Should we strongly consider Trading W. Nylander while his value is high?

[Not My Tempo]

With Nylander and Matthews contracts both ending together in 2024, it allows Leafs to use Nylander's cap space to re-sign Matthews to his next mega deal.

Leafs could apply $5-6 mil of that recuperated cap space to afford to keep Austin.

Oh for sure, I’m more just saying rather than letting Willy leave for nothing, either trade him this year or next year and get a cost controlled asset back with a bit more term left.

Not saying they would do it but trading Nylander for the 2nd OA or another high end prospect seems like a good way to go. Then use his cap space this year and next to sign a FA to help out the offense. Go high cap hit, low term.

Of course this is just me being a dumb armchair GM and I know in real life these moves seldom get made lol

 

[Menzinger]

Fiala would be an excellent target. Really good young player that I imagine flies under the radar in the east. Love for him to be a Leaf.

He's also a no show/underperformer in the playoffs.

 

[Menzinger]

Will we even be able to keep Nylander when his contract is up in two years? Both him and Matthews will want raises. Bunting needs a raise next year as well.

I don’t think you can just let a player of Willy’s calibre leave in FA.

The league is set for a potential substantial cap raise during that period just as Nylander and Matthews are set to hit free agency

Salary cap could go up in 2024-25, just in time for Maple Leafs and Canucks

The expected salary cap increase for the 2024-25 season could prove to be good timing for the Toronto Maple Leafs and the Vancouver Canucks.

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[Darth Menace]

The league is set for a potential substantial cap raise during that period just as Nylander and Matthews are set to hit free agency

Salary cap could go up in 2024-25, just in time for Maple Leafs and Canucks

The expected salary cap increase for the 2024-25 season could prove to be good timing for the Toronto Maple Leafs and the Vancouver Canucks.

www.sportsnet.ca

How is this beneficial to the Leafs? It just means the 3 can stretch the leafs for an extra 4-5 million combined.

 

[WillyC]

Nylander for next year’s starting goaltender… not sure who that will be, however, I just feel it’s going to happen this summer.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

How is this beneficial to the Leafs? It just means the 3 can stretch the leafs for an extra 4-5 million combined.

When AM and MM both asked for big contracts...the reasoning was that they had no built up any real earnings and this was a time to cash in. What are the excuses going to be for the 3rd deal when they say they are in their prime and need to get paid market value?

That was the issue I had with both contracts...it wasn't like paying them early would save you something later...they are going to pillage MLSE with Dubas at the helm and don't have any loyalty to a guy who stuck his neck out for them trying to be nice. Someone in another thread was bitching about Tkachuk's qualifying offer because it is over 10M...but they got him for 3yrs at 7.5M....is that not worth something to the team? We paid early and will pay late thanks to the kumbaya negotiations of Dubas.

Willy is the only guy who should be gunning for a big deal with a clear conscience.

 

[Menzinger]

How is this beneficial to the Leafs? It just means the 3 can stretch the leafs for an extra 4-5 million combined.

Any extra cap room will be beneficial to the team.

The wider point is we shouldn't be making contract predictions based on the amount of capspace the team has in 2022. It's not a static thing.

 

[ToneDog]

I was thinking what if we traded the 3 amigos and got 2/3 roster players like (McTavish, Drysdale, Mercer, Necas, Drury, Blackwood, Bastian, Woods) maybe we would be better off in the long run rather than being a first or second round loser. Then I though never gonna happen so if we are going to continue to patch, Willie will be the sacrificial lamb.

Nylander to NJ for Mercer, Blackwood and McLeod/Bastian

Nylander to Carolina for Necas and Drury/Jarvis + pick

 

[Trapper]

We need to move Nylander for a different kind of core player. Preferably a C that could move Tavares to the wing if needed and a 1st round pick.
Get 2 1st round picks this year.
We need some skilled young guns drafted that can jump in at low dollar (in a year or 2) with Matthews/Marner like the Rangers have with Kakko and Schneider.

I don’t want to increase Nylander’s salary next contract. 2 years to UFA is the time now. Losing 6 playoffs in a row is the time now for change.

 

[Clyde Brewer]

I doubt either Tkachuk is available but if so it would take a Marner or Nylander plus to land one of them

Do you think Ottawa would trade Brady Tkachuk for Marner? I don't think they would, which just goes to show how bad Marner's contract is.

