Should we strongly consider Trading W. Nylander while his value is high?

[Mr Bill Waters]

Never. I look forward to watching his elegant skating strides through the neutral zone and his offensive zone perimeter possession dominance for the next decade and ahalf. Then, the year is 2036 and up to the rafters is retired 88. He'll still have his boyish goodlooks on that day and he will have finished his career with 900 odd points. A career well played and a life well lived. He may not play hard but he's style will go the mile(s). All hail the King. Long live the King. The King is not dead. Long live the King.

 

[Antropovsky]

Nylander - 10 goals, 19 points in 19 post season games (last 3 years)
Marner - 2 goals, 16 points in last 19 post season games.

Has Nylander made the glaring mistakes that led to goals that Marner had int he post season either?

Marner 11 million
Nylander 7 million

Honestly if I was a coach and needed a goal in the dying minutes of a playoff game, I wouldn't hesitate to put Nylander out over Marner if I had to choose between the two players.

We still need to get our 11 million dollar player to score and be a game breaker when we need it most. Nylander continues to outproduce his contract in the playoffs - poor guy makes 7 million but gets held to the same standards as his 11 million dollar linemates.

 

[paulhiggins]

I think the people unsatisfied with Nylander are the same people that are striving for perfection and improvement in their own careers, rather than being satisfied that there is no room for improvement. There should always be continuous improvement and drive to be better for those concerned with reaching their potentials, in hockey and all other fields. To be complacent and stagnant and satisfied with "what you've got" are not characteristics of the successful.

 

[CelticDruid]

Never. I look forward to watching his elegant skating strides through the neutral zone and his offensive zone perimeter possession dominance for the next decade and ahalf. Then, the year is 2036 and up to the rafters is retired 88. He'll still have his boyish goodlooks on that day and he will have finished his career with 900 odd points. A career well played and a life well lived. He may not play hard but he's style will go the mile(s). All hail the King. Long live the King. The King is not dead. Long live the King.

How much did you pay for the mushrooms?

 

[Koolboss]

Yet here you are…..

Here to spread the word and maybe save a few from major disappointments. ie. last 3 years

 

[Antropovsky]

Nylander has been our most dependable playoff goal scorer for two straight seasons. Yes, let's trade him... He's a bargain at 7 million. But yes... on a team loaded with overpaid players, let's trade one of our few good contracts.

 

[ToneDog]

Nylander has been our most dependable playoff goal scorer for two straight seasons. Yes, let's trade him... He's a bargain at 7 million. But yes... on a team loaded with overpaid players, let's trade one of our few good contracts.

Next option is 16

I'd move both if I could get the right pieces for them, but no want Kyle making those trades.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

If I was dubas I try and package Nylander + sandin or Niemela for 2nd overall. Cooley I believe ends up a better version of Nylander but a center. Once Tavares contract is up I believe Cooley would be ready for 2c. We also clear Nylander cap to improve the team now.
Future top 6
Bunting Matthews Marner
Knies Cooley Nichushkin

 

[Gabriel426]

If I was dubas I try and package Nylander + sandin or Niemela for 2nd overall. Cooley I believe ends up a better version of Nylander but a center. Once Tavares contract is up I believe Cooley would be ready for 2c. We also clear Nylander cap to improve the team now.
Future top 6
Bunting Matthews Marner
Knies Cooley Nichushkin

Willie is worth more than the 1st overall for this year draft.

 

[Leafblooded]

Please, no. Trade Matthews. He will bring a kings ransom

 

[darrylsittler27]

In a cap free world no one would want Nylander traded. The real question is what is the offer ? Is it Tkachuk? We have to look at it. The Leafs have to beat the other teams and the flagrant NHL rigging to win a cup. We need a power forward, Knies to sign an upgrade at D and a Goalie who can win big games alone. Likely wont happen unless Dubas makes a splash and he must realize this is his last chance, he will go down swinging.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Why can’t he play a complete game? The points are excellent and no one is complaining about that. But he lacks a critical skill that you people ignore, and his lack of compete contributes to annual first round exits.

The question remains, why? Do you think he’s scared or just doesn’t care?

If he is anything like his father...he doesn't care enough. His dad was a mercenary for most of his travels in the NHL...never won anything and just got paid. I really don't think he gives a rats ass about anything really...which is fine I guess...but not what we need.

