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bernmeister said:
I have lauded most aspects of his game, not so much this, holding back to see.
Glad others are calling it also for an "A" game.

this means, yes, he should finish turning into another Pavel Bure first.
I'd like to see someone else pick up some of it for the deflections, with CK then turned loose to more readily use that blur of a shot.

But a la Patrick Sharp, I'd like at some point, DOWN THE ROAD, to check out how he'd do at C.

I am happy enough to wait for that experiment, and it's nice enough to see he has the vision and passing skill for (at least considering) it (as it was a position he played in college).
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Dude,he is succeeding as a winger,leave it be,there is no reason to put him at center ..none hat so ever man..
 
bernmeister said:
I have lauded most aspects of his game, not so much this, holding back to see.
Glad others are calling it also for an "A" game.

this means, yes, he should finish turning into another Pavel Bure first.
I'd like to see someone else pick up some of it for the deflections, with CK then turned loose to more readily use that blur of a shot.

But a la Patrick Sharp, I'd like at some point, DOWN THE ROAD, to check out how he'd do at C.

I am happy enough to wait for that experiment, and it's nice enough to see he has the vision and passing skill for (at least considering) it (as it was a position he played in college).
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I think he would do very poorly at center.

His straight-away speed is second to none, but his ability to stickhandle in open ice and skate east-west is uuuuggglllyyy. And streaking down the center looking for a breakout pass is a recipe for breaking your neck.
 
GrimNYR8899 said:
Dude,he is succeeding as a winger,leave it be,there is no reason to put him at center ..none hat so ever man..
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as a boston college season ticket holder i can tell you he was never a center in college. he was always a winger.
 
Johnnyduke said:
as a boston college season ticket holder i can tell you he was never a center in college. he was always a winger.
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Don't pay attention to whatever bernmeister is spewing these days. Kreider may have played center in prep school. That's about it. He is, and always will be a winger.
 
Bernmeister just needed to throw it out there that way if at some point he plays center, which is most likely never going to happen, he can bump this thread and gloat because he's the only one around here that predicted he'd be a good NHL player in the first place.

But really Kreider at center doesn't make any sense his stick handling is not good, he's smart but he's not a great playmaker and his speed is best used along the boards especially when going up ice.
 
bernmeister said:
I have lauded most aspects of his game, not so much this, holding back to see.
Glad others are calling it also for an "A" game.

this means, yes, he should finish turning into another Pavel Bure first.
I'd like to see someone else pick up some of it for the deflections, with CK then turned loose to more readily use that blur of a shot.

But a la Patrick Sharp, I'd like at some point, DOWN THE ROAD, to check out how he'd do at C.

I am happy enough to wait for that experiment, and it's nice enough to see he has the vision and passing skill for (at least considering) it (as it was a position he played in college).
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I think he would do very poorly at center.

His straight-away speed is second to none, but his ability to stickhandle in open ice and skate east-west is uuuuggglllyyy. And streaking down the center looking for a breakout pass is a recipe for breaking your neck.
 
Calad said:
Theres also that whole playoff + part of season + playoff thing that he has working against him for calder.
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Calder voting should be all about this season and this season alone. It's not like those few extra games gave kreider super powers that MacKinnon didn't get or something.
 
FromTheSide said:
Calder voting should be all about this season and this season alone. It's not like those few extra games gave kreider super powers that MacKinnon didn't get or something.
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Kreider is also 4 years older. My vote would be for MacK thus far. In order for me to choose Kreider, he would have to have at least 15 more points than MacK.
 
I'm glad he's finally found his game and using his size to his ability. Kid is going to be a force in this league, just wish he could finish a bit better. Could have 20 goals already.
 
SKjEi o2 said:
Kreider is also 4 years older. My vote would be for MacK thus far. In order for me to choose Kreider, he would have to have at least 15 more points than MacK.
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And that's why you shouldn't have a vote for the Calder. It has nothing to do with age. Also Kreider has made quite an impact on games outside of putting up points. That needs to be considered.
 
Anyone who thinks Kreider has a legit shot at the Calder as things stand right now is delusional. MacKinnon is close to a lock at this point. Kreider would need to create some separation in points in order to win.

MacKinnnon is younger, a first overall draft pick, and is helping to lead his team out of the dumpster.

Kreider is older, has a considerable amount of NHL experience, and is playing on a team that is playing right around expectations.

This all weighs on the voters. Kreider would need to beat him in points to win the Calder, and likely by more than a couple.

He'll get a nomination, but won't win. Be realistic.

EDIT:

Also, look at this years rookie crop. It's fantastic. Even being nominated for the Calder would be a huge accomplishment.
 
jasonfilatov said:
And that's why you shouldn't have a vote for the Calder. It has nothing to do with age. Also Kreider has made quite an impact on games outside of putting up points. That needs to be considered.
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It tends to do so in the voting though.

I can't see Kreider winning it unless he has more points than MacKinnon and I don't think he will. MacKinnon's been a beast lately.

Kreider should get consideration though. He's been great this season and making an impact nearly every game. He's been one of the Rangers' best forwards (not that many of them have been great, but still) this season. Great rookie crop this season.
 
If he ups his finishing ability a bit he'll be a legitimate scary threat. Needs to shoot a bit more I think, he's looking for the pass a lot. I like that it appears Nash has rubbed off on him a bit and he's trying some in tight stickhandling moves near the net. Almost got off a pretty goal the other night as he stickhandled to the front of the net, gave the goalie some moves and went back to his forehand and just couldn't get it up over the pad.

Polish up that finishing ability a bit and he could be an all-star
 
Levitate said:
If he ups his finishing ability a bit he'll be a legitimate scary threat. Needs to shoot a bit more I think, he's looking for the pass a lot. I like that it appears Nash has rubbed off on him a bit and he's trying some in tight stickhandling moves near the net. Almost got off a pretty goal the other night as he stickhandled to the front of the net, gave the goalie some moves and went back to his forehand and just couldn't get it up over the pad.

Polish up that finishing ability a bit and he could be an all-star
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I agree he seems to defer to nash however his passing ability has been so good that it usuallyy leads to a nash goal/great scoring chance. I think he needs to be more selfish shooting. I think he has finishing ability but like you said he needs to eb a bit more selfish sometimes
 
jasonfilatov said:
And that's why you shouldn't have a vote for the Calder. It has nothing to do with age. Also Kreider has made quite an impact on games outside of putting up points. That needs to be considered.
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You honestly don't believe age is a factor? Not only is MacKinnon 4 years younger, he also has more points. I love Kreider but if you would vote for him over MacK, it's clear you either haven't seen MacKinnon play, or are a blind fan.
 
ColonialsHockey10 said:
I think he would do very poorly at center.

His straight-away speed is second to none, but his ability to stickhandle in open ice and skate east-west is uuuuggglllyyy. And streaking down the center looking for a breakout pass is a recipe for breaking your neck.
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I have heard the concerns.
Think he would adjust well enough over time.
Your point is well taken.
IMO 99% of the time, Kreider doesn't break his neck on that play -- he break's somebody else's.

however, it's not worth it for that 1%.

Let's agree he's a W and if they're way up in a game and they want to throw him some pivot minutes, well fine then.
 
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