Other Sports: Soccer/Football Thread Part Six

[Starat327]

I don't think he will somehow. One of the few guys at the top of a club who genuinely loves the club... so think it would take a lot for him to sell.

Add in losing Kane and it would look very bleak.

 

[PDX Flyer]

Add in losing Kane and it would look very bleak.

Kane can walk this summer right? That would be an epic loss but I understand Kane wanting to compete for trophies

 

[Starat327]

Kane can walk this summer right? That would be an epic loss but I understand Kane wanting to compete for trophies

No I think he's 2026. But I think he finally breaks and submits a request this summer

 

[PDX Flyer]

No I think he's 2026. But I think he finally breaks and submits a request this summer

Seems like he is ready for a new challenge. I know the media is mostly speculating but there is a lot of chatter about Kane... more than the usual amount . Wouldn’t be surprised if he goes

 

[Starat327]

Seems like he is ready for a new challenge. I know the media is mostly speculating but there is a lot of chatter about Kane... more than the usual amount . Wouldn’t be surprised if he goes

If they don't qualify CL this year I think k it happens. He's too old to dwindle away.

 

[Fire Tortorella]

Tottenham losing Conte and Paratici in the summer may actually cause enough backlash for Levy to sell. We dont want that.

I think you're overestimating the amount of support Conte has among the fanbase - his negative approach to the game is extremely grating, especially coming after Mourinho and Nuno. He's also asking Son to continuously play to his weakness (sitting inside the LWB, facing back to the ball, and making a play from there).

I think Conte walks after the summer and a full re-build starts - Kane gone, Lloris, probably Son. Long term, it'll be rough before it gets better.

 

[Jack Straw]

I think there is a high probability that Kane leaves after this season and if he goes Conte goes too. Kane's contract runs through next season so selling him after this season makes sense for both him and the club. Lloris has been great but it's time, he has to go too. The back end has to be rebuilt, Dier and Davies are ok at best and both are 29.

The outlook is not all bleak though. There is a fair amount of young talent:

Kulusevski: 22
Romero: 24
Richarlison: 25
Skipp: 22
Sessegnon: 22
Sarr: 20
Bentancour: 25
Gil: 21

And that's not looking at the academy, since I'm not really familiar with what they have in the pipeline.

So if Kane and Conte both leave the priority has to be finding the right manager to bring the young talent along. Find a capable goalie and replace Dier, Davies, and Sanchez. I wouldn't be shocked if we see the return of Poch, he seems to speak highly of Tottenham and he favors the kind of positive football Spurs supporters would like to see. Another interesting possibility for me would be Thomas Frank, if they can pry him away from Brentford.

Personally I wouldn't mind a step back after this season in the interest of building for the coming years. I think most Spurs fans would agree, since it's not like we're winning anything important the way things are anyway.

 

[Starat327]

I think you're overestimating the amount of support Conte has among the fanbase - his negative approach to the game is extremely grating, especially coming after Mourinho and Nuno. He's also asking Son to continuously play to his weakness (sitting inside the LWB, facing back to the ball, and making a play from there).

I think Conte walks after the summer and a full re-build starts - Kane gone, Lloris, probably Son. Long term, it'll be rough before it gets better.

Ypu might be right, but I admittedly meant moreso the idea if Conte, a fairly world class manager, not Conte himself per se. If they sell it as a full rebuild and bring in a progressive manager and DoF I think it might work. But a rebuild is a hard sell when - and I don't mean this as banter - what you built never got anywhere.

I think Kane goes, Lloris should've been gone about 2 years ago, and yeah, I think you move Son abroad. Sell Kane to an English team as you'll get more money. It'll suck to see him anywhere else, but the English player premium will net you an additional 30M or so. In a rebuild. That's another good young player on its own.

 

[Fire Tortorella]

I think there is a high probability that Kane leaves after this season and if he goes Conte goes too. Kane's contract runs through next season so selling him after this season makes sense for both him and the club. Lloris has been great but it's time, he has to go too. The back end has to be rebuilt, Dier and Davies are ok at best and both are 29.

The outlook is not all bleak though. There is a fair amount of young talent:

Kulusevski: 22
Romero: 24
Richarlison: 25
Skipp: 22
Sessegnon: 22
Sarr: 20
Bentancour: 25
Gil: 21

And that's not looking at the academy, since I'm not really familiar with what they have in the pipeline.

So if Kane and Conte both leave the priority has to be finding the right manager to bring the young talent along. Find a capable goalie and replace Dier, Davies, and Sanchez. I wouldn't be shocked if we see the return of Poch, he seems to speak highly of Tottenham and he favors the kind of positive football Spurs supporters would like to see. Another interesting possibility for me would be Thomas Frank, if they can pry him away from Brentford.

Personally I wouldn't mind a step back after this season in the interest of building for the coming years. I think most Spurs fans would agree, since it's not like we're winning anything important the way things are anyway.

