Should Toronto trade away our 1st to ditch Murray?

[Ianturnedbull]

No.

Insert Michael Scott video

No.


No...

 

[ITM]

I wouldn’t be against doing something like the mrazek deal if it were to pop up

Trade the 20ish pick back to the 40-50 range whilst dumping murray

I can't help but think of Dermott and Bracco and what a profound indulgence it is not to simply pick the BPA at the earliest spot available.

I say we keep the pick, use it in the late twenties, and figure something out with Murray.

Edited to say: Like...Go get us some Otto Stenberg at 28/29, Leafs GM (Potentially Kyle Dubas); Keep the pick!

 

[RunItBackAgain]

I said move down 20 spots from Boston's 1st to Tampa's 2nd. I would make that trade to get rid of Murray so we can keep all 3 of O'Reilly, Schenn and Bunting or a Bunting equivalent. Now you might not like Bunting, and we could debate that, but having a 27 year old, 50 point LW guy or an equivalent cap hit player is worth much more then keeping 3 goalies, when Murray isn't good. Moving down 20 spots to keep a 50 point player is worth it.

Exactly this. If Murray is on the roster for a single day next season it's like losing ROR. We simply cannot afford to offer ROR a contract if Murray is still on the books. It won't work

 

[Blaylock38]

Nope. He will be in the final year of his deal. So he could come motivated looking for an extension or echo this year and be on IR which gives the Leafs' cap space. There is always a chance he can moved to a team needing to hit the cap floor. I think we will have options, not sure how great but I think he is movable.

 

[Leafsfan74]

Unless there is a specific targetted player that requires immediate Cap space, no.

He only has one year left,.correct? Maybe he can find good health for a season. At worst, he rides it out in the minors, at best, he reclams his old form and wins the Masterson Award.

Either.way, wthout particular target, the First for one year of relief for a player who still could be useful, isn't worth it.

 

[Aashir]

I can't help but think of Dermott and Bracco and what a profound indulgence it is not to simply pick the BPA at the earliest spot available.

I say we keep the pick, use it in the late twenties, and figure something out with Murray.

Edited to say: Like...Go get us some Otto Stenberg at 28/29, Leafs GM (Potentially Kyle Dubas); Keep the pick!

Fair enough, we could use a nice prospect

I guess it depends, if we see someone who we like then yea it could make sense, but if it’s likely that dubas has some under the radar pick who can be had at around pick 35-40 I also wouldn’t be opposed to seeing if Murray can be dealt using that

 

[stats1]

1. No.

2. We won’t have to give up a 1st to move him, and worst case you buy him out. There is no need to just throw away a 1st rounder just yo get rid of 1 year at 4+million

 

[Puckstuff]

Exactly this. If Murray is on the roster for a single day next season it's like losing ROR. We simply cannot afford to offer ROR a contract if Murray is still on the books. It won't work

I think they will find a way to keep O'Reilly no matter what as long as he wants to stay, even with Murray on the team. Given how important he is, they will do whatever it takes to keep him.

But if you keep Murray for the first game of the season and he's not LTIR'd by game 1, your 100 % losing one of Bunting or Samsonov and there's no way around it.

Assuming they let Kerfoot and Holl walk, these are the scenario's:

1. They LTIR both Murray and Muzzin for the entire season or trade them prior to game 1, and we can keep all 4 of O'Reilly, Bunting, Schenn, Acciari quite comfortably, even ZAR as well. But given how Murray sporadically always comes in and out of the lineup, he would have to be traded.

2. If we trade or LTIR only one of Muzzin/Murray on day one of the regular season, we can still keep O'Reilly, Schenn, Acciari and one of Samsonov and Bunting. But we 100 % lose one of Samsonov/Bunting just by having one of Murray/Muzzin on the roster on game 1.

3. And if both Murray and Muzzin are on the roster on game 1 and neither are LTIR'd on game one, we could keep O'Reilly and maybe one Schenn or Acciari and ZAR but lose everyone else so we would lose both Samsonov and Bunting and probably 1 of Acciari or Schenn.

But the obvious thing to do here is just not have Murray on the roster on day 1 so we don't lose one of Bunting/Samsonov.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

I think they will find a way to keep O'Reilly no matter what as long as he wants to stay, even with Murray on the team. Given how important he is, they will do whatever it takes to keep him.

But if you keep Murray for the first game of the season and he's not LTIR'd by game 1, your 100 % losing one of Bunting or Samsonov and there's no way around it.

Assuming they let Kerfoot and Holl walk, these are the scenario's:

1. They LTIR both Murray and Muzzin for the entire season or trade them prior to game 1, and we can keep all 4 of O'Reilly, Bunting, Schenn, Acciari quite comfortably, even ZAR as well. But given how Murray sporadically always comes in and out of the lineup, he would have to be traded.

2. If we trade or LTIR only one of Muzzin/Murray on day one of the regular season, we can still keep O'Reilly, Schenn, Acciari and one of Samsonov and Bunting. But we 100 % lose one of Samsonov/Bunting just by having one of Murray/Muzzin on the roster on game 1.

3. And if both Murray and Muzzin are on the roster on game 1 and neither are LTIR'd on game one, we could keep O'Reilly and maybe one Schenn or Acciari and ZAR but lose everyone else so we would lose both Samsonov and Bunting and probably 1 of Acciari or Schenn.

But the obvious thing to do here is just not have Murray on the roster on day 1 so we don't lose one of Bunting/Samsonov.

