Soccer beats Hockey in the US

[Arthur Morgan]

Then conduct your own study.


Yeah you did assume…incorrectly. And since there are more US hockey fans than Canada’s entire population, it’s a pretty ignorant comment to make.

even if there are more hockey fans in the US it's still more popular in Canada.

4th most popular sport in USA and it's the most popular in Canada.

you can't say that. you don't speak for everyone, only your self. and no it's not ignorant. hockey just isnt that popular in the Southern States, most people would rather play basketball, football or baseball.

why else do you think they had to add a red line for shots/slapshots and blue lines for passes (Glow Puck)? it's because most American's/Casuals don't find it interesting and have a hard time tracking the puck

 

[Tawnos]

even if there are more hockey fans in the US it's still more popular in Canada.

4th most popular sport in USA and it's the most popular in Canada.

you can't say that. you don't speak for everyone, only your self. and no it's not ignorant. hockey just isnt that popular in the Southern States, most people would rather play basketball, football or baseball.

why else do you think they had to add a red line for shots/slapshots and blue lines for passes (Glow Puck)? it's because most American's/Casuals don't find it interesting and have a hard time tracking the puck

FoxTrax was only used for 3 years more than 25 years ago and was universally panned by diehards and casuals alike. You bringing it up doesn’t reinforce your point. If anything, it proves the opposite: the project was short lived because even casual fans didn’t need it.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

FoxTrax was only used for 3 years more than 25 years ago and was universally panned by diehards and casuals alike. You bringing it up doesn’t reinforce your point. If anything, it proves the opposite: the project was short lived because even casual fans didn’t need it.

I honestly dont care if this conversation goes on any longer even if Im wrong about that one part thats about all Im wrong about

 

[edog37]

I honestly dont care if this conversation goes on any longer even if Im wrong about that one part thats about all Im wrong about

No you’re wrong about a great deal.

even if there are more hockey fans in the US it's still more popular in Canada.

4th most popular sport in USA and it's the most popular in Canada.

you can't say that. you don't speak for everyone, only your self. and no it's not ignorant. hockey just isnt that popular in the Southern States, most people would rather play basketball, football or baseball.

why else do you think they had to add a red line for shots/slapshots and blue lines for passes (Glow Puck)? it's because most American's/Casuals don't find it interesting and have a hard time tracking the puck

Bro I live in the US & am very well versed on US sporting habits. Something you’re clearly not.

You have no clue what you’re talking about. By the way, I hope you get Matthews comes from Arizona…you know..one of those places that doesn’t care about hockey.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

No you’re wrong about a great deal.


Bro I live in the US & am very well versed on US sporting habits. Something you’re clearly not.

You have no clue what you’re talking about. By the way, I hope you get Matthews comes from Arizona…you know..one of those places that doesn’t care about hockey.

No I'm really not but we can agree to disagree

oh so you speak for everyone then lmao Arizona failed miserably, there will be hockey fans everywhere but most would rather watch or play other sports which is why hockey is the least watched sport there

Bettman has been on a mission to grow the NHL in the South for like 20-30 years so really you just dont know what your talking about, it's pretty simple really.... hockey is just more popular in colder areas

 

[edog37]

No I'm really not but we can agree to disagree.
oh so you speak for everyone then lmao Arizona failed miserably, there will be hockey fans everywhere but most would rather watch or play other sports which is why hockey is the least watched sport there

Bettman has been on a mission to grow the NHL in the South for like 20-30 years so really you just dont know what your talking about, it's pretty simple really.... hockey is just more popular in colder areas

Bettman’s strategy has worked out brilliantly. The NHL is now a billion dollar business which stretches continent wide.

Better still, the percentage of US players in the league has been growing. In the not too distant future, the US will supply the majority of talent.

It’s just inevitable.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Bettman’s strategy has worked out brilliantly. The NHL is now a billion dollar business which stretches continent wide.

Better still, the percentage of US players in the league has been growing. In the not too distant future, the US will supply the majority of talent.

It’s just inevitable.

yeah just cost us multiple years of lockouts since he got his job. Im not saying he did a bad job either
the percentage has been growing which is a good thing but still very difficult to get majority of people from the south to enjoy our incredible game.

the problem really is its a cold weather sport. we have some places that are very warm that love hockey for sure but it's just not as accessible for many to play or grow interest.

one day the US will likely supply majority of the talent that's prob because it's just WAY TOO expensive here in Canada now but there will always be HIGH END talent coming out of Canada

 

[Tawnos]

The idea that the lockouts were to protect the southern American markets, but not to protect the vulnerable Canadian markets is laughable. They were for both.