Yeah - there's a 4-3-3 in there somewhere:

Richarlison
Gil, Kulusevski
PEH/Bentancour/Sarr/Skipp
Bissouma/Skipp
LB, CB, Romero, Emerson/Spence
GK

It's obviously not great but that's also with no incomings - the sales of Son and Kane would hopefully bring with it a W A R C H E S T

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[Fire Tortorella]

Ypu might be right, but I admittedly meant moreso the idea if Conte, a fairly world class manager, not Conte himself per se. If they sell it as a full rebuild and bring in a progressive manager and DoF I think it might work. But a rebuild is a hard sell when - and I don't mean this as banter - what you built never got anywhere.

I think Kane goes, Lloris should've been gone about 2 years ago, and yeah, I think you move Son abroad. Sell Kane to an English team as you'll get more money. It'll suck to see him anywhere else, but the English player premium will net you an additional 30M or so. In a rebuild. That's another good young player on its own.

I mean...I guess this is a self-own, but I support Spurs - what exactly are the expectations? This isn't a North American league built on parity and the idea anyone can win it all - in general, money brings success, so you need an owner/ownership group willing to operate at a loss in order to "succeed". I personally don't care about any type of cup win, so my measure of "success" is probably some combination of a Europa win/Champions League knockout rounds and continuously making top 4.

IMO, the only way for Spurs to "exceed expectations" is through investing in a young nucleus and development a la Poch's tenure. We can't outspend Man City, Chelsea, Man U, and eventually Newcastle....so that's 4 right there.

 

[Starat327]

I mean...I guess this is a self-own, but I support Spurs - what exactly are the expectations? This isn't a North American league built on parity and the idea anyone can win it all - in general, money brings success, so you need an owner/ownership group willing to operate at a loss in order to "succeed". I personally don't care about any type of cup win, so my measure of "success" is probably some combination of a Europa win/Champions League knockout rounds and continuously making top 4.

IMO, the only way for Spurs to "exceed expectations" is through investing in a young nucleus and development a la Poch's tenure. We can't outspend Man City, Chelsea, Man U, and eventually Newcastle....so that's 4 right there.

I think the bolded is what I'm insinuating/proposing though. I dont think it's impossible to build a good team that can compete for top 4 without spending crazy money. Sure you're relying on a little luck, but I'd have pegged Spurs to make a good run and beat some teams more than I ever would have Leicester over the last several years.

There's always going to be one "top 4" club who gets ravaged by injuries - chelsea and liverpool this year - that open the door for someone to get in there. Man City haven't had a fantastic season (by their standards)... A spurs team from 2-3 years ago may be sitting in Arsenals position currently. Like I said, I wasn't attempting to be that guy when I said Spurs didn't win anything. You came damn close ( a cl final, a close 2nd place finish at least on year(maybe two?)...) that isn't a bad run for a team who doesn't spend. You just have to find that right manager, which is what I meant originally - find someone who builds a culture and invest in them with the money you'll get from this build. If you hire another Mourinho/Conte, it's gonna be the Bale Sale/ AVB/sherwoof fiasco all over again.

 

[Jack Straw]

I mean...I guess this is a self-own, but I support Spurs - what exactly are the expectations? This isn't a North American league built on parity and the idea anyone can win it all - in general, money brings success, so you need an owner/ownership group willing to operate at a loss in order to "succeed". I personally don't care about any type of cup win, so my measure of "success" is probably some combination of a Europa win/Champions League knockout rounds and continuously making top 4.

IMO, the only way for Spurs to "exceed expectations" is through investing in a young nucleus and development a la Poch's tenure. We can't outspend Man City, Chelsea, Man U, and eventually Newcastle....so that's 4 right there.

The first PL team I followed to any degree was Man U. Back in the late '90s/early '00s I was living in DC and one of my best friends was from Manchester and a huge United fan. I actually passed up the opportunity to go to her wedding back home, which would have come with tickets to a match at Old Trafford (still regret that actually). But games weren't on here except on rare occasions so I wouldn't say I was a huge fan.

Then some years ago I noticed that NBC was televising all these games and I decided to pick my own team. Went with Spurs knowing the reputation they had ("Spursy") when I could very well have stuck with United. I realize that as you say, winning the league is a longshot but that's ok. But I would like to see more entertaining football than what we've been getting post-Poch. And I'd rather see a young team grow into success (like say, Arsenal is doing now) than just seeing the club spend billions on every big name that comes up.

 

[Appleyard]

I think there is a high probability that Kane leaves after this season and if he goes Conte goes too. Kane's contract runs through next season so selling him after this season makes sense for both him and the club. Lloris has been great but it's time, he has to go too. The back end has to be rebuilt, Dier and Davies are ok at best and both are 29.

The outlook is not all bleak though. There is a fair amount of young talent:

Kulusevski: 22
Romero: 24
Richarlison: 25
Skipp: 22
Sessegnon: 22
Sarr: 20
Bentancour: 25
Gil: 21

And that's not looking at the academy, since I'm not really familiar with what they have in the pipeline.

