Confirmed with Link: Skinner traded to Buffalo for 2nd, 3rd, 6th, and prospect

[DaveG]

You answered your own question in regards to Skinner. They got rid of him, because they are trying to make the playoffs. Canes had a -28 goal differential last year. Skinner was at -27.

To which people say "But goaltending!" Aho was +4. Jordan was -4. Rask was 0.

You look at guys who're gone so far:
Skinner -27, Ryan -15, Lindholm -8, Hanifin -20, Stempniak -8, Nordstrom -11, Jooris -7, Kruger -6, Dahlbeck -6.

Thing is we need guys that can put the puck in the net. We have some, but we just gave up our best (at least right now) even with his defensive deficiencies. Even factoring in that our offense got better swapping out Ryan, Lindholm, Stempniak, Nordy, and Hanifin for Svechnikov, Necas, Ferland, Zykov, and Hamilton, we were still not likely at all to be one of the better offensive teams in the league this year. And that was with Skinner. Now we have another 25 goals to get from somewhere and hope that CDH and the rest of our defense stepping up is enough to offset the loss we'll have from giving up Faulk.

 

[Brock Anton]

Lindholm, Skinner, Hanifin and potentially Faulk all out the door. Tells me that we’re done with inconsistency on the ice.

Want to stay here? Bring it every night.

 

[the halleJOKEL]

at least this season is about to be interesting af with all the rookies getting big minutes!

 

[Blueline Bomber]

That's a huge leap. It's clear that he means there's more to the game. I would think you, with your views on Eric Staal over the years would appreciate that.

Oh no, I got that. And I don't disagree with him in that regard. Skinner had a very "Staal-like" season, where it was obvious he was only going through the motions and wasn't really helping the team win.

And if they moved Skinner for anything that would help the team win, it'd be fine. But they didn't. They moved him for a garbage return (which, regardless of whether it's the best they could have gotten, is still a garbage return), and there doesn't seem to be any urgency in addressing the actual issues on this team.

We had a good defense, a poor offense, and godawful goaltending last year. So far, we've traded Hanifin, Lindholm, and Skinner and might have improved our defense. That seems idiotic.

 

[Joe McGrath]

That's fine and dandy, but every year, this team has a month (usually relatively early in the season) where they just cannot score. Where they put up something like 10 goals in 13 games.

Even if we assume Aho continues his progression, and Svech and Necas impress, there's still a severe lack of offensive talent on this team, and it doesn't seem to concern the guy making the decisions.

I mean, we're going to have Darling and Mrazek in net. They're going to allow goals, regardless of our defense. So who's going to be scoring to offset that?

Last year that month you refer to was January when they absolutely needed to win games to stay in the playoff race and Skinner had something like 2 goals that month. His futility was as big a reason as any they fell out of the race last year.

 

[Unsustainable]

 

[DaveG]

Oh no, I got that. And I don't disagree with him in that regard. Skinner had a very "Staal-like" season, where it was obvious he was only going through the motions and wasn't really helping the team win.

And if they moved Skinner for anything that would help the team win, it'd be fine. But they didn't. They moved him for a garbage return (which, regardless of whether it's the best they could have gotten, is still a garbage return), and there doesn't seem to be any urgency in addressing the actual issues on this team.

We had a good defense, a poor offense, and godawful goaltending last year. So far, we've traded Hanifin, Lindholm, and Skinner and might have improved our defense. That seems idiotic.

Bingo. And we let the better of the two shit goalies walk for nothing to Chicago instead of buying out the sunk cost one.

We're going to have to win a lot of 2-1 games right now, and I'm not sure we have the goaltending for that. We never have, even with having a defense that's better than any we've ever iced by a long ways right now.

 

[Drivebytrucker]

we didnt get a good return because he put out a crap effort last season, look like he didnt care and is one hit away from never playing again

wait to see what happens..... maybe we pick up some salary in another move

 

[Hulkacaniac]

Disappointed but not surprised. Knew it was coming, knew it would underwhelming. Just look at hossa or kovalchuk trades. Though I think cliff pu is a bit undervalued. He'll never be as good as skinner, but he will fit a role at some point.

the roster turnover has been crazy. It's almost like we're going in next year as an expansion team.

 

[Novacane]

at least this season is about to be interesting af with all the rookies getting big minutes!

Sink or swim bitches

 

[DaveG]

Disappointed but not surprised. Knew it was coming, knew it would underwhelming. Just look at hossa or kovalchuk trades. Though I think cliff pu is a bit undervalued. He'll never be as good as skinner, but he will fit a role at some point.

the roster turnover has been crazy. It's almost like we're going in next year as an expansion team.

Agreed, I'm fairly bullish on Pu in all honesty... in about 2-3 years. Hopefully he won't have the same level of growing pains in Charlotte that Goat did this past season as we need more guys that can play that type of game.

