Confirmed with Link: Skinner traded to Buffalo for 2nd, 3rd, 6th, and prospect

[spockBokk]

I’m very underwhelmed by the return, but it is what it is. The braintrust was hellbent on trading Skinner, evidently overplayed their hand at the draft by asking for too much (speculation on my part), and now they settle for this pile of Pu.

I’m thinking the market for Faulk must be ass right now too. I hate to say it, but maybe now we go back to Detroit and and see if something like Nyquist plus Anathansiou is still on the table. I can’t see the braintrust not getting another proven scorer to replace Skinner’s 20g if they really are serious about the playoffs this year.

 

[sheriff bart]

What in the wide wide world of sports is going on here?

Harrumph

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

If the Sabres flip Skinner for a 1st at the trade deadline, I'm going to have an out of body experience.

Here's how I look at it. If the Canes traded him at the deadline, it would likely be a Sekera type return (late 1st and a good, but not great prospect). If the Sabres are flipping him at the deadline, it means the Sabres suck so their 2nd is likely to be a high 2nd round pick. I don't know much about Pu, but from what I've heard, he's a very good prospect.

Is a high 2nd, Pu, a 3rd and a 6th that much different than a late 1st round pick and a good, but not great prospect? Probably not. A lot of it depends on Pu. If the guys is the real deal, then this works out for the Canes. If not, it's a shitty return for the Canes.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Gee I wonder why the market for Skinner and Faulk sucks? Could it be because other teams have GMs and scouts that watched how f***ing terrible they were last year?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Buffalo will end up with a better return flipping him at the TDL.

IMO, Skinner is worth a late 1st and decent, but not great prospect at the deadline. If Buffalo is selling at the deadline, it means they suck. Is a high 2nd round pick, Pu, a 3rd and a 6th really any worse than the deadline return for Skinner? I guess it depends on how good Pu is.

 

[Drivebytrucker]

this skinner love is the equivalent of stockholm syndrome

We'll be fine. Hes like a year or two away from being the league's next Alex Semin

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Gee I wonder why the market for Skinner and Faulk sucks? Could it be because other teams have GMs and scouts that watched how ****ing terrible they were last year?

Oh please, like they pay attention.

Maybe this will lead to us trading for a true top line winger like Corey Perry!

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I just realized the best part of this deal. From now on, we can go to the main boards and say "Jeff Skinner is one hit away" all the time and not feel bad about it!

 

[DaveG]

I’m very underwhelmed by the return, but it is what it is. The braintrust was hellbent on trading Skinner, evidently overplayed their hand at the draft by asking for too much (speculation on my part), and now they settle for this pile of Pu.

I’m thinking the market for Faulk must be ass right now too. I hate to say it, but maybe now we go back to Detroit and and see if something like Nyquist plus Anathansiou is still on the table. I can’t see the braintrust not getting another proven scorer to replace Skinner’s 20g if they really are serious about the playoffs this year.

Gus+ for Faulk would not be a worst case scenario for this at this point. I still kick the tires one more time on Faulk for Saad or a Tampa deal.

 

[Caniac4ever]

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Hes complete dog**** in his own zone, questionable work ethic, doesnt make players around him better, not a leader

think getting rid of him improves our odds

Interesting perspective that removing one of our top goal scorers improves our odds of making the playoffs. I have no problem not committing to him long term, but to ship him out now for nothing that can help us now in return has to be considered a loss IMO.

 

[Ole Gil]

Why not just hold onto Skinner and Faulk and shoot for the playoffs?

You answered your own question in regards to Skinner. They got rid of him, because they are trying to make the playoffs. Canes had a -28 goal differential last year. Skinner was at -27.

To which people say "But goaltending!" Aho was +4. Jordan was -4. Rask was 0.

You look at guys who're gone so far:
Skinner -27, Ryan -15, Lindholm -8, Hanifin -20, Stempniak -8, Nordstrom -11, Jooris -7, Kruger -6, Dahlbeck -6.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

So Waddell doesn't think we need to score goals to win.

 

[AhoLottaLove]

I think this trade is a very good thing for team culture. For seven seasons now we've sent a message to the rest of the team that you can be a whiner and slack off defensively so long as you can score.