We need SOMEONE to be clutch...anyone...just 1 guy to score that desperately needed goal at a critical time in a game/series. AM is fine but not clutch...neither is Mitch or JT. That is the problem. We blame Willy but don't see the other amigos are no better when the chips are down.

 

[Racer88]

yes I would trade him or anyone on the team if we could get the right players in their spots.
nobody is untouchable including Matthews, Marner or Rielly

Next option is 16

I'd move both if I could get the right pieces for them, but no want Kyle making those trades.

this is so true

 

[Antropovsky]

If he is anything like his father...he doesn't care enough. His dad was a mercenary for most of his travels in the NHL...never won anything and just got paid. I really don't think he gives a rats ass about anything really...which is fine I guess...but not what we need.

We need SOMEONE to be clutch...anyone...just 1 guy to score that desperately needed goal at a critical time in a game/series. AM is fine but not clutch...neither is Mitch or JT. That is the problem. We blame Willy but don't see the other amigos are no better when the chips are down.

Was it game 6 against Montreal when Marner flipped the puck into the stands with no pressure creating the 5-3?

It was this game 6 when Marner in overtime attempted a hail Mary flip pass to Matthews and it was behind matthews (I believe Matthews fell putting the breaks on for the bad pass) Marner then got caught flat footed, reached and lost his stick resulting in the OT winner against.

Marner had been more anti clutch then clutch. Nylander.... is making 7 million and he's outproduced Marner for 3 straight years in the playoffs and I don't think he has made even 1 glaring mistakes that has directly led to a goal like Marner has.

At least Nylander has excellent core strength and is hard to knock off the puck. Marner is so easily knocked off the puck, believe it was game 2 or something when he took a light crosscheck from behind and fell like a ton of bricks... Tampa collected the puck and scored going the opposite direction.

I think both of them have their warts but again one makes 11 million while the other makes 7. Three years of two 11 million dollar players on the same like and Marner has 2 goals and 16 post season points in 19 games.....and in elimination games he has been the direct cause of at the very least two of the losses in the last two postseasons.

 

[hamzarocks]

If we are dealing with NJD, a trade to consider would be:

Nylander+Mrazek for Yegor Shergonovich + Damon Severson + Blackwood

1 very good high-end 1st liner for a younger LW/C mid-end 2nd liner, an offensive D who would allow us to move on from Muzzin and/or Sandin, and then a goalie who is young and has had a good start before some crap play recently which can be attributed partially due to the team he's one. Dump Mrazek to equal contracts.

7+3.8M =10.8M out

2M (Shergonovich is on this for 1 more year) + 4.167 (Severson for 1 more year) + Blackwood (3x2 lets say his next deal is) = 9.167M in for next year

Cap Savings = 1.633M (can go towards extending Engvall + Lilijgren (1M additional for engvall and 0.833k additional for Lily)

Trade 2: Add a Nylander(a bit better?) level, player

Muzzin + Knies + Sandin + 2022 1st for Kevin Fiala.

around 6.5M out and Fiala we offer 8Mx8 years. So take on an additional 1.5M in cap.

Would also put this offer on the table for Timo Meier and the offer less Sandin for Boeser.

 

[ULF_55]

Nylander isn't one of the entitled, so probably there are others that cause resentment in the room.

 

[Menzinger]

If we are dealing with NJD, a trade to consider would be:

Nylander+Mrazek for Yegor Shergonovich + Damon Severson + Blackwood

1 very good high-end 1st liner for a younger LW/C mid-end 2nd liner, an offensive D who would allow us to move on from Muzzin and/or Sandin, and then a goalie who is young and has had a good start before some crap play recently which can be attributed partially due to the team he's one. Dump Mrazek to equal contracts.

7+3.8M =10.8M out

2M (Shergonovich is on this for 1 more year) + 4.167 (Severson for 1 more year) + Blackwood (3x2 lets say his next deal is) = 9.167M in for next year

Cap Savings = 1.633M (can go towards extending Engvall + Lilijgren (1M additional for engvall and 0.833k additional for Lily)

Trade 2: Add a Nylander(a bit better?) level, player

Muzzin + Knies + Sandin + 2022 1st for Kevin Fiala.

around 6.5M out and Fiala we offer 8Mx8 years. So take on an additional 1.5M in cap.

Would also put this offer on the table for Timo Meier and the offer less Sandin for Boeser.