 

[Joe from Maine]

FoxTrax was only used for 3 years more than 25 years ago and was universally panned by diehards and casuals alike. You bringing it up doesn’t reinforce your point. If anything, it proves the opposite: the project was short lived because even casual fans didn’t need it.

I know it was a different time for TV ratings but Fox regular season NHL ratings was a 2.1 for season 1 and 2.0 for season 2. Outstanding ratings by any standard. They did show a few regional games at the same time like MLB does.
Fox wanted to have all Stanley Cup Finals games on broadcast television. Gary Bettman chose ESPN exclusively for 600 million over five years. Probably a mistake. Going to Sports Channel America (51 million for three years and they picked of the 4th year for only 5 million) over ESPN was also an error being in only 20 million homes. Also, choosing the Outdoor Network over ESPN was another blunder. A few extra dollars were prioritized over much needed exposure was in hindsight not a great move. I might add he thought NBC Sports Channel (formally Versus) would be successful as part of the NBC deal for 10 years. Sports Channel America, The Outdoor Network (later Versus) and becoming NBC Sports Channel all went out of business. Overall he is improving with each TV/Media rights deal and has grown to be a very good commissioner. Sorry, I digressed as the Fox years brings back a lot of post traumatic stress over some poor TV deals through the decades. We all want to see the league do well.

 

[End on a Hinote]

one day the US will likely supply majority of the talent that's prob because it's just WAY TOO expensive here in Canada now but there will always be HIGH END talent coming out of Canada

Is hockey that much cheaper, or any cheaper at all, to play in the US as opposed to Canada?

Honest question.

 

[edog37]

Is hockey that much cheaper, or any cheaper at all, to play in the US as opposed to Canada?

Honest question.

No it’s expensive, but so is football.

 

[joelef]

I know it was a different time for TV ratings but Fox regular season NHL ratings was a 2.1 for season 1 and 2.0 for season 2. Outstanding ratings by any standard. They did show a few regional games at the same time like MLB does.
Fox wanted to have all Stanley Cup Finals games on broadcast television. Gary Bettman chose ESPN exclusively for 600 million over five years. Probably a mistake. Going to Sports Channel America (51 million for three years and they picked of the 4th year for only 5 million) over ESPN was also an error being in only 20 million homes. Also, choosing the Outdoor Network over ESPN was another blunder. A few extra dollars were prioritized over much needed exposure was in hindsight not a great move. I might add he thought NBC Sports Channel (formally Versus) would be successful as part of the NBC deal for 10 years. Sports Channel America, The Outdoor Network (later Versus) and becoming NBC Sports Channel all went out of business. Overall he is improving with each TV/Media rights deal and has grown to be a very good commissioner. Sorry, I digressed as the Fox years brings back a lot of post traumatic stress over some poor TV deals through the decades. We all want to see the league do well.

It Dosent help when the whole sport has this mentally that cracking a smile and self promotion is a essentially a war crime

 

[chizzler]

I am surprised how soccer is past hockey in America.

MLS is nothing compared to Europe.

Or Americans prefer national teams?

Nobody takes the MLS serious. I’m in a soccer hotbed and the conversation isn’t on MLS. Avid soccer fans pay attention to Europe leagues. It’s not the top league in its sport. It’s a rec league in most peoples eyes. No disrespect to MLS fans. It’s getting traction but like I said, they aren’t in the same stratosphere as other leagues. Nice to go to in the summer.

 

[Finnen]

Nobody takes the MLS serious. I’m in a soccer hotbed and the conversation isn’t on MLS. Avid soccer fans pay attention to Europe leagues. It’s not the top league in its sport. It’s a rec league in most peoples eyes. No disrespect to MLS fans. It’s getting traction but like I said, they aren’t in the same stratosphere as other leagues. Nice to go to in the summer.

What?

The national league the MLS takes serious in the US and Canada a quess.

I quess the MLS second most populare soccer in the US.

National teams are more populare in the US.

National teams fans are 60 million in the US?

Club teams fans are 37,4 million in the US?

25 million soccer fans watch the MLS in the US and Canada totally?

 

[chizzler]

What?

The national league the MLS takes serious in the US and Canada a quess.

I quess the MLS second most populare soccer in the US.

National teams are more populare in the US.

National teams fans are 60 million in the US?

Club teams fans are 37,4 million in the US?

25 million soccer fans watch the MLS in the US and Canada totally?

Reread my post.

 

[Finnen]

Reread my post.

I quess the national league not Europe leagues first point of view of soccer.

You understand me?

