Rumor: Should the CBJ pursue Elias Pettersson?

[Napoli]

This is a rare opportunity. Pettersson is an incredible talent that would do wonders here. Evason would maximize him and he'd be back to 80+ points seasons, I'm fairly confident in that.

Zero interest in Miller.


Some of the suggestions here are funny, there's no way Vancouver is taking Sillinger as the main piece along with some picks.

The ask is going to be Fantilli plus and if you're getting Pettersson, you don't "need" Fantilli. I like mayor's suggestion of giving them Severson, it'd be fairer.

That said I'd much rather go in the direction of Lindstrom+ but I doubt Vancouver goes that direction.

Chinakhov, Sillinger and 1st I think is a steal for us, as much as I dont want to lose Chinny. Once again I doubt it as Chinny isn't healthy.

My thought is, you should probably not make this trade unless it's heavily in your favor, i.e. no Marchy, Voronkov, KJ, Fantilli, Chinny.

If its for other pieces, Id consider it. This is a trade that Jarmo would be all over and that's something that scares me. This team could really use someone like Dobson a whole lot more.

 

[thebus88]

i still think a sillinger + provorov package with a good tertiary piece (chinakhov)

I’m trying to handle all these posts essentially disregarding and downplaying Chinakhov and treating him like some “throw in” in these trades, but, I can’t handle it anymore.

Chinakhov is on a completely different level than Sillinger as a player, and has much more trade value than both him and Provorov.

How about we keep ALL of Chinakhov, Marchenko, Voronkov, Johnson, and Fantilli…

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

The ask is going to be Fantilli plus and if you're getting Pettersson, you don't "need" Fantilli. I like mayor's suggestion of giving them Severson, it'd be fairer.

I'd rather keep Fantilli and let him grow here. It's a marathon to build a winner. Not a sprint.

 

[LazyCircuits]

I’m bouncing between we must acquire him and we need to stay well away.

In terms of assets I would give up a combination of any three of the following:

our first this year or next year unprotected
Sillinger
Provorov
Lindstrom
Harris

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Don’t know what to make of the situation at this point. Pettersson’s drop in production since signing his contract is troubling. I guess from a “fit” standpoint I’d just have to trust HCDE and GMDW.

As far as what I’d send? Again that’s difficult. I acknowledge I might be a bit over attached to some of our young players while simultaneously acknowledging we need upgrades to the team.

For example Sillinger seems to be a “foregone conclusion” but I still see him as a valuable piece, despite the recent play of DBB. The rest of that group I’m loathe to even consider, including Chinakov.

 

[alphafox]

Don’t know what to make of the situation at this point. Pettersson’s drop in production since signing his contract is troubling. I guess from a “fit” standpoint I’d just have to trust HCDE and GMDW.

As far as what I’d send? Again that’s difficult. I acknowledge I might be a bit over attached to some of our young players while simultaneously acknowledging we need upgrades to the team.

For example Sillinger seems to be a “foregone conclusion” but I still see him as a valuable piece, despite the recent play of DBB. The rest of that group I’m loathe to even consider, including Chinakov.

When I am looking at what to trade on this team It's mostly what I think their place/value would be if our cup window opens in another couple of years. My basic assumption at this point is that Sillinger gets replaced almost no matter what as LDBB and Lindstrom are both Centers coming for his spot and at least one if not both look to pass him on the depth chart in the next three years. Likewise, Proverov+Severson and a few other D as Svozil, Elick, Marrelli look to have pretty clear lines on mid pair duties if their development continues. On the wing I see Brindley as a top 6 lock starting next year and Kirill Dolzhenkov as someone that could be the next russian phenom meaning someone like Chinakov and Jenner are at least replaceable if not outright upgrades.

If you forward project our team there are a lot of clear roster players who likely don't have a place due to internal development and cap questions. If we can turn those guys into a piece that makes us more competitive earlier and might even give extra time to develop and shelter a Lindstom or a Brindley I think it makes a ton of sense as those will be assets I don't see on the team long term no mater what.