 

[arso40]

We need to move Nylander for a different kind of core player. Preferably a C that could move Tavares to the wing if needed and a 1st round pick.
Get 2 1st round picks this year.
We need some skilled young guns drafted that can jump in at low dollar (in a year or 2) with Matthews/Marner like the Rangers have with Kakko and Schneider.

I don’t want to increase Nylander’s salary next contract. 2 years to UFA is the time now. Losing 6 playoffs in a row is the time now for change.

I’m really confused why nylanders getting singled out all he has done in the playoffs is out performed or at worst performed on par with the other 3 11 million dollar players the real issue is on defence and in goal I don’t see a nylander trade fixing our issue I would much rather a Rielly trade(even though I am a fan) he’s a 7.5 dollar defenceman that is weak in his own end we could get a haul for him and sign our young defencemen at team friendly Long term deals and watch them flourish both of whom are 2 way defencemen not just offensive defencemen. That would extend our window long after our captains money comes off the books once Riellys skating slows down he will be another anchor on defence essentially another muzzin contract all over again

 

[mapleleaf979]

Before u trade Nylander u have to trade Kerfoot, Muzzin and Tavares if possible.

 

[Rocky Flintstone]

Depends on what you can get for him. I am of the opinion that his value will still go up because he has not peaked yet. I certainly don't think there is any risk whatsoever that his value decreases any time soon, barring significant injury. Exhaust every single route to move Taveres before moving Willie. No easy task, but not impossible.

 

[Seras]

Teams highest points ever, took prolly the best team in hockey to 7 games and the majority think trading one of the best players they have is a good idea.

Interesting...

 

[bossram]

Trade their second most cap efficient forward during their competitive window because....reasons.

Lmao. No.

 

[mydnyte]

you only trade Nylander if you are getting a package deal like Hart & Konecny coming back OR Askarov & Fabbro OR a Chychrun & Vejmelka back (though we may need a minor add here/there) ...and only move for one of the defenders if we have a follow up move to make a spot avilable, either Holl or Muzzin as potential to be also included.
Basically, you need to solidify the goaltending and get either a stud D or F prospect/NHL ready player back.

 

[hamzarocks]

you only trade Nylander if you are getting a package deal like Hart & Konecny coming back OR Askarov & Fabbro OR a Chychrun & Vejmelka back (though we may need a minor add here/there) ...and only move for one of the defenders if we have a follow up move to make a spot avilable, either Holl or Muzzin as potential to be also included.
Basically, you need to solidify the goaltending and get either a stud D or F prospect/NHL ready player back.

Those all seem like pretty poor deals for the leafs

Hart's been horrific for like 3 years. Konency is a 50ish pt winger sure but he disappears in the playoffs

Askarov has seen his stock slide since being drafted and had a down year. Fabbro is he even better than lilijgren?

Chychuran is a nice piece but vejmelka is way to unknown and shouldn't be the major goalie coming back, plus isn't he a UFA?

I agree with your premise but think we need better players than these guys outside of Chychruan *who still requires an add to get Nylander back

 

[Trapper]

Both home town guys. Which moving Marner probably makes Matthews walk and you can't move Tavares.

As I’ve said, you have to start preparing for the 3rd phase of this team. That’s UFA for Matthews/Nylander in 2 years.

What will Matthews make on his next deal? 12/13?
This team needs to shed an 11 million contract and will probably have to wait for extended success until they do. That’s Tavares in 3 years because Marner will be UFA. Choose 2 to take up the bulk and retool the rest.

Matthews…Marner
Deal for a player that will be your 2nd line C of the future. Like a Kadri/Horvat/Pageau/Cirelli type player.

Rielly…Deal for a player that will be a permanent partner or solid Anchor on D for the future.

Deal for a goalie that will be a part of the future phase 3.

Nylander/Muzzin as prime pieces to set up the things you need for the above. Muzzin has wear and tear and I don’t want to deal with UFA Nylander. RFA Nylander wasn’t fun and it could get worse. Move now. If you can score some picks and draft players as well that can work their way into good roles on the team so much the better. If you can start giving Sandin and Lily some time now even if the regular season point totals drop, do it. Prepare them now.

If you can win while Tavares is here great, if you can pass a round or 2 and gain experience great. But once that JT deal is done, you can construct an entire line for that 11 million. Things we are missing since Kadri/Briwn/Kap/JVR/Johnsson all were moved. Better quality support.