Name a team that has won a Stanley cup with a player like that on the roster. Hard to preach accountability and create a winning culture when you can only apply it to certain players.

If you want to blame anyone blame Francis for not trading him a couple seasons ago. Or JR for giving him a NTC. Peters diminished his value because he put him on the third line but that's because he was trying to win hockey games. Hard to do with a player like Skinner on the roster who won't compete hard in both ends.

I would have liked a better return but the GMs on the other teams aren't fools. They know who they're getting and they know it's likely for one season.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

You answered your own question in regards to Skinner. They got rid of him, because they are trying to make the playoffs. Canes had a -28 goal differential last year. Skinner was at -27.

To which people say "But goaltending!" Aho was +4. Jordan was -4. Rask was 0.

You look at guys who're gone so far:
Skinner -27, Ryan -15, Lindholm -8, Hanifin -20, Stempniak -8, Nordstrom -11, Jooris -7, Kruger -6, Dahlbeck -6.

In a way you’re right.

In another way, in an organization that just gave Eric Tulsky a major promotion, I hope the decision making behind their roster moves is more refined than this.

 

[Joe McGrath]

So Waddell doesn't think we need to score goals to win.

Well if a player is on the ice for 50 goals for and 70 goals against those goals for don’t mean f*** all.

 

[GoldiFox]

Cory’s twitter with Waddell makes it seem like Skinner had to go (maybe Rod’s request?) so the Canes just held their nose and took the best offer

I like Zykov to fill that top-9 LW spot. Could explain the signing of PDG and Maenelainen on top of their depth.

 

[Brock Anton]

I mean, Ferland can score 15-20, Svechnikov should be good for 20-25 and with guys like Aho, Turbo, Williams etc. still here, I’m not really all that worried about losing Skinner, who would give you 35 ..... or 18, depending on how he felt that season.

 

[Drivebytrucker]

Interesting perspective that removing one of our top goal scorers improves our odds of making the playoffs. I have no problem not committing to him long term, but to ship him out now for nothing that can help us now in return has to be considered a loss IMO.

Hes not going to be playing big PP minutes, he doesnt kill penalties and he's terrible even strength.

it is what it is.... he's not somebody youre going to win with.

and guess what? we never have!

 

[Unsustainable]

Cory’s twitter with Waddell makes it seem like Skinner had to go (maybe Rod’s request?) so the Canes just held their nose and took the best offer

I like Zykov to fill that top-9 LW spot. Could explain the signing of PDG and Maenelainen on top of their depth.

Or Skinner being a petulant child using his NMC to keep from getting a good return?

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Well if a player is on the ice for 50 goals for and 70 goals against those goals for don’t mean **** all.

That's fine and dandy, but every year, this team has a month (usually relatively early in the season) where they just cannot score. Where they put up something like 10 goals in 13 games.

Even if we assume Aho continues his progression, and Svech and Necas impress, there's still a severe lack of offensive talent on this team, and it doesn't seem to concern the guy making the decisions.

I mean, we're going to have Darling and Mrazek in net. They're going to allow goals, regardless of our defense. So who's going to be scoring to offset that?

 

[GoldiFox]

Or Skinner being a petulant child using his NMC to keep from getting a good return?

He negotiated that NMC from a poorly equipped JR. Presumably he gave up money to get it and it is his right to use it. Is what it is.

 

[Unsustainable]

He negotiated that NMC from a poorly equipped JR. Presumably he gave up money to get it and it is his right to use it. Is what it is.

JR gave out NMC / NTC like candy

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

So Waddell doesn't think we need to score goals to win.

That's a huge leap. It's clear that he means there's more to the game. I would think you, with your views on Eric Staal over the years would appreciate that.

 

[Bunch of Jurcos]

Hes not going to be playing big PP minutes, he doesnt kill penalties and he's terrible even strength.

it is what it is.... he's not somebody youre going to win with.

and guess what? we never have!

And they were hesitant to use him in overtime.

 

[Drivebytrucker]

i see brindy all this move. skinner is not his type of guy