Softest team in the NHL

[Brooklyn Ranger]

Del Zotto, Boyle, Zuccarello, Pyatt, Powe, Asham......and a 5th.

Where's the kitchen sink?

 

[eco's bones]

Consider 3 or 4 guys make the HOF every year and there are 30 teams now. Lindros was arguably the best forward in the the league for a good 5-6 years. His concussions on a par with Bobby Orr's bad knees. There's no question who was the straw stirring the drink on the Flyer's top line in the 90's. It was Lindros. Not only was he an elite player at least on par skill wise with Messier, Lemieux, Gretzky over that period of time but he was a physical dominating force with a mean streak. Lindros at his healthy best > than any of Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin at their healthy best. Lindros was a scary mother ****er.

 

[Orr Nightmare]

Consider 3 or 4 guys make the HOF every year and there are 30 teams now. Lindros was arguably the best forward in the the league for a good 5-6 years. His concussions on a par with Bobby Orr's bad knees. There's no question who was the straw stirring the drink on the Flyer's top line in the 90's. It was Lindros. Not only was he an elite player at least on par skill wise with Messier, Lemieux, Gretzky over that period of time but he was a physical dominating force with a mean streak. Lindros at his healthy best > than any of Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin at their healthy best. Lindros was a scary mother ****er.

Then came the meanest open ice hitter that I ever had the privilege of watching, Scott Stevens, deliver on of the hardest, cleanest hits you will every see. The guy was extraordinary.

Shanny for Stevens...who do you take. I take Stevens but Shanny was a great power forwards in his day...80-90's hockey was so much fun...the fighting was a little out of control but still fun.

 

[Drewbackatu*]

Then came the meanest open ice hitter that I ever had the privilege of watching, Scott Stevens, deliver on of the hardest, cleanest hits you will every see. The guy was extraordinary.

Shanny for Stevens...who do you take. I take Stevens but Shanny was a great power forwards in his day...80-90's hockey was so much fun...the fighting was a little out of control but still fun.

Not for nothing, that hit Steven's delivered open ice to Lindros in that playoffs was dirty and illegal by today's standards as were 50% of Steven's hits.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Not for nothing, that hit Steven's delivered open ice to Lindros in that playoffs was dirty and illegal by today's standards as were 50% of Steven's hits.

Its true. Stevens made the shoulder to the head hits famous.

 

[NikC]

No way that Torts went from "safe is death", to a defense first approach because the lineup dictated that that would be the only way to win. It's definitely that Torts and Renney just didn't like scoring goals or playing offense. Hell, Torts didn't even practice offense he hated watching it so much. That's why he quit his job in Tampa, he was getting sick watching all that offense.

oh you remember him quitting? ... actually he got fired from tampa with a year left on his contract. you missed that huh?

I was really looking forward to Tortorella imparting his SC winning offensive strategies to our lunchpail lineup, but i guess when he realized he didn't have:

1 35+ goal scorer
5 20-30g scorers
2 17g scorers
1 40p dman
4 15-20p forwards...

in his line up he had to resort to sitting on his hands while his team's PP went to SHi& while riding his vienza winning goaltender playing dump and chase, uninspired, uncreative, strenoulsly executed hockey

 

[chosen]

Then came the meanest open ice hitter that I ever had the privilege of watching, Scott Stevens, deliver on of the hardest, cleanest hits you will every see. The guy was extraordinary.

Shanny for Stevens...who do you take. I take Stevens but Shanny was a great power forwards in his day...80-90's hockey was so much fun...the fighting was a little out of control but still fun.

Stevens was great, but filth. Some of his hits were right on the edge, some were over the edge. He used his equipment to hurt people and he looked for vulnerable players and tried to hurt them.

I don't remember who it was, but I remember him hitting somebody on Carolina during a playoff game. The game was over as far as which team would win, but Stevens tried to kill him when he knew the guy didn't see him coming. He was no different than the guys in the NFL who try to injure players instead of tackling them.

Great player? No doubt. Garbage person on the ice? No doubt.

 

[eco's bones]

Lindros would drill people into the boards and glass and oftentimes they did not get up. A number of concussions and injuries from those hits. Eric was pretty good with his fists too.

Stevens would come in kind of low. He was built like a linebacker and had excellent lateral mobility and a sixth sense of when an opposition player wasn't paying enough attention. Always looking for that big splash hit. At the beginning of his career with the Capitals Stevens was kind of a loose cannon--could not control his temper and was always getting into fights--taking dumb penalties. With the Devils it was very, very difficult to get him to drop the gloves but it wouldn't stop him from playing his game. Kocur was always trying to engage him. Stevens always avoided. I remember Kris King getting nailed by Stevens crossing the Devils blueline. His stick went straight up in the air and it seemed several seconds before it came down. A lot of his hits would be suspendible today.

But the same could be said for Messier.

Beukeboom was another force. In one playoff series he knocked 3 Florida Panthers out of the lineup. I remember him colliding head on with Johan Garpenlov (who wasn't exactly small). Garpenlov braced himself to absorb the hit but Beukeboom had so much momentum that Garpenlov broke his leg. Getting caught between the boards and Beukeboom was a bad place to be.

 

[Blue Seat Spartan]

Stevens was great, but filth. Some of his hits were right on the edge, some were over the edge. He used his equipment to hurt people and he looked for vulnerable players and tried to hurt them.

