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Confirmed with Link: Sir Patrick Roy named Isles head coach!

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Lafleurs Guy said:
1. Larry Robinson and Patrick Roy are night and day different. Larry can coach here anytime.

2. Your whole MSL is a spineless company man is based on nothing.

3. Pezz probably will get dealt at some point. That’s what happens with scrubs. But the whole MSL doesn’t want a physical team makes no sense at all.

4. I have zero problem with a coach chewing someone out. But you don’t have to do it in front of the cameras.

Being a jackass and bashing players on the TV is not alpha in any way. They can’t control him? Then why the f*** would you hire him? You’re supposed to be working together.

And again, last time he was in the NHL he stormed off on Sakic for not doing things his way. Sakic promptly built a contender and won a cup.

Why the hell do we want this guy again?
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It's funny you think Pez is a scrub, his production and ability to lay a hit says otherwise. He plays his role perfectly. You obviously like soft players, and Beta males, I'm not into those type of teams or coaches so we will never agree on this. We agree on many other things, but the list above isn't one of them.
 
dinodebino said:
I dunno…maybe the mystical last two cup wins? Cups that should not have happened if not for his greatness at peak time? Maybe because his style lead way to a generation of technical goalies, that brought forth the likes of Luongo, Fleury, Price et al?

He’s a Montreal Canadiens HOF icon. That might explain this cult. I dunno, just guessing here.

And although his coaching record to some is not much (still won twise as much as he lost), he’s such an immense figure because of his status in hockey and his extraordinary will to win.

Look at this forum : we even created a thread for him, and he’s coaching another team! Go look at social media: it’s been set on fire in this province, on a day where our venerated hockey team gets shallacked by a traditional rival as it they weren’t in the same league.

I think by having this thread, you should have answered your own question.

This week will all be about the Thursday game. RDS will get AWESOME ratings for that one. And there is a good chance that we get pummeled physically during that game. New coach, new energy. And facing a team of whimps.
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Why do people keep going back to his cult status as a player when I'm specifically speaking about his cult status as HC/staff?
 
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Habs said:
It's funny you think Pez is a scrub, his production and ability to lay a hit says otherwise. He plays his role perfectly. You obviously like soft players, and Beta males, I'm not into those type of teams or coaches so we will never agree on this. We agree on many other things, but the list above isn't one of them.
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Pezz is being played isn’t he? So what’s the issue?

And again, there’s nothing alpha about throwing tantrums. That makes someone and idiot not an alpha.
 
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Lafleurs Guy said:
So what happened in Colorado?

He storms off and they build a contender and win.


You know who coached that way? Therrien. Worst coach in the league. Great record though - until Price would get hurt. Then we’d fall to last place.


The NHL is absolutely a development league when you’re rebuilding. Tons of teams have done it before with great success. And you need the right kind of coach for that. Not a guy who’s going to scream at you and bench you after a mistake. We “developed” that way for years and it didn’t work.

All I heard around here was that TT couldn’t draft. Well look at his late picks now. Many are panning out all of a sudden because we’re developing them the right way.

Roy would be a huge step backwards. It’s beyond me how you could watch how we ran things for the last thirty years and think going back to that old way is going to yield success. Haven’t we learned anything from those Pat gongshows?
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I'm not saying that's my point of view. That's clearly an angle I can see Roy try to justify not having your favorite rookies on the first line though. Rather be with the clueless coach right now, than with the win at all cost one.

And I never voiced support to hire Roy. Ever...
 
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Chili said:
Lou has his cup rings and legend, probably one of the few gm's not afraid to hire Saint Patrick. As they said on the Isles board, say goodbye to the country club.
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And hello to whips, chainsaw and bag skates! Seriously, glad he’s getting another shot, hope he does great and shuts up people who say your coach has to be your best friend!!!
 
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Lafleurs Guy said:
No doubt that if DD had stayed CC would’ve never hit expectations. It’d be another Galchenyuk situation where we badly misused a player and he never reached his potential. Could another coach have done that? Okay… maybe. But the point is that MSL actually did rescue him.

And look at Guehle, Slaf, Dach, Newhook… all developing really well - when healthy. He’s the perfect coach for what we’re doing now.


Okay. Credit him for his success in the minors. Credit him for his Jack Adams. But don’t forget how his relationships tend to end. He’s highly volatile. You really want that kind of chaos around a bunch of developing kids? I mean, how can you not be happy with the job MSL has done here? You really think Roy would be better?
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Oh no I never advocated Roy to come to come to Montreal haha but I totally smell what you’re stepping in
 
Habs said:
Absolutely, they can't control him. Robinson was an Alpha male too, MSL is a total Beta who fits the mold of management, a total puppet. Doesn't make MSL a bad guy, just means Marty will accept whatever bag of dweebs he's given and say 'thanks'. Guys like Roy would demand a certain team to fit their idea of what works. Guys like Arbs would be up here, useless pleebs like Armia, Evans, Harris would be on the farm. The response from Marty after getting cringed out in the goofy ceremony, then allowing the boys to miss assignements and let players go untouched around the net .. pathetic. I don't need guys running around like idiots hitting people, but just an ounce of pride in the CH, perhaps stemming from the guy behind the bench, that would be nice. Anderson , who gets mocked relentlessly , he gets it. I bet they trade him, they don't want guys like that here , I'm convinced of it. Pez is probably gone too.

This rebuild is going to be even more painful if the coach isn't demanding 100% on the ice. Just an ounce of emotion from the knuckleheads back there , that's what I want. Chew somebody out? Anyone?
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Hmmm, exactly....Marty will accept it as it's not his decision to make in the end cause there's a whole organization behind him from GM, Owner, President, Capologist, Asst-GM and many other with a job to do which include to make those decision, it's not coach alone that can take those decision.