Of course, if there's something out there to be had around Stone when his arbitration is announced I'd take that in a second to replace Skinner, even if we're giving up more than we just got for Skinner.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Let's be honest: Is anyone really expecting Faulk to be traded for a return that will address either our problem in scoring goals or our problem in net?

If the answer is no, then we would have traded 4 of our best trade assets and done nothing to fix the issues of the past season. And suddenly, our ability to actually address them through a trade is...very limited.

 

[Canes]

I really don't like it, but I was prepared to be underwhelmed given Waddell seemed hellbent on trading him and Skinner's NTC. Oh well. Prepared to get reamed on the Faulk deal too.

I'll miss Jeff for sure. He gave us hope one point too, that rookie season and the 37 goal season. It's too bad we couldn't adequately build around him while he was here.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Oh no, I got that. And I don't disagree with him in that regard. Skinner had a very "Staal-like" season, where it was obvious he was only going through the motions and wasn't really helping the team win.

And if they moved Skinner for anything that would help the team win, it'd be fine. But they didn't. They moved him for a garbage return (which, regardless of whether it's the best they could have gotten, is still a garbage return), and there doesn't seem to be any urgency in addressing the actual issues on this team.

We had a good defense, a poor offense, and godawful goaltending last year. So far, we've traded Hanifin, Lindholm, and Skinner and might have improved our defense. That seems idiotic.

Skinner was atrocious defensively. Hanifin was atrocious defensively. Lindholm has scored 11, 11, 16 (but only 2 from January on) goals the last 3 years.

Compared to last year: Hamilton's goals = Lindholms. Ferland's goals = Skinners. It's not a reach to assume that Svechnikov, Necas, De Haan, etc.. will suspass the other guys moved out.

This isn't about just scoring goals. Right or wrong, this was about moving guys out that are 1 dimensional and who hurt the team as much as they help it.

 

[Canes]

Lindholm, Skinner, Hanifin and potentially Faulk all out the door. Tells me that we’re done with inconsistency on the ice.

Want to stay here? Bring it every night.

Yet Rask and Darling are still here.

Basically bring it every night unless we can't give you away for free, then we'll keep you anyway.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Let's be honest: Is anyone really expecting Faulk to be traded for a return that will address either our problem in scoring goals or our problem in net?

If the answer is no, then we would have traded 4 of our best trade assets and done nothing to fix the issues of the past season. And suddenly, our ability to actually address them through a trade is...very limited.

I mean, maybe just the shake up of the locker room is going to make a difference. If Faulk can return a 30 goal scoring winger which I think he can get close to it, they've improved the defense and done a shakeup of the locker room. Another year of growth from Aho and adding Svechnikov can make the difference.

On top of that there is no way that Darling can be that terrible again this year.

 

[sheriff bart]

For old times sake

One hit away

 

[A Star is Burns]

Perhaps if Brindy really does model himself after Lavi, he can make a Lavi or Boudreau like impact and get some increased offense out of guys.

The one good thing if we're looking for increased production out of guys, they're mostly young and that ability to improve production is conceivably there. And then of course there is the awful defense we're getting rid of.

I don't love it by any means, but I get it. I'll still take it over losing him for nothing.

I do hope we have other moves up our sleeves, though.

 

[AeroFishOne]

Yet Rask and Darling are still here.

Basically bring it every night unless we can't give you away for free, then we'll keep you anyway.

Well considering beyond free is eating millions in dollars of salary on an already cash strapped team, I believe you give it one more go then take action on buyouts.

 

[sheriff bart]

Double post

 

[Canes]

Now that I'm over being disappointed already, I'm actually pretty excited about Pu. I think he'll be a great complementary middle 6 type forward in a few years. Wouldn't have minded him in the 2nd or 3rd round in 2016. I'm just disappointed in the quantity over quality draft picks. Hopefully we can move up in the draft next year.

 

[sheriff bart]

Skinny, it was nice knowing you

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

For old times sake

One hit away

Good night sweet prince

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

I really don't like it, but I was prepared to be underwhelmed given Waddell seemed hellbent on trading him and Skinner's NTC. Oh well. Prepared to get reamed on the Faulk deal too.

I'll miss Jeff for sure. He gave us hope one point too, that rookie season and the 37 goal season. It's too bad we couldn't adequately build around him while he was here.

You can’t build around Skinner.

 

[Canes]

Well considering beyond free is eating millions in dollars of salary on an already cash strapped team, I believe you give it one more go then take action on buyouts.

I get the reasoning. I still feel like Waddell probably doesn't think we'll be much of a playoff threat for at least another year so why not keep these guys an extra year or two to save on a potential buyout. It makes sense.