Social Media Septic Tank Thread

[Audible Velvet]

Comcast appear to potentially getting the idea that the old bullies are the problem. So not really sure I’d even want new ownership in place because that group could very well fetishize the past of this club & keep those in power.

Wouldn’t that be a fun twist? More like a kick in seeds, perhaps.

 

[Rich Nixon]

I know we're all battered and hurt, but if you think Peter Forsberg's two seasons and 100 games as a Flyer turned him into some knuckle-dragging Bob Clarke moron I think you're being a little paranoid. He was a better hockey player than Bobby Clarke and he knows that, he's not jacking off to Moose Dupont pictures.

 

[Rebels57]

I was thinking of former Flyers players. This org infects minds and brainwashes people.

If they identify with the org, they almost always also buy into the Broad Street Bullies worthless mentality.

Gotcha.

Timonen has been vocally against just about everything theyve done the past 3 years. He has sounded off on it on this podcast he goes on.

Forsberg spent like 85% of his career elsewhere. Not at all worried about his views lining up with the Bullies.

 

[FlyerNutter]

I know we're all battered and hurt, but if you think Peter Forsberg's two seasons and 100 games as a Flyer turned him into some knuckle-dragging Bob Clarke moron I think you're being a little paranoid. He was a better hockey player than Bobby Clarke and he knows that, he's not jacking off to Moose Dupont pictures.

A new ownership group is key here. Comcast has been dubbed with the responsibility to oversee higher level management hires/changes.

They have utterly failed, and have shown zero inclination toward understanding they need to be more involved. One can look at Briere for a perfect example, because who in their right mind thinks he doesn’t have either the president or GM job already locked up. Based on what merit?

This is a trash ownership group, with no idea how to properly help manage a professional hockey team. The best thing that could happen to this franchise is for someone else to buy them. I’ve strongly felt that way for a while.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

Unless there's someone I'm forgetting, I have never seen a single former player who understood the modern game. Every single one of them is brainwashed into thinking intangibles, toughness, grinding, and all that bullshit is actually vitally important.

Just look at Briere. Of all people - based on him as a player and what he dealt with because of that - he should understand what actually matters and what doesn't. But no, he's just another cement brain who thinks Flahr is great, Lappys done a good job, and Deslaurier is a vital player to have.

So no, I don't trust anyone in that picture to actually have a working brain and do anything positive. Being able to play at a high level and understand the game at a high level are not linked.

Not convinced they have been sullied by the flyers whatsoever. Forsbergs short tenure here demonstrated a great dichotomy of what the organization could do right and wrong in a season and a half. Kimmo, while here longer, was about as anti flyer as you could be. We all worshiped him for being a warrior but he wasn’t a bully in any sense.

If you really believe that those two are comparable to Clarke and holmgren, your prerogative. But I guarantee it isn’t true. They may make their own mistakes if given the chance but they will clearly have a better understanding of the game.

 

[Rich Nixon]

A new ownership group is key here. Comcast has been dubbed with the responsibility to oversee higher level management hires/changes.

They have utterly failed, and have shown zero inclination toward understanding they need to be more involved. One can look at Briere for a perfect example, because who in their right mind thinks he doesn’t have either the president or GM job already locked up. Based on what merit?

This is a trash ownership group, with no idea how to properly help manage a professional hockey team. The best thing that could happen to this franchise is for someone else to buy them. I’ve strongly felt that way for a while.

Agreed. The pearl-clutching over these guys is a sign of the abuse.

Really, they need new ownership. Who is going to be interested in buying a hockey team? Very wealthy hockey guys and hockey fans, real estate/sports team magnates. That's what that is. What alternate slate is going to shoot that gap? A benevolent ultra-corporation that will be magically better than Comcast? An ultra-rich guy with a genius vision of hockey that aligns with the modern game, but who has just been waiting all his life to buy the Philadelphia Flyers?

Forsberg is probably one of the richest hockey players alive. Boreanaz is a surprisingly wealthy Flyers fan celeb. HBSE is a sports ownership venture that has demonstrated early success with two teams, and that has real estate ambitions that align perfectly with buying the Flyers and the building they sit in.

You want new ownership, that's what you're gonna get. You're not gonna find another 9-figure NHLer who wants to buy the Flyers but has no past relationship with the Flyers, because you're not gonna find more than a handful of other 9-figure NHLers. MORE IMPORTANTLY, though, you're not going to find another local ownership group with stronger credentials, motivations, or leverage.

