Player Discussion Sheldon Keefe - All encompassing galaxy brain discussion
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BraveCanadian
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Stephen
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It's not that he's dumb, it's that he's egotistical enough to rebuild his own version of an old boys club with his own guys. I'm cheering for it.
Stephen
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Slow rolling change is not a bad idea when you come into a situation. Throwing out the baby with the bathwater when you come in all huffing and puffing in a mandate to change is usually going to result in some mistakes.
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I'm sure the handshake they give him will be very respectful.
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I feel pretty bad about what transpired over these last 6-7 seasons. It really sucks that 1 playoff series win is all to show for this. Even Matthews 69 goal milestone feels a little more like Rick Vaive than Sundin/Gilmour.
A retool is what has to happen. I feel confident that things can turn around, but there will be more pain ahead. Not impossible to try and pivot (VAN did it), but things will get worse before then...
A retool is what has to happen. I feel confident that things can turn around, but there will be more pain ahead. Not impossible to try and pivot (VAN did it), but things will get worse before then...
Keefe is the new Pens coach. Honestly, I think Keefe will be a better coach on a veteran team than a young team in terms of maturity level not actually years in the league.
Ianturnedbull
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Toronto is a veteran team.
I'd say the most damning argument against Keefe is how poorly our power play has performed in the playoffs, relative to the regular season. Special teams, in the playoffs especially, are very much about strategy, studying what your opponent does and coming up with the right counters. Our playoff PP just seems so stale and predictable, opponents seem to know exactly what we're going to do and cut it off with ease.
Keefe took over in 2019/20. Here's PP% by team, for teams that have played 20+ playoff games over those years (2019/20 to present): NHL Stats We are dead last (among 18 teams)! Even if you reduce the filter to 15 games played, we're 3rd last of 22 teams: NHL Stats That's totally nuts, especially since over the same time period we're 3rd best in the league in regular season PP%: NHL Stats We literally go from an elite PP to an absolutely terrible PP once the playoffs start, that definitely looks like a coach who can't make the right adjustments.
It's certainly not all on Keefe, the star players are also not performing, I think the pressure gets to them and they start overthinking things, vs. playing more loose/creative/instinctual. But special teams are very strategic, one of the areas where coaching should have the most influence, and whatever Keefe (and his staff) have been doing, it hasn't been working.
Keefe took over in 2019/20. Here's PP% by team, for teams that have played 20+ playoff games over those years (2019/20 to present): NHL Stats We are dead last (among 18 teams)! Even if you reduce the filter to 15 games played, we're 3rd last of 22 teams: NHL Stats That's totally nuts, especially since over the same time period we're 3rd best in the league in regular season PP%: NHL Stats We literally go from an elite PP to an absolutely terrible PP once the playoffs start, that definitely looks like a coach who can't make the right adjustments.
It's certainly not all on Keefe, the star players are also not performing, I think the pressure gets to them and they start overthinking things, vs. playing more loose/creative/instinctual. But special teams are very strategic, one of the areas where coaching should have the most influence, and whatever Keefe (and his staff) have been doing, it hasn't been working.
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Stephen
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It's insane we've spent so many years with Sheldon Keefe at the helm. In an era when coaches are hired to be fired and there's no cap on what you can spend at that position, we got an AHL level home grown with no charisma, leadership or clue to button mash random line combos and tout a plodding possession game with messed up risk/reward sliders.
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We're not a young team, just not brought up right so it's an immature mess.
HamiltonNHL
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A bit early, but has a nice ring to it.
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The entire Dubas debacle will be remembered for decades. Shanny just won't eat his crow. LOL
He tried to rehire him ffs. Shanny got punked by the dude that f***ed him over. Oof
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More pain ahead? If its the rebuilding kind of pain I can do that standing on my head. Its this fruitless losing in the playoffs that causes me more pain.
What pain can be worse then now?
Would missing the playoffs really be bad? As our playoffs are first round.
Then they are a dumbass organization wouldn't the goal be to make more money by winning a cup.
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Of course the goal is to make money by trying to win a cup every year, silly to think otherwise.
People confuse incompetence with indifference.
DarkKnight
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You blame the players but honestly I just can't get over Keefe yesterday, this guy is a not a motivator, he has no clue to build a proper culture, he's bereft of any answers. Listening to him again yesterday, I'm convinced he's a boat anchor on this franchise, he can't respond correctly to adversity, he just shrugs and gives off massive LOSER vibes. That presser was incredible, defeated and he's the guy!
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
I hope they throw Leafs nation a bone and make his firing quick.
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
They just paid Nylander $92 million dollars and seeing this core lay eggs in the playoffs for the last 6 years. Yeah it took the Caps and Wings a decade to win a cup but they did not go from winning a playoff round in 9 attempts to winning a cup and their cores were not comprised of selfish p***yes.
The man who lost to Keefe and then lost to the Panthers in the same amount of games as Keefe?
Also, assuming everyone thinks that Tampa is built for the playoffs since they have some guys who step up in the playoffs.
It's weird to want this guy as the new coach.
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