I don't remember who it was, but I remember him hitting somebody on Carolina during a playoff game. The game was over as far as which team would win, but Stevens tried to kill him when he knew the guy didn't see him coming. He was no different than the guys in the NFL who try to injure players instead of tackling them.

Great player? No doubt. Garbage person on the ice? No doubt.

I remember that... Shane Willis in the closing seconds of a quarterfinal game vs the Hurricanes in 2001. And this was also the same series where Stevens laid out Ron Francis - a classy HOFer in spite of his 85 ft goal vs Mike Richter in 1992 - and gave him a concussion. That's what his sympathizers fail to recall in their accolades of Stevens: some of those hits were overkill when the outcome of the game wasn't in question anymore and intended to take the targeted player not just out of the current game but the next.

It delighted me to no end when Scott Stevens bounced off of Joe Sakic while trying to hit him in Game 7 of the 2001 Stanley Cup Finals and was used as a screen for Burnaby Joe's laser through his legs and past Brodeur afterwards!!

 

[Dagoon44]

So now in this tread alone

torts is better then Scotty Bowman
Kreider sucks
Callahan is the toughest man in th NHL
Any team with a enforcer sucks rotten eggs
Speed and small players like those in blades of steel are better then the hard hitting chubby ones that shoot hard
Brb is the know all say all and inferno is his vp..
John LaClair wasn't any good with out Lindros

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

So now in this tread alone

torts is better then Scotty Bowman
Kreider sucks
Callahan is the toughest man in th NHL
Any team with a enforcer sucks rotten eggs
Speed and small players like those in blades of steel are better then the hard hitting chubby ones that shoot hard
Brb is the know all say all and inferno is his vp..
John LaClair wasn't any good with out Lindros

You also found out what really happened with Mashinter.

 

[Dagoon44]

You also found out what really happened with Mashinter.

Brb first off the kid w as playing scared and never given a chance.. Second a guy much more important then told me at h draft he is part of the ny rangers future.. Say what you want he is a prospect and a solid fourth liner

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Brb first off the kid w as playing scared and never given a chance.. Second a guy much more important then told me at h draft he is part of the ny rangers future.. Say what you want he is a prospect and a solid fourth liner

I fail to see how all your wonderful connections have anything to do with making stuff up about why Mashinter was sent down.

 

[Dagoon44]

I fail to see how all your wonderful connections have anything to do with making stuff up about why Mashinter was sent down.

He was sent down after one bad game.. The jets game yes he sucked I was there, so did hank 3 soft goals each time after they fought to tie the game.. The kid was never given a fair shot by your best friend torts .. He played well in games before the jets game

 

[E-Train]

Now all we need on this page is for
Kershaw to advocate trading McIlrath for Kevin Hayes as he did on the trade forum. Some of the old school posters from Rivals and the HF early days need to come back. Things are starting to nosedive around here.

 

[Brooklyn Ranger]

Now all we need on this page is for
Kershaw to advocate trading McIlrath for Kevin Hayes as he did on the trade forum. Some of the old school posters from Rivals and the HF early days need to come back. Things are starting to nosedive around here.

Ah, the good old days...sigh.

 

[chosen]

Brb first off the kid w as playing scared and never given a chance.. Second a guy much more important then told me at h draft he is part of the ny rangers future.. Say what you want he is a prospect and a solid fourth liner

What is your definition of a solid 4th liner?

 

[NYR Viper]

What is your definition of a solid 4th liner?

If his play will translate better than it showed in that short spurt up with the Rangers (it should also be noted that he was with a new organization, in a new system as compared to SJ. That wasn't long aft\er the trade, maybe 12 games), then he would be more than a competent 4th liner. And he actually has some skill.

 

[RGY]

I don't know what the future will be for him, but to say Mashinter was anything more than less than stellar when he was up is naive. He was hardly noticeable other than he is a bigger sized guy so you can't miss him much.

 

[NYR Viper]

I don't know what the future will be for him, but to say Mashinter was anything more than less than stellar when he was up is naive. He was hardly noticeable other than he is a bigger sized guy so you can't miss him much.

He controlled the puck well in the offensive zone and looked to make a few plays. He didn't play much.

Defensively, he looked a bit overwhelmed but that may have been a bit due to the fact that he was with a new team, in a new system, in a new league.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

He was sent down after one bad game.. The jets game yes he sucked I was there, so did hank 3 soft goals each time after they fought to tie the game.. The kid was never given a fair shot by your best friend torts .. He played well in games before the jets game

He was sent down after being a non factor for 3 games and being beyond terrible in his final game. How much more leeway would you like in a shortened season? But, again, thats quite different than "Mashinter took a penalty and we never saw him again." Maybe you should spend less time making those insider connections and more time watching the game.

 

[NYR Viper]

I don't think people realize that Mashinter played poorly, for his standards, in his short NHL stint. He was much better in the AHL. The kid can play the game, is a pretty good skater and will drop the gloves with pretty much anyone. However, he is a hockey player first and foremost.

 

[Trxjw]

Mashinter is going to have to learn how to skate if he's going to be a 4th liner in the NHL. He's way too slow to get in on the forecheck.

 

[Trxjw]

Keep it clean, kids. Lets try and exercise a little maturity around here.

 

[NYR Viper]

Mashinter is going to have to learn how to skate if he's going to be a 4th liner in the NHL. He's way too slow to get in on the forecheck.

He looked more tentative than slow IMO. He was in position to make some hits, but it looked like he was more worried about taking himself out of position. Players like him have to play aggressive.