 

[Striiker]

If you really believe that those two are comparable to Clarke and holmgren, you’re prerogative. But I guarantee it isn’t true. They may make their own mistakes if given the chance but they will clearly have a better understanding of the game.

Many would have said this about Briere two years ago. And yet here we are.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

Many would have said this about Briere two years ago. And yet here we are.

I think we have collectively agreed that his career trajectory warranted concern and, at best, very cautious optimism. If he had been removed from under the umbrella of shit, it would be a different conversation. Then and now, the majority of the optimism came with a caveat of “if he shows he’s willing to think independently”.

There isn’t a ton that can be done right now. We won’t be able to judge him until the off-season completely. Right now, he has but words and a shitty son.

 

[Rich Nixon]

Many would have said this about Briere two years ago. And yet here we are.

The Flyers have been Briere's boss for most of the last 15 years. They've been his livelihood, he's literally a company man. Timonen and Forsberg have not worked for the Flyers since their playing days, and are independently successful Scandinavian hockey and non-hockey businessdudes in their own right. It's not a comparable situation man.

Besides, you're talking primarily about HBSE in terms of ultimate control and direction. Have they not shown a willingness to let their teams rebuild correctly for the modern game, and then spend money when necessary? Are the Sixers good? Do you think they'd allow the Devils to rebuild the way they did and then turn around and buy another team then mortgage its future and stock it full of gorillas, both in management and on the ice? A PROCESS that develops homegrown superstars until the team's in a position to spend big on outside talent? Are these not the things the Sixers and Devils have done, and pretty much what we're looking for?

 

[DancingPanther]

Kimmo ripped into ownership pretty hard after the Giroux fiasco in an interview. He's not a dummy. Doesn't he own or part own a team nowadays? How's that squad doing? I was trying to Google but came up empty, maybe I'm getting him confused.

Anyway, I have nothing to go with on Forsberg other than speculation. But I will say he played against Yzerman and literally with Sakic; it wouldn't be crazy to think he has similar ideas on how to win. He played on an Avs team ahead of its time where modern speed and skill were truly featured. So did Yzerman. It adds up, but it also feels like grasping for straws.

 

[Striiker]

If someone wants to assume competence where there’s currently no proof of it, that’s up to you guys.

I’m just surprised we haven’t learned not to do that yet.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Forsberg was an early investor in Crocs.

Need I say more?

 

[Rich Nixon]

If someone wants to assume competence where there’s currently no proof of it, that’s up to you guys.

I’m just surprised we haven’t learned not to do that yet.

Again, were that group of people to be involved in a purchase, it would be the organization the guy on the right represents doing the heavy lifting and having the final say. And I will quote myself from just above on that front, because there is demonstrated competence:

Besides, you're talking primarily about HBSE in terms of ultimate control and direction. Have they not shown a willingness to let their teams rebuild correctly for the modern game, and then spend money when necessary? Are the Sixers good? Do you think they'd allow the Devils to rebuild the way they did and then turn around and buy another team then mortgage its future and stock it full of gorillas, both in management and on the ice? A PROCESS that develops homegrown superstars until the team's in a position to spend big on outside talent? Are these not the things the Sixers and Devils have done, and pretty much what we're looking for?

 

[Striiker]

Again, were that group of people to be involved in a purchase, it would be the organization the guy on the right represents doing the heavy lifting and having the final say. And I will quote myself from just above on that front, because there is demonstrated competence:

I’m strictly talking about ex-players, not either of the other two.

 

[Rich Nixon]

I’m strictly talking about ex-players, not either of the other two.

And I'm telling you that they're not the story here. And even if they were the story, they're not remotely comparable to the bad examples that we all know and hate.

They're a small part of it, but the big story is that a member of a credible sports ownership group that actually has substantial leverage over Spectacor just publicly announced his interest in buying the team. Plus, they're probably not going into a billion-and-a-half-dollar deal with hapless hockey idiots who don't align with their vision or leadership.

 

[Striiker]

And I'm telling you that they're not the story here. And even if they were the story, they're not remotely comparable to the bad examples that we all know and hate.

They're a small part of it, but the big story is that a credible sports ownership group that actually has substantial leverage over Spectacor just publicly announced their interest in buying the team.

I was responding to this one specific statement, not the news as a whole.

That’s why I specifically mentioned the ex-players, not the other two.

If nothing else, I’m 100% confident Kimmo and Foppa have more brain cells than the collective of advisors the flyers currently have.

 

[FlyerNutter]

And I'm telling you that they're not the story here. And even if they were the story, they're not remotely comparable to the bad examples that we all know and hate.