Also, on the contract, by the mid point of that contract it could very well look like a reasonable deal, as the cap goes up. Marner and Rantanen are going to get 14+ Million playing with some of the best in the world and EP40 was right in the mix with them for the last two years playing with significantly worse linemate. Even if he only ever gets back to 2023-2024 form he could be one of the best contracts in the league and will probably be a pretty standard "top line" contract in three years.

 

[Napoli]

I’m bouncing between we must acquire him and we need to stay well away.

In terms of assets I would give up a combination of any three of the following:

our first this year or next year unprotected
Sillinger
Provorov
Lindstrom
Harris

Anything along these lines is a steal for a player of Pettersson's caliber. I am doubtful they ever move him.

Don’t know what to make of the situation at this point. Pettersson’s drop in production since signing his contract is troubling. I guess from a “fit” standpoint I’d just have to trust HCDE and GMDW.

The whole "production" drop is overblown imo. Production relies on a lot of factors and his stats aren't even bad, he's great analytically and this can only improve being inputted into a great system like Evason's.

This team can really use another line to help the secondary scoring, both now and in the future. Pettersson would also be easiest the most talented center we have ever had, I really think Miller is the one that's going to get traded, Pettersson isn't a player you find easily.

 

[alphafox]

I’m bouncing between we must acquire him and we need to stay well away.

In terms of assets I would give up a combination of any three of the following:

our first this year or next year unprotected
Sillinger
Provorov
Lindstrom
Harris

This is a strange ranking of assets. Our Unprotected 1st and Lindstrom are literal lottery tickets that could be franchise altering and defining. Outside of the Injury (Which legitimately is huge although based off the latest news its sounds positive) Lindstrom wouldn't even be in the conversation. I could see breaking them down as categories and select one from each.

A
Lindstrom
Sillinger

B
Proverov
1st
Harris

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

This is a strange ranking of assets. Our Unprotected 1st and Lindstrom are literal lottery tickets that could be franchise altering and defining. Outside of the Injury (Which legitimately is huge although based off the latest news its sounds positive) Lindstrom wouldn't even be in the conversation. I could see breaking them down as categories and select one from each.

A
Lindstrom
Sillinger

B
Proverov
1st
Harris

I could be willing to go Lindstrom and next year's first because it doesn't really dilute our current player pool. i think them being interested in Harris is kind of laughable and zero chance they'd want Provorov without a long term deal. I'm not sure he'd be interested in playing there long term.

But let's be real, Jack Eichel was trade for essentially 3 1st round picks and a 2nd rounder when it comes down to it. Vegas gave up Krebs and Tuch in addition to future 1st and 2nd.

I'm not interested in paying that price for anyone unless they become a real difference maker and we aren't hurting that bad on offense right now.

 

[alphafox]

I could be willing to go Lindstrom and next year's first because it doesn't really dilute our current player pool. i think them being interested in Harris is kind of laughable and zero chance they'd want Provorov without a long term deal. I'm not sure he'd be interested in playing there long term.

But let's be real, Jack Eichel was trade for essentially 3 1st round picks and a 2nd rounder when it comes down to it. Vegas gave up Krebs and Tuch in addition to future 1st and 2nd.

I'm not interested in paying that price for anyone unless they become a real difference maker and we aren't hurting that bad on offense right now.

I would be more willing to give MN and our 1st than Lindstrom. The potential there is greater than almost anything we could get in the draft this year. If the model for the deal is Eichel I would be more than willing to do Sillinger+ Severson (Proverov retained if necessary)+ Our 1st +MN 1st. That is a direct upgrade to our roster now and in the future and makes us a significantly more difficult team to shut down offensively, which I think will be important as we get closer to and maybe even into the playoff. Monahan and the Russians will get targeted aggressively and will see there numbers come down to earth as they see more top quality goal tending. Forcing Teams to also deal with Ep-40 and KJ and then Fantilli and Chinakov would be a nightmare on defense and should help our ability to simply keep a hold of the puck.