 

[Finnen]

even if there are more hockey fans in the US it's still more popular in Canada.

4th most popular sport in USA and it's the most popular in Canada.

you can't say that. you don't speak for everyone, only your self. and no it's not ignorant. hockey just isnt that popular in the Southern States, most people would rather play basketball, football or baseball.

Hockey still are no1 in Canada. Soccer are no2, no3 or no4 of Canadian's believe?

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Hockey still are no1 in Canada. Soccer are no2, no3 or no4 of Canadian's believe?

seems like you are pretty much right it would make sense that Soccer is prob the highest in participation. everything is just so expensive in Canada now and hockey was already expensive before, its a shame that things are this way because it really hurts hockey overall

 

[Finnen]

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seems like you are pretty much right it would make sense that Soccer is prob the highest in participation. everything is just so expensive in Canada now and hockey was already expensive before, its a shame that things are this way because it really hurts hockey overall

Hockey are first in Canada of fans.

Soccer are second in Canada of fans.

Then basketball, football, baseball and tennis.

American's and Canadian's assess tennis high.

Obviously I am expert about sport because I often read the facts about sport.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Hockey are first in Canada of fans.

Soccer are second in Canada of fans.

Then basketball, football, baseball and tennis.

American's and Canadian's assess tennis high.

Obviously I am expert about sport because I often read the facts about sport.

Research Co. and Glacier Media recently asked Canadians if they consider themselves fans of six different professional sports leagues. A majority (55%) say they are fans of the National Hockey League (NHL). The National Football League (NFL) is a distant second with 36%, ahead of the Canadian Football League (CFL) (32%), the National Basketball Association (31%), Major League Baseball (MLB) (also 31%) and Major League Soccer (22%).

 

[Finnen]

Swedish soccer fans was about 4,3 million in World Cup semi 1994.

I quess 400,000+ 80s watch World Cup semi 1994.

I did not watch World Cup 1994.

Currently about 3-3,8 million Swedish soccer fans of national teams.





Swedish hockey fans was about 3,6 million in Olympics final 2006.

I watch Olympics final 2006.

Currently about 2,6-3,8 million Swedish hockey fans of national teams.

I probably know evenly between football and hockey of fans.

 

[Finnen]

Club hockey is bigger than club soccer in the US.

Club soccer is bigger than club hockey in Sweden?

 

[Finnen]

On social media.

Allsvenskan 2021:

It's time to take the temperature of how the teams manage to engage their fans on social media. The 16 teams together gather over a million followers on Facebook 1,036,276 and 730,275 followers on Instagram.

SHL:

1. Frölunda - 131,000
2. Färjestad - 86,000
3. Leksand - 83,000
4. HV71 - 68,000
5. Luleå - 53,000
6. Skellefteå - 39,000
7. Malmö - 32,000
8. Rögle - 30,000
9. MoDo - 28.000
10. Örebro - 27.000
11. Växjö - 25.000
12. Linköping - 21.000
13. Timrå - 20.000

Before Brynäs join SHL last season?

 

[Bocephus86]

Is hockey that much cheaper, or any cheaper at all, to play in the US as opposed to Canada?

Honest question.

Not at all, its a fallacy Canadian weirdos use

The Canadian dollar is worth 72 US cents. To be on par, the Canadian franchise has to be 30% more successful dollar for dollar than their US counterpart. That's what is happening. The NHL is focusing on the US for global economic factors far beyond our paygrade and this forum. The USD is strong and reliable, that's it.

If I'm billionaire investor #7, I want to investment my USD.

 

[Greatzsky 99]

Reread my post.

its true, NHL NBA NHL MLB a major sports because its the best leagues by far, MLS could have NFL kind of viewership but it would not be a major league anyway, no serious talent would ever consider going to MLS, i dont know where it is ranked in the world, when and if it becomes first for talents to chose it could be major, major is not about viewership or money, it is where the best in the game play, MLS is a nothing in europe, its like Canada caring about czech hockey, they got jagr, miami has messi

according to Football League Rankings | Analysis of Top Football Leagues
its ranked 9th, say its 300 players in each league, that would mean roughly the 2400-2700 best players in the world play in MLS, how on earth could that be Major?

according to Most valuable players


Messi (who im guessing is the most valuable player in MLS) is ranked 325th in the world(tied with a host of others) Think of NHL NBA MLS and NFL, that their best and most valueble player eas ranked 325th in the world

and national sport events versus club events is incomparable, in sweden in the last olympics Curling was the most watched, but on club level.... according to article from 2022 they make 900 dollars per month(the best team) and could get a whopping 270-810 dollars extra per month.