So if Kane and Conte both leave the priority has to be finding the right manager to bring the young talent along. Find a capable goalie and replace Dier, Davies, and Sanchez. I wouldn't be shocked if we see the return of Poch, he seems to speak highly of Tottenham and he favors the kind of positive football Spurs supporters would like to see. Another interesting possibility for me would be Thomas Frank, if they can pry him away from Brentford.

Personally I wouldn't mind a step back after this season in the interest of building for the coming years. I think most Spurs fans would agree, since it's not like we're winning anything important the way things are anyway.

Spence too who has had a few games this year.

In terms of Academy Alfie Devine might develop into a good Prem player in ~2 years.

 

[Jack Straw]

Spence too who has had a few games this year.

In terms of Academy Alfie Devine might develop into a good Prem player in ~2 years.

Yeah, I haven’t seen much of Spence so I wasn’t sure how to rate him.

 

[TCTC]

Seems like he is ready for a new challenge. I know the media is mostly speculating but there is a lot of chatter about Kane... more than the usual amount . Wouldn’t be surprised if he goes

It would surprise me if he doesn't go tbh. He'll be 30 next season. This summer will probably be his last chance for a move to a big club.
He's been linked with Bayern, but Manchester United would be my guess, if they can sort their finances out.

 

[BigToe]

Mudryk looks good

 

[TCTC]

Mudryk looks good

I take Trossard over him. More Premier League experience, can play any position in the front 3, and much cheaper. Mudryk may have the higher ceiling, but right now he has lots of question marks and you don't need that when you're in a title race.

 

[Starat327]

Mudryk looks good

See how he holds up against a defence thays a little better. I love Milner but anyone with speed is gonna look decent against him, and well, we don't talk about Trent.

 

[BigToe]

I take Trossard over him. More Premier League experience, can play any position in the front 3, and much cheaper. Mudryk may have the higher ceiling, but right now he has lots of question marks and you don't need that when you're in a title race.

I’m gonna be salty if he turns out to be great over there though.

See how he holds up against a defence thays a little better. I love Milner but anyone with speed is gonna look decent against him, and well, we don't talk about Trent.

Hopefully Trent figures thing out. He had 2 booty turnovers in a row close to the end.

 

[TCTC]

I’m gonna be salty if he turns out to be great over there though.

Hopefully Trent figures thing out. He had 2 booty turnovers in a row close to the end.

Stealing Rice from under their nose in the summer would be nice payback though. That would be a statement transfer, even more than Mudryk.

 

[Starat327]

I’m gonna be salty if he turns out to be great over there though.

Hopefully Trent figures thing out. He had 2 booty turnovers in a row close to the end.

I want Trent to figure it out. Such an exciting player, even if he's not on my team.

 

[Jack Straw]

It would surprise me if he doesn't go tbh. He'll be 30 next season. This summer will probably be his last chance for a move to a big club.
He's been linked with Bayern, but Manchester United would be my guess, if they can sort their finances out.

United would be my guess as well. He seems like the kind of guy who would like to stay in England and maybe even catch Shearer's goal record. I think he and Rashford could work well together similar to the way he works with Son now. And he'd be reunited with Eriksen.

 

[TCTC]

United would be my guess as well. He seems like the kind of guy who would like to stay in England and maybe even catch Shearer's goal record. I think he and Rashford could work well together similar to the way he works with Son now. And he'd be reunited with Eriksen.

Yeah, Kane and Rashford could be a great duo. I think if he wants to win trophies, Bayern would be the best place for him. But I can't blame any English player for not wanting to leave the Premier League.

I wonder what happened to Son. He's having a really bad season. Luckily for Tottenham they have Kulusevski. He looks great.

 

[Jack Straw]

Yeah, Kane and Rashford could be a great duo. I think if he wants to win trophies, Bayern would be the best place for him. But I can't blame any English player for not wanting to leave the Premier League.

I wonder what happened to Son. He's having a really bad season. Luckily for Tottenham they have Kulusevski. He looks great.

They struck gold with Kulusevski. Son had that broken bone in his face that's probably been bothering him (wearing the mask) and I think he may have had some other injury earlier on. I know he didn't look good at the beginning of the year.

 

[Fire Tortorella]

Yeah, Kane and Rashford could be a great duo. I think if he wants to win trophies, Bayern would be the best place for him. But I can't blame any English player for not wanting to leave the Premier League.

I wonder what happened to Son. He's having a really bad season. Luckily for Tottenham they have Kulusevski. He looks great.

This is all on top of the fact that Son himself just isn't playing well.

Historically, Son has been allowed to run into space on the left wing. This was true under Poch, Mourinho, and even last year under Conte. This year, Conte has instituted "his" system, which calls for the LWB (usually Perisic) to be the highest player up the field on the left hand side. When Sessengon plays, he usually doesn't start as high, but the idea is the same - Son is supposed to tuck inside and play with his back to goal and facilitate play up field. This is essentially what he's worst at and minimizes what he's best at.

Don't get me wrong, he's not capitalizing on the few chances he is getting, but he's being asked to do something he's not great at.