada Cups in '81, 84, and '87. The Soviets blew Canada off the ice in the Challenge Cup of '79 and the '81 Canada Cup. Canada won the '84 and '87 Canada Cups in Eagleson's office, not on the ice, although the margin of victory on ice was about half of a nose hair. The Eagleson-appointed American and Canadian refs panicked in '84 and '87 as the crowds made all the critical calls. The Soviets sent B teams in '76 and '91, so that shouldn't count - or, should we start adding WC Gold into the mix.

In modern times, although the margin is narrow, you can make a sound argument for saying that Canada has been better than Russia of late in the Olympics, but you can't say the same about the US. Almost all the teams are close to being the same, with Canada having the slight lead, which they will likely protect with home ice advantage in the World Cup.
 
One Russian hockey analyst is suggesting that the Russian Ice Hockey Federation and the KHL need to get a share of the profits + a share of the profit from TV advertising revenue + home dates for ticket revenue and marketing etc.

Should be a heated negotiation for sure. Can't wait.

The same analyst suggests Russia has to participate. "It's a cool tournament".

The only way Medvedev could sell this to KHL owners is if the guaranteed revenue substantially trumped all of the myriad of other business reasons why the KHL should not participate. Especially considering some struggling KHL franchises (Kuznya, etc.), if the NHL were to pour in enough cash to put struggling franchises in a much better position, that might be desirable to the owners. They can certainly negotiate from that vantage point.
 
If putin remains in power and russia continues with what they are doing now, they will be in sharp conflict with all the countries in the western civilization, especially countries belonging to NATO and the European Union - russia will be a pariah state and they will not be participating in anything / anywhere...
 
the home team in the World Cup has won 100% of the 2 tournaments, so obviously, being the home team creates an almost insurmountable advantage.

Sigh. This again?

In the best-of-three final of the 1996 World Cup the home team lost all three games. Canada then won the final in Toronto eight years later, after Team USA crashed out to Finland in the SF in Minnesota.

At the WHC home-ice teams have generally performed poorly (only Sweden in 2013 has triumphed at home since 1986). We just saw Russia deliver a stinker in Sochi.

What is this home-ice advantage of which you speak?
 
Didn't the other thread get closed cause it was shown that being the home team in international play is not onlynot an advantage, it is arguably a disadvantage.


exactly this, home ice is not an advantage and any opinion that claims otherwise is clearly misinformed.
 
One Russian hockey analyst is suggesting that the Russian Ice Hockey Federation and the KHL need to get a share of the profits + a share of the profit from TV advertising revenue + home dates for ticket revenue and marketing etc.

Should be a heated negotiation for sure. Can't wait.

The same analyst suggests Russia has to participate. "It's a cool tournament".

If the KHL were to get compensated, other leagues and federations will there as well with their hand out since not all the best players outside NA are in KHL necessarily.
 
I like Wyshynski's line "There’s no sense in trying to hold a World Cup without a Russian big bad in the tournament, even if the Russians can’t really shine the skates of the Americans and Canadians as a national team in 2014. (Or the Swedes, for that matter.)"

Puck Daddy loves to troll.

It would be interesting to see if it comes to an NHL boycott of the 2016 WHC in Moscow. They should make the negotiations available on Pay Per View.

Russians probably would have no problems with that.
 
If the KHL were to get compensated, other leagues and federations will there as well with their hand out since not all the best players outside NA are in KHL necessarily.

of course they want to get compensated...as they should. can they be adequately compensated and with what's left over, the NHL still views it as a viable option...whether or not the NHL makes a profit from this or what flows to other Federations/Leagues, I couldn't care less. I only want to see a best on best competition once every 2 years.
 
Russians probably would have no problems with that.

Oh no!! Not the Skodas????

seriously, I wouldn't have a problem with it either. That B level tournament should be strictly an annual European championship and the World Cup and Olympics should be the showcase international tournaments.
 
of course they want to get compensated...as they should. can they be adequately compensated and with what's left over, the NHL still views it as a viable option...whether or not the NHL makes a profit from this or what flows to other Federations/Leagues, I couldn't care less. I only want to see a best on best competition once every 2 years.