That’s what needs to be done IMO.
If people like to reference Yzerman/Ovi not winning the Cup for 10 + years, there you go. Prepare now. Only 2 guys making the big dollars up front. Balance and retool.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

One of Willy and/or Mitch needs to go for a 1D and/or a 1G .. maybe both .. can't continue with half CAP in 4 forwards .. come playoffs teams that win need D and G .. Tampa perfect example they have Vasi as 1G and Hedman McD Sergey and Cernak as 4D .. that is formula for winning Cups .. maybe you don't get da regular season points because you lose some scoring but scoring dries up in playoffs

 

[mydnyte]

Those all seem like pretty poor deals for the leafs

Hart's been horrific for like 3 years. Konency is a 50ish pt winger sure but he disappears in the playoffs

Askarov has seen his stock slide since being drafted and had a down year. Fabbro is he even better than lilijgren?

Chychuran is a nice piece but vejmelka is way to unknown and shouldn't be the major goalie coming back, plus isn't he a UFA?

I agree with your premise but think we need better players than these guys outside of Chychruan *who still requires an add to get Nylander back

and here i was expecting to get torn for 'robbing' teams in the deals
In the defense of Hart, and for those saying they want Gibson, Philly really played bad in front of him and he had comparable numbers to Gibson, and he's only 23 ...the year before he did suck pretty hard though, but, he's well before his prime, and could be much better.
He's easily Demko level, and I'd argue better, as Demko was still in the AHL at the same age Hart's been his teams #1.

Konency is similar to Bunting, though maybe a better scorer, and more physical, and we really need that for line 2, rather than line 4

Askarov still has Vasy potential, and Fabbro is young and cheap and wold at worse be a middle pair guy.

Vej is a huge risk, but, he's looked pretty good on a really bad team .898 as a rookie on one of the worst teams in the NHL is pretty good considering he played in 52 games too.

 

[mydnyte]

One of Willy and/or Mitch needs to go for a 1D and/or a 1G .. maybe both .. can't continue with half CAP in 4 forwards .. come playoffs teams that win need D and G .. Tampa perfect example they have Vasi as 1G and Hedman McD Sergey and Cernak as 4D .. that is formula for winning Cups .. maybe you don't get da regular season points because you lose some scoring but scoring dries up in playoffs

you are forgetting they also have Stamkos, Kutch, and Point.
they got more high draft picks than we did and were lucky enough to get Hedman ...Leafs could have had him, but Burkie didnt want to give up Luke freaking Schenn (and a 1st) to get him.
it would have been a good a trade then, and an insanely good one looking back now.
and we had our 'Vasy' in Rask, but, our idiot GM dealt him to our biggest rival, so, cant use we dont draft good goalies either, we just didnt keep him.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

you are forgetting they also have Stamkos, Kutch, and Point.
they got more high draft picks than we did and were lucky enough to get Hedman ...Leafs could have had him, but Burkie didnt want to give up Luke freaking Schenn (and a 1st) to get him.
it would have been a good a trade then, and an insanely good one looking back now.
and we had our 'Vasy' in Rask, but, our idiot GM dealt him to our biggest rival, so, cant use we dont draft good goalies either, we just didnt keep him.

Yes they have those forwards but they don't need them all really .. last year Stammer did not play .. this year Point did not play .. I think Kuch they need because he has da whole package a true 5 tool hockey player (and we really only have 4 in entire league 3 of which you will see in da final) .. I think they would be in trouble without Kuch upfront

 

[mydnyte]

Yes they have those forwards but they don't need them all really .. last year Stammer did not play .. this year Point did not play .. I think Kuch they need because he has da whole package a true 5 tool hockey player (and we really only have 4 in entire league 3 of which you will see in da final) .. I think they would be in trouble without Kuch upfront

to win the cup they need them all ...Vasy will not be enough vs Colorado on his own, though, if he gets hot he can be.
thats the main diff between a franchise goalie and a typical #1

 

[JT AM da real deal]

to win the cup they need them all ...Vasy will not be enough vs Colorado on his own, though, if he gets hot he can be.
thats the main diff between a franchise goalie and a typical #1

You could put virtually every forward group in entire nhl with Vasi Hedman McD Sergey and Cernak and play Coop's system and you are odds on fav for Cup .. you really only need 1 top tool guy upfront who can make plays and score on PP .. and reality is they have proven it out with injuries' past 3 years .. bottom line top flight G and D win Cups

 

[Golden_Jet]

you are forgetting they also have Stamkos, Kutch, and Point.
they got more high draft picks than we did and were lucky enough to get Hedman ...

Kucherov was pick 58 and Point was 79th, they are just one of those good drafting teams.