They're a small part of it, but the big story is that a credible sports ownership group that actually has substantial leverage over Spectacor just publicly announced their interest in buying the team. And they're not going into a billion-and-a-half-dollar deal with hockey idiots who don't align with their vision or leadership.

I’d take a chance on a homeless dude shooting up every night over current ownership. They are supposed to escape scrutiny because they pump money into the team?

This has been a spiral into the worst run franchise for the last decade. Even with all the money in the world available.

I don’t care who the hell buys them, but a shot at anything better is worth it at this point. Comcast now has 2 failed GM’s, 2 failed HC’s - again, with a continued spiral downward.

Joe Dirt would have my vote ahead of Comcast.

 

[Rich Nixon]

I was responding to this one specific statement, not the news as a whole.

That’s why I specifically mentioned the ex-players, not the other two.

Well, responding to the news as a whole at first you said "So am I expected to believe that 1) this has a real chance of happening and 2) it would make any positive difference if it did? Because I dont."

And I'm telling you that there are a lot of reasons it has a real chance of happening, and by focusing on assumptions about the bit players involved (the hockey dudes) you're ignoring the thing that would probably make a very positive difference, which is the entity that would ultimately have to be the majority owner of the team. The familiar faces are window dressing. The guy on the right is the big deal.

 

[Redpath]

For how big the Philadelphia area is and how popular the Flyers are (Well, used to be), it always shocks me that the biggest vocal celebrity fan we have is...David Boreanaz.

I'll believe it when Tina Fey, Kevin Bacon, and Bradley Cooper put together an ownership bid.

 

[Rich Nixon]

(it's not about Foppa it's not about Kimmo it's not about Bones guy x1000)

 

[DancingPanther]

Wait that actor Boreanaz or whatever...his dad is Dave Roberts the longtime weatherman for 6abc Philly lol

 

[DancingPanther]

For how big the Philadelphia area is and how popular the Flyers are (Well, used to be), it always shocks me that the biggest vocal celebrity fan we have is...David Boreanaz.

I'll believe it when Tina Fey, Kevin Bacon, and Bradley Cooper put together an ownership bid.

First they have to care about sports. I could be wrong but I hardly remember any of those guys popping up even at eagles games

Kevin Hart I'd argue is the biggest "celebrity" Philly sports fan.

Meek Mill named dropped the Flyers in Dreams and Nightmares!

 

[DancingPanther]

Well, responding to the news as a whole at first you said "So am I expected to believe that 1) this has a real chance of happening and 2) it would make any positive difference if it did? Because I dont."

And I'm telling you that there are a lot of reasons it has a real chance of happening, and by focusing on assumptions about the bit players involved (the hockey dudes) you're ignoring the thing that would probably make a very positive difference, which is the entity that would ultimately have to be the majority owner of the team. The familiar faces are window dressing. The guy on the right is the big deal.

But still, first Comcast would have to sell. Idk, I just find it hard to see that happening, especially after bringing in that new guy Hilferty or whatever

 

[Striiker]

Well, responding to the news as a whole at first you said "So am I expected to believe that 1) this has a real chance of happening and 2) it would make any positive difference if it did? Because I dont."

And I'm telling you that there are a lot of reasons it has a real chance of happening, and by focusing on assumptions about the bit players involved (the hockey dudes) you're ignoring the thing that would probably make a very positive difference, which is the entity that would ultimately have to be the majority owner of the team. The familiar faces are window dressing. The guy on the right is the big deal.

My point in that first post was “I’ll believe it when I see it”, not that it’s not possible.

As far as I’m concerned, everyone involved with this cursed sport in any way is untrustworthy and most likely a fool until proven otherwise.

 

[DancingPanther]

The Flyers have been Briere's boss for most of the last 15 years. They've been his livelihood, he's literally a company man. Timonen and Forsberg have not worked for the Flyers since their playing days, and are independently successful Scandinavian hockey and non-hockey businessdudes in their own right. It's not a comparable situation man.

Besides, you're talking primarily about HBSE in terms of ultimate control and direction. Have they not shown a willingness to let their teams rebuild correctly for the modern game, and then spend money when necessary? Are the Sixers good? Do you think they'd allow the Devils to rebuild the way they did and then turn around and buy another team then mortgage its future and stock it full of gorillas, both in management and on the ice? A PROCESS that develops homegrown superstars until the team's in a position to spend big on outside talent? Are these not the things the Sixers and Devils have done, and pretty much what we're looking for?

Also the Guardians are back to relevancy with mainly young, developed talent