Way too much for Fiala

 

[Niagara Bill]

Having just watched young Rangers win game 1, and see how they know what hard work looks like, and what playing a system means, Nylander and Keefe should both be gone.
Willie because he only plays hard occasionally and Keefe because he has failed to get him from buying into a system.
But the golf game looks good.

 

[ACC1224]

If we are dealing with NJD, a trade to consider would be:

Nylander+Mrazek for Yegor Shergonovich + Damon Severson + Blackwood

1 very good high-end 1st liner for a younger LW/C mid-end 2nd liner, an offensive D who would allow us to move on from Muzzin and/or Sandin, and then a goalie who is young and has had a good start before some crap play recently which can be attributed partially due to the team he's one. Dump Mrazek to equal contracts.

7+3.8M =10.8M out

2M (Shergonovich is on this for 1 more year) + 4.167 (Severson for 1 more year) + Blackwood (3x2 lets say his next deal is) = 9.167M in for next year

Cap Savings = 1.633M (can go towards extending Engvall + Lilijgren (1M additional for engvall and 0.833k additional for Lily)

Trade 2: Add a Nylander(a bit better?) level, player

Muzzin + Knies + Sandin + 2022 1st for Kevin Fiala.

around 6.5M out and Fiala we offer 8Mx8 years. So take on an additional 1.5M in cap.

Would also put this offer on the table for Timo Meier and the offer less Sandin for Boeser.

Fiala would be an excellent target. Really good young player that I imagine flies under the radar in the east. Love for him to be a Leaf.

 

[LeafChief]

Depending on the return, the Leafs should consider trading anyone. I'd love to keep Nylander but if there is a trade that makes the team better, I'm all for it.

I think people get caught up in these threads with the idea that trading Nylander means the team will be worse. It all depends on what comes back.

I'd trade Matthews if it meant getting McDavid (obviously not happening).

 

[Not My Tempo]

Will we even be able to keep Nylander when his contract is up in two years? Both him and Matthews will want raises. Bunting needs a raise next year as well.

I don’t think you can just let a player of Willy’s calibre leave in FA.

 

[Fogelhund]

Depending on the return, the Leafs should consider trading anyone. I'd love to keep Nylander but if there is a trade that makes the team better, I'm all for it.

I think people get caught up in these threads with the idea that trading Nylander means the team will be worse. It all depends on what comes back.

I'd trade Matthews if it meant getting McDavid (obviously not happening).

This is correct. I'd trade anyone too, if it made the team better. The vast majority of deals here, don't do that. If you are getting something like the #2 OA back, and you know you could sign Forsberg as an example to replace him, you do it. If you are getting two nickels, for your quarter, no.

 

[Clyde Brewer]

In a cap free world no one would want Nylander traded. The real question is what is the offer ? Is it Tkachuk? We have to look at it. The Leafs have to beat the other teams and the flagrant NHL rigging to win a cup. We need a power forward, Knies to sign an upgrade at D and a Goalie who can win big games alone. Likely wont happen unless Dubas makes a splash and he must realize this is his last chance, he will go down swinging.

Which Tkachuk for Nylander?

I'm not sure which Tkachuk brother is more valuable, but I'd prefer Brady and I don't think Ottawa would trade Brady for Marner, forget Nylander.


If we could swing deals to get both brothers, while moving out Nylander and Marner, I would do that for sure and completely change the face of this team.

Anyway, I'd rather move on from Marner before Nylander. Marner has not proven to be worth the extra cap hit in the playoffs- and playoffs are all that matter.

 

[Mess]

Will we even be able to keep Nylander when his contract is up in two years? Both him and Matthews will want raises. Bunting needs a raise next year as well.

I don’t think you can just let a player of Willy’s calibre leave in FA.

With Nylander and Matthews contracts both ending together in 2024, it allows Leafs to use Nylander's cap space to re-sign Matthews to his next mega deal.

Leafs could apply $5-6 mil of that recuperated cap space to afford to keep Austin.

 

[ACC1224]

Which Tkachuk for Nylander?

I'm not sure which Tkachuk brother is more valuable, but I'd prefer Brady and I don't think Ottawa would trade Brady for Marner, forget Nylander.


If we could swing deals to get both brothers, while moving out Nylander and Marner, I would do that for sure and completely change the face of this team.

Anyway, I'd rather move on from Marner before Nylander. Marner has not proven to be worth the extra cap hit in the playoffs- and playoffs are all that matter.

I doubt either Tkachuk is available but if so it would take a Marner or Nylander plus to land one of them