I've been saying from the beginning that if they are going to compensate all the leagues/federations, it's going to drive down the potential profits to level that might not please either party anymore. I don't see much revenue coming from the Us side of the boarder, what with the NFL season underway, MLB season coming to an end, EPL season also going on, Rio Olympics and Euro '16 having been in the summer. The couch potato sports fan might feel a little stuffed already (will be in Europe at least). From a Finnish POV, it'd most likely be on a pay tv as well, reducing the viewership a lot.
 
Oh no!! Not the Skodas????

seriously, I wouldn't have a problem with it either. That B level tournament should be strictly an annual European championship and the World Cup and Olympics should be the showcase international tournaments.

The problem with that concept though has been lately that Russia haven't been able to challenge even Finland when the squads have been all European. On the other hand, our best KHL players are getting older and older or have gone to NHL (Lehterä and Kontiola), so Russia might have a better chance.
 
I think this needs to start small and build up over the years. The first focus has to be on getting the top countries to participate. I don't know how much revenue they can realistically generate, probably not enough to be an incentive to get other leagues to participate. I'm not sure what they can offer other leagues, but it will likely need to be something to get this rolling and build it up over the years as an key tournament.

Sorry, but it will hardly ever be a key tournament. I do not really care whether the homesoil is an advantage for home or away team but this is simply too much NA tourney to be generally considered as a key tournament, no matter who's gonna win it....The hype will be always much bigger on NA side.... I even doubt that european fans will go to attend these matches.....if they even have a possibility to buy tickets....
 
I've been saying from the beginning that if they are going to compensate all the leagues/federations, it's going to drive down the potential profits to level that might not please either party anymore. I don't see much revenue coming from the Us side of the boarder, what with the NFL season underway, MLB season coming to an end, EPL season also going on, Rio Olympics and Euro '16 having been in the summer. The couch potato sports fan might feel a little stuffed already (will be in Europe at least). From a Finnish POV, it'd most likely be on a pay tv as well, reducing the viewership a lot.

we'll just have to wait and see how negotiations play out and what all the parties want/get.

I'm not sure how much Bell (TSN) is willing to pay for broadcast rights...they still may be a little pissed at the NHL.
 
There is no way that Canada had more talent than the Soviets in Canada Cups in '81, 84, and '87. The Soviets blew Canada off the ice in the Challenge Cup of '79 and the '81 Canada Cup. Canada won the '84 and '87 Canada Cups in Eagleson's office, not on the ice, although the margin of victory on ice was about half of a nose hair. The Eagleson-appointed American and Canadian refs panicked in '84 and '87 as the crowds made all the critical calls. The Soviets sent B teams in '76 and '91, so that shouldn't count - or, should we start adding WC Gold into the mix.

In modern times, although the margin is narrow, you can make a sound argument for saying that Canada has been better than Russia of late in the Olympics, but you can't say the same about the US. Almost all the teams are close to being the same, with Canada having the slight lead, which they will likely protect with home ice advantage in the World Cup.

Canada has always had more kids playing the game and as a result better individual players. The Soviets had team prep time and experience playing together. Made for some great Canada Cups. However we've been through all of this before and the one thing I've learned is that you have zero interest in the truth or in learning anything, just the same old pro Russian, anti NA stuff over and over and over again......
 
Oh no!! Not the Skodas????

seriously, I wouldn't have a problem with it either. That B level tournament should be strictly an annual European championship and the World Cup and Olympics should be the showcase international tournaments.

This is the biggest b......t I ever read here. just look at the hockey map, look at the IIHF system with lower tier worlds divisons and think and take a time...... Oh you got it ? Or still not? I am really fed up with such stupid posts from some of you guys.... Or why not to open the discussion about this World cup name? We have "WORLD" cup with 8 teams, woow. Isn't it more Top 8 tourney or Molson Canadian competition? No, sorry it is the true biggest BEST ON BEST tourney and all the fans around the world can not wait to see it:D :D:D
 
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