I would love to make some sort of trade for a top goalie or a Top Pair D but unfortunately they aren't in the conversation. This is the one option (currently) that could allow us to keep our current and future roster progress almost unchanged.

 

[majormajor]

I would be more willing to give MN and our 1st than Lindstrom. The potential there is greater than almost anything we could get in the draft this year.

The potential there is far greater than almost anything we could get in the draft this year.

 

[Crow]

I'm guessing they'll ask for 1 of Johnson or Fantilli and perhaps even more for Petterson. So I would pass. I'll gamble both Johnson and Fantilli will end up being just as good as Patterson.

Wow I must have dropped the ball on Johnson. Not familiar at all. He’s going to be as good as Peterson?

 

[cslebn]

I'd rather trade for someone built to be a playoff warrior that can drag the team into the fight when the going gets tough.

I don't think EP40 is that guy. I see him as a better more talented Laine for this team than a push the team over the top. It's like Marner, Matthews, Riley, and nylander in Toronto.... all the skill in the world but not much for it in the playoffs when the going gets tough.

Guys like Bergeron that didn't have a many points but fought like starving dogs when it matters is what we need.

It's a they don't love to win... they don't hate to lose thing.

We need the don't hate to lose. The physical and mental toughness to pay the price when the game gets heavy and hard. And I just don't see that with EP40. Rantanen as mentioned earlier fits better (and is a UFA). Maybe Brady Tkachuk or Marchand or pasta become available though I doubt that.

 

[cslebn]

Wow I must have dropped the ball on Johnson. Not familiar at all. He’s going to be as good as Peterson?

He's having a breakout year to the point that, for our forwards, he is the individual other teams are game planning around the most.

When teams were letting him carry the puck through the neutral zone into the offensive zone he was producing at like 1.5 ppg. They changed how they play him because of his individual success (vs the line success of Marchenko, Voronkov and Monahan).

He's basically turning into the most impactful forward we've had since Panarin

 

[majormajor]

He's having a breakout year to the point that, for our forwards, he is the individual other teams are game planning around the most.

When teams were letting him carry the puck through the neutral zone into the offensive zone he was producing at like 1.5 ppg. They changed how they play him because of his individual success (vs the line success of Marchenko, Voronkov and Monahan).

He's basically turning into the most impactful forward we've had since Panarin

What's the evidence of teams playing him differently?

It seems to me that he just doesn't have as much jump as he did when he was fresh earlier in the season.

 

[cslebn]

What's the evidence of teams playing him differently?

It seems to me that he just doesn't have as much jump as he did when he was fresh earlier in the season.

There have been articles discussing teams not giving him space in the neutral zone.

Blue Jackets’ Kent Johnson now has the NHL’s attention, forcing him to adjust

It doesn't take many multi-point games before the rest of the league takes notice, and Johnson is learning to adapt.

www.nytimes.com

 

[punk_o_holic]

What's the evidence of teams playing him differently?

It seems to me that he just doesn't have as much jump as he did when he was fresh earlier in the season.

I'm guessing I'm not allowed to post full articles so took some quotes.

“Teams are trying to not let me skate the puck through the neutral zone as much,” Johnson told The Athletic late last week. “If there are a couple of forwards back (forechecking), there’s usually a guy who’s pretty tight on me. That’s the biggest difference.”

Now Johnson needs other players to serve as pressure release valves so the Blue Jackets can gain the zone with possession.

“It’s nothing crazy, but teams are trying to limit my touches and limit me skating the puck up (the ice),” Johnson said. “If I’m getting pressure, it helps other guys get open, hopefully. But, yeah, it’s less touches for me.”

 

[punk_o_holic]

Wow I must have dropped the ball on Johnson. Not familiar at all. He’s going to be as good as Peterson?

Not saying he will but I'm willing to hang onto him and take that chance and be just as impactful(speaking of offense only. Perhaps 80+point player. No idea how good Petterson is on defensive side).