True. I was simplifying it but yup. He is not worth it even if we have to straight up give the 1st rounder. It's worth it. Which it won't cost.

 

[Puckstuff]

But based on today, I think they will keep Samsonov and O'Reilly no matter what unless Sammy falls apart. So all scenarios come down to Murray or Bunting or better cap hit option then Bunting.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

no more throwing away 1st rounders to get rid of someone. Use him on LTIR for all I care, send him to Robidas Island that was created by Lou.

We already don't have much assets; no need to dump him.

You can't just LTIR someone because you don't want them on your roster. If he is fit to play, he can't go on LTIR

 

[justashadowof]

His buyout is super cheap as buyouts go.

 

[Machinae]

It will probably be cheaper to move him with 1 year left than the 3rd ottawa paid to move 2 years.

Do you see how thin the goalie market is? Half the NHL wants to find a starter. Someone will give Murray another chance to be healthy when the cost is free

 

[Jojalu]

no more throwing away 1st rounders to get rid of someone. Use him on LTIR for all I care, send him to Robidas Island that was created by Lou.

We already don't have much assets; no need to dump him.

Leafs have all of their top prospects and a first in the next two years.

They are missing some seconds and thirds but what else?

 

[Menzinger]

lYou can't just LTIR someone because you don't want them on your roster. If he is fit to play, he can't go on LTIR

Though with someone with an injury history as long as his, if the player was open to it it likely isn't too difficult to fail a medical. If the Leafs buy him out hed lose about 2 mil in real dollars - while I don't think the front office would try an orchestrate an outright ploy to keep him on LTIR via fake means, he has personal incentives to avoid a buyout.

Personally I think he's traded with maybe the leafs retaining a small amount (like 10ish %) to help facilitate a trade

 

[The Iceman]

What...no voting option to Tanner Jeannot; Murray?

Give up
a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, plus a 1st round prospect.

 

[Leaf Fans]

No, we should only trade a 4th.

 

[Kiwi]

Though with someone with an injury history as long as his, if the player was open to it it likely isn't too difficult to fail a medical. If the Leafs buy him out her lose about 2 mil in real dollars - while I don't think the front office would try an orchestrate an outright ploy to keep him on LTIR via fake means, he has personal incentives to avoid a buyout.

Personally I think he's traded with maybe the leafs retaining a small amount (like 10ish %) to help facilitate a trade

I think it's going to depend on how much "real" money he is going to get next season

I could see a team taking him for bugger all if he's going to cost a million or two in real dollars, at 4 or 5 million it gets a bit more difficult I'd imagine

 

[Gary Nylund]

I think they will find a way to keep O'Reilly no matter what as long as he wants to stay, even with Murray on the team. Given how important he is, they will do whatever it takes to keep him.

But if you keep Murray for the first game of the season and he's not LTIR'd by game 1, your 100 % losing one of Bunting or Samsonov and there's no way around it.

Assuming they let Kerfoot and Holl walk, these are the scenario's:

1. They LTIR both Murray and Muzzin for the entire season or trade them prior to game 1, and we can keep all 4 of O'Reilly, Bunting, Schenn, Acciari quite comfortably, even ZAR as well. But given how Murray sporadically always comes in and out of the lineup, he would have to be traded.

2. If we trade or LTIR only one of Muzzin/Murray on day one of the regular season, we can still keep O'Reilly, Schenn, Acciari and one of Samsonov and Bunting. But we 100 % lose one of Samsonov/Bunting just by having one of Murray/Muzzin on the roster on game 1.

3. And if both Murray and Muzzin are on the roster on game 1 and neither are LTIR'd on game one, we could keep O'Reilly and maybe one Schenn or Acciari and ZAR but lose everyone else so we would lose both Samsonov and Bunting and probably 1 of Acciari or Schenn.

But the obvious thing to do here is just not have Murray on the roster on day 1 so we don't lose one of Bunting/Samsonov.

I'm not even the least bit worried about losing Bunting. He's a UFA so likely he'll be overpaid anyway, plus he's far from being an important piece of the team.

 

[TheScandal89]

His buyout is super cheap as buyouts go.

The 687k for next season is, but the 2 Million cap hit in 23/24 is, we need every penny we can get if we can resign Matthews and Nylander.

Once Tavares' contract is done and hopefully he starts to take the "Bergeron" contracts, we'll be ok but thats 2 more seasons away.

 

[Maple Leaf]

I'd rather put him in net than trade a first

 

[Kiwi]

I'd rather put him in net than trade a first

Woll needs waivers and Samsonov has become our starter

I'm not losing either one of them for that bandaid

He's got to go

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Woll needs waivers and Samsonov has become our starter

I'm not losing either one of them for that bandaid

He's got to go

Like someone said earlier, waive him if you have to. If no one claims him, he's your number 3.

He'd still be a serviceable back up to someone. Craig Anderson retired. He could go to Buffalo and split duties with Levi for a year for example.

 

[Kiwi]

Like someone said earlier, waive him if you have to. If no one claims him, he's your number 3.

He'd still be a serviceable back up to someone. Craig Anderson retired. He could go to Buffalo and split duties with Levi for a year for example.

I think somebody will take him, it's just a question of the cheapest way of doing it

I'd prefer not to waive him because that's a lot of cap he's still eating, same goes for buying him out

If he isn't owed a ton of money I think we can get rid of him cheap, 4 or 5M might be harder to move though

 

[leafsfan5]

We're in the middle of the most important playoff run this team has had in decades, how are people thinking about the offseason lol