Will Patrick accept it or throw a tantrum and pick fights with management?

And again, MSL do have also his temper, last year he made it clear he was forced to dress Farrell and wasn't happy about it.

As I said, you need a team player in a organization and not a one man show.
 
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Lafleurs Guy said:
He’ll always be polarizing. People are entitled to their own opinions on him but I’m not a fan.
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I think he has shown that he is prone to making erroneous decisions when he is angry. He quit on the team. He quit on the avs as a coach. He'd quit as a GM if he didn't agree with the owner. He'd quit as the owner if the money wasn't good enough. He'd quit money if it didn't buy him the things he wants. I think he'd even quit being God if he couldn't control his creations.

He's just not someone I would bet on, that fiery mentality works in sports because it keeps you on your game, especially as a goalie where you are not relying on team mates as much. It doesn't work in management, it just makes your colleagues not want to work with you.

I think he would demand players he doesn't like get traded out. if he had any GM influence he would draft based on gut feeling instead of real metrics, which would be great some of the time and horrible at others.

I could see him clashing with any stars because his ego wouldn't let him let another player become as beloved as him. The way Therrien did with Subban, for other reasons I'm not gonna say. Bergevin didn't want players bigger than the team, but Roy wouldn't want players bigger than the coach. I see him as a complete 180 of Marty personality wise, there's a reason Roy didn't stay a career Hab and he's as much to blame as anyone.

Yeah sure, he finally won a memorial cup, after coaching for 13 years at that level with the biggest budget in the CHL with many Quebec and Import talent forcing their way to him. He's probably got the best record percentage wise but I don't think anyone would say he's the best coach in q history. A great coach wouldn't be there for that long, though Roy will always paint the narrative he picks his spots and turned down many offers, etc.

I think it would be a disaster if he ever came here for everyone but the media and fans of rival teams.
 
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Ezpz said:
I think he has shown that he is prone to making erroneous decisions when he is angry. He quit on the team. He quit on the avs as a coach. He'd quit as a GM if he didn't agree with the owner. He'd quit as the owner if the money wasn't good enough. He'd quit money if it didn't buy him the things he wants. I think he'd even quit being God if he couldn't control his creations.

He's just not someone I would bet on, that fiery mentality works in sports because it keeps you on your game, especially as a goalie where you are not relying on team mates as much. It doesn't work in management, it just makes your colleagues not want to work with you.

I think he would demand players he doesn't like get traded out. if he had any GM influence he would draft based on gut feeling instead of real metrics, which would be great some of the time and horrible at others.

I could see him clashing with any stars because his ego wouldn't let him let another player become as beloved as him. The way Therrien did with Subban, for other reasons I'm not gonna say. Bergevin didn't want players bigger than the team, but Roy wouldn't want players bigger than the coach. I see him as a complete 180 of Marty personality wise, there's a reason Roy didn't stay a career Hab and he's as much to blame as anyone.

Yeah sure, he finally won a memorial cup, after coaching for 13 years at that level with the biggest budget in the CHL with many Quebec and Import talent forcing their way to him. He's probably got the best record percentage wise but I don't think anyone would say he's the best coach in q history. A great coach wouldn't be there for that long, though Roy will always paint the narrative he picks his spots and turned down many offers, etc.

I think it would be a disaster if he ever came here for everyone but the media and fans of rival teams.
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He’s outwardly passionate and I think sometime people think that means he cares more than others. I dont agree with that line of thinking.

Polarizing to say the least. Not my guy but I respect that others disagree. Who knows? Maybe he kills it with the Islanders.
 
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Habs said:
Absolutely, they can't control him. Robinson was an Alpha male too, MSL is a total Beta who fits the mold of management, a total puppet. Doesn't make MSL a bad guy, just means Marty will accept whatever bag of dweebs he's given and say 'thanks'. Guys like Roy would demand a certain team to fit their idea of what works. Guys like Arbs would be up here, useless pleebs like Armia, Evans, Harris would be on the farm. The response from Marty after getting cringed out in the goofy ceremony, then allowing the boys to miss assignements and let players go untouched around the net .. pathetic. I don't need guys running around like idiots hitting people, but just an ounce of pride in the CH, perhaps stemming from the guy behind the bench, that would be nice. Anderson , who gets mocked relentlessly , he gets it. I bet they trade him, they don't want guys like that here , I'm convinced of it. Pez is probably gone too.

This rebuild is going to be even more painful if the coach isn't demanding 100% on the ice. Just an ounce of emotion from the knuckleheads back there , that's what I want. Chew somebody out? Anyone?
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This is one of the weirdest post I have read in a while. I'm definitely not a fan of St-Louis as a coach, but what the hell does that have to do with alpha male bullshit theory?

You do know that St-Louis beat all the odds and went from undrafted to being a hall of fame, right? While you're obssessing about his "male qualities", this guy polishes his Stanley Cup ring and is a successful athlete, family man and a millionaire. I think he's going to be fine if he's not "alpha enough" for you.
 
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Habs missed the boat. Sens too. Roy was the ideal headcoach for any of these two orgs.

Lafleurs Guy said:
I’ve said my piece. Roy was a great goalie and deserves the retired jersey. But GM/coach whatever? No thanks.
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He has proven that he can do an excellent job at NHL and Junior level with kids in the last decade.
 
A whole lot of talk about being welcoming of alpha males loll to each his own :sarcasm:

Who else his gonna watch a bit of Tva sports for the level of cringe
 
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The Islanders seems to be have been quite a bit, and possibly too much, in the box. In that regards, Roy may just be the change they needed. No clue as to what will happen on the longer term.
 
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