They hadn’t because they never put him on waivers. Even if he asked them all and got shot down, they should’ve waived him before paying to get rid of him. Regardless, it’s a negative whether he got rid of him for nothing or not. This was a mistake to not get something for him. Hell, a buyout at least lets you keep the pick and would’ve been cheap.
Confirmed Trade: [SJS/DET] Jake Walman and 2024 2nd round pick for future considerations
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bleedgreen
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Cap space is the most valuable thing in the league. I think every gm in the league would choose giving up a second rounder over a buyout. Putting him on waivers is a ridiculous move mid summer. If someone wanted him for free they would just take him for free. Yzerman could win three cups in a row and people would still be tearing him down over crap like this.
They’re five pts out of a wild card spot with two games in hand on Philly and Boston. It’s December. They’ve been better every year under Yzerman and missed the playoffs on the last night by a point last year. This would be the first actual year of disappointment under the guy if they don’t make it. He’s come this far without a star and losing the lottery multiple times.
He’d still be hired by many teams tomorrow if he was free and they needed a gm. He inherited one of the worst situations in the cap era. A team with cap issues, with vets no one wanted on long term deals, no big prospects and no extra picks. Gimme a break. He’s doing the job.
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The Wings got ASP for Hronek, I think that's a good deal.
oceanchild
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The reporting was the Yzerman did not make him available and that it was a targeted trade.
Lots of good players come from the second round… elite forwards at times. Why give the second up?
You can think that about every GM but it isn’t true. Getting value out of draft picks and elc’s is more important than the space. Putting him on waivers in the summer is a normal occurrence. Goodrow was claimed off waivers in the summer. It was clearly known the Sharks were open for business with waivers if it came to that but Yzerman jumped the gun. Yzerman’s job isn’t in jeopardy because of this deal but it is a clear negative. He’s the one that gave Walman the deal that needed to be cleared in the first place so regardless, he bears responsibility for it.
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Who’s the last elite forward to be drafted 53rd overall or lower? Kaprizov when the “Russian factor” was still a thing? It’s not a valuable pick at all.
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Second round NHL draft picks<br>Points leaders
Second round NHL draft picks<br>Points leaders
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Getting paid a 2nd round pick to take a #1 defenseman locked up for 2 years at 3.4mil AAV.
Not bad!
Not bad!
Pavels Dog
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They paid a 2nd that they got for free in another trade. It's not amazing but it's also not terrible. Bottom line is they didn't want Walman on the team.
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If Red Wings fans are happy Walman is gone and Sharks fans are happy they have Walman, what's the problem?
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We are not happy he is gone, we have no idea what is wrong with him. My guess is both GM know the reason, but they are not telling us, so no reason to continue to speculate
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I mean he'd have to make the playoffs first.
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Earliest birth year I saw was 1951, so the 1969 draft. Let's call it 1970 and only count through 2020. 50 years of drafts, let's call it approx. 30 years of 30 teams and 20 years of 20. 1300 draft picks from the second round, roughly.Second round NHL draft picks<br>Points leaders
Second round NHL draft picks<br>Points leaders
454 of those picks (roughly 1/3) played more than 200 NHL games. 454th is Rocco Grimaldi.
48 of them played more than 1000 games, around 3-4%. The 48th is Steve Staios.
149 of them had over 0.5ppg, 21 of those fewer than 100 games, 2 of those are Hutson and Stankoven. So, 130 of 1300 played over 100 games at over 0.5ppg.
So a second round pick roughly gives you a 4% chance at a 1000 game player, a 10% chance at a guy who scores over 0.5ppg for over 100 games, and 33% chance at a guy who plays 200 games.
Anyway, this trade will continue to be a head scratcher but it doesn't have to prove the point that Yzerman is a genius or that he's an idiot, it can just be a head scratcher trade and we move on.
Paying anyone anything to get rid of cap is a negative regardless of where you got that pick. It’s bad asset management and them not wanting Walman should’ve been the call before they signed him to the contract they dumped.
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Using the same methodology, a second-round pick has about one-third the value of a first round pick. Neither is a sure thing, but a second-rounder is still a fairly significant asset.
My back-of-the napkin calculations using the same methodology are that a first-rounder has about a 15% chance of playing 1,000 games as opposed to your 4% for a second; about 67% of playing 200 games to 33%; and 40% of >0.5 ppg for 100 games, compared to 10% for a second.
The methodology is very rough -- a second-round pick in 1970 would be a first-rounder now; and a second-rounder now would be a third-, fourth- or even fifth-rounder then. However, neither of us are trying to re-invent the theory of relativity here, and what you've come up with is more than good enough for the purpose of illustration.
At any rate, a second-round pick even today is nothing to sneeze at.
As I posted before, it was reported he was only offered to a few teams.
“The other puzzling thing is that Yzerman apparently didn’t shop Walman around a ton. Based off some of my conversations and reading reports from others, there were multiple teams that would have been interested in actually trading something for Walman.”
What I've learned, if anything, about the Jake Walman trade
Two days after the deal we are still trying to figure out exactly what happened.
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bleedgreen
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Ok that’s super speculative and does not come off as a real source. He’s referring to other things he’s read! Not buying it. The idea that a gm didn’t actually shop a player around then attached a second round pick is preposterous. You have to so deeply lean into your hate for Yzerman to believe that as far as you can throw it. That’s just not true. Let’s look for articles that say the sky is actually green, I’m sure we can find them. If I can provide a link it’s true.As I posted before, it was reported he was only offered to a few teams.
“The other puzzling thing is that Yzerman apparently didn’t shop Walman around a ton. Based off some of my conversations and reading reports from others, there were multiple teams that would have been interested in actually trading something for Walman.”
What I've learned, if anything, about the Jake Walman trade
Two days after the deal we are still trying to figure out exactly what happened.
My lord, the dedication to the agenda runs so deep it’s kind of scary.
Ps…..”fan supported”.
He’s basically one of us trying to get paid as a writer. He could use some grammar lessons perusing his substack. I can’t believe you’re trying to use that as a source to prove Yzerman doesn’t even try to do his job.
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The author said he had conversations with insiders on the topic in support of his understanding. What evidence to the contrary do you have? The irony that you are calling his position “super speculative” when yours is purely assumption-based is hilarious. My lord the dedication to the agenda runs so deep it’s kind of scary.
My best guess is Yzerman had a trade come up he needed cap space to finalize so he did what he had to in order to create cap space ASAP, and then that trade never came to fruition.
And to be clear, I respect Yzerman. What I do not respect is people who ignore information available in the public domain when forming opinions because it challenges their poorly-conceived beliefs, and the unwillingness to reconsider those beliefs when information is presented to counter their ignorance.
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