Player Discussion Sheldon Keefe - All encompassing galaxy brain discussion

[The Masters]

I hope they throw Leafs nation a bone and make his firing quick.

I hope they are already tampering behind scenes for COOPER and Rod
long shot for both but man what a home run hire they would be

 

[ToneDog]

I hope they are already tampering behind scenes for COOPER and Rod
long shot for both but man what a home run hire they would be

If they can't get one of them, they should be putting pressure on Gary to bring back coach Q. My next choice would be Berube. Not sure about Gallant, Woodcroft and Evason.

 

[notbias]

I hope they are already tampering behind scenes for COOPER and Rod
long shot for both but man what a home run hire they would be

Fine with either, but what has Rod done? Not sure he's won a single game in the 3rd round.

Carolina can't get over the hump with him, why do you think the Leafs would?

 

[The Masters]

Fine with either, but what has Rod done? Not sure he's won a single game in the 3rd round.

Carolina can't get over the hump with him, why do you think the Leafs would?

He's a total culture setter. That's what this team desperately needs more than anything IMO.

just love his character .. been through it all and has won it. been successful coaching last few years now , and a 2nd opportunity would hope to bring even more success after what he learned in Carolina. I think hes staying though

 

[notbias]

He's a total culture setter. That's what this team desperately needs more than anything IMO.

just love his character .. been through it all and has won it. been successful coaching last few years now , and a 2nd opportunity would hope to bring even more success after what he learned in Carolina. I think hes staying though

What is successful coaching?

Like I said, I don't think most people look at Carolina as a success.

 

[Suntouchable13]

What is successful coaching?

Like I said, I don't think most people look at Carolina as a success.

So the Leafs are total failure then? They are consistently a top team, deep playoff runs. They don’t have the top end talent the Leafs do, or the budget.

 

[horner]

Can you honestly say they are a smart organization?

No

 

[The Masters]

What is successful coaching?

Like I said, I don't think most people look at Carolina as a success.

Look at his coaching record. You can't just measure by cups. The guy has only been coaching for 5 years lol.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Look at his coaching record. You can't just measure by cups. The guy has only been coaching for 5 years lol.

I believe, without looking, they are consistently better than the Leafs in the regular season and playoffs. They don’t have the top end talent we do. Carolina is a great model.

 

[Warden of the North]

So is Darryl Sutter our coach by the draft?

 

[ACC1224]

So is Darryl Sutter our coach by the draft?

God no, why would you think that?

 

[notbias]

So the Leafs are total failure then? They are consistently a top team, deep playoff runs. They don’t have the top end talent the Leafs do, or the budget.

They have a better GM according to most, so that should give Rod a better team to work with.

Unless Dubas was a good GM and Keefe just sucks.

Or do we just have playoff chokers and it isn't Keefe's fault now?

Can't keep up with whose fault it is.

Look at his coaching record. You can't just measure by cups. The guy has only been coaching for 5 years lol.

They come up short every year.

 

[The Masters]

They come up short every year.

That doesn't mean he's not successful. 2 conference finals runs in 5 years is very good. Look up what Jon Cooper did in his first 5 years to compare.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Bitch ass coach, bitch ass team. Catapult him into the next province during locker clean out day

He’ll likely be catapulted across Lake Erie to join his buddy.

 

[Stephen]

So is Darryl Sutter our coach by the draft?

I think Sutter was a Murray Edwards special.

 

[Egghead1999]

I think Sutter was a Murray Edwards special.

Sutter is fine. The issue is that the Leafs have none of "Sutter's players" right now.
The Leafs need a coach who has cupS and a lockroom setter (this is a must if MM is still here next season); So, Rod is out. My choice: Q or Sullivan or Roy or cooper

 

[TheTotalPackage]

Lose tonight, and I hope he is fired tomorrow. For all the talk he came with, he's been completely underwhelming, and that's an understatement.

 

[Tak7]

Lose tonight, and I hope he is fired tomorrow. For all the talk he came with, he's been completely underwhelming, and that's an understatement.

I would generally agree, but if Pelley has indeed told everyone that he's taking his time to evaluate everything, then I wouldn't be surprised if this summer is a bit of a slow-burn.

If there's any doubt as to what Shanahan's future holds, then I don't think Treliving will get approval to make that move.

There's also the matter of Keefe's new extension kicking in. All signs point to the organization being furious at the lack of success - will they stomach the appetite for wanting to pay another coach not to play for them, so soon after they finally got out of the Babcock deal?

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

I would generally agree, but if Pelley has indeed told everyone that he's taking his time to evaluate everything, then I wouldn't be surprised if this summer is a bit of a slow-burn.

If there's any doubt as to what Shanahan's future holds, then I don't think Treliving will get approval to make that move.

There's also the matter of Keefe's new extension kicking in. All signs point to the organization being furious at the lack of success - will they stomach the appetite for wanting to pay another coach not to play for them, so soon after they finally got out of the Babcock deal?

why not? its not like MLSE is hard pressed for money. also, when we fire Keefe, there is a very good chance someone picks him up (my guess: Pittsburgh or Seattle).

we wouldn't have to worry about paying him next year. he has a very good regular season track record, so a very low chance he's unemployed.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

I would generally agree, but if Pelley has indeed told everyone that he's taking his time to evaluate everything, then I wouldn't be surprised if this summer is a bit of a slow-burn.

If there's any doubt as to what Shanahan's future holds, then I don't think Treliving will get approval to make that move.

There's also the matter of Keefe's new extension kicking in. All signs point to the organization being furious at the lack of success - will they stomach the appetite for wanting to pay another coach not to play for them, so soon after they finally got out of the Babcock deal?

I agree. Pelley definitely is a wild card in this all. And if he wants to "put his stamp" on this team by completely overhauling it after the many years of lack of success, then I'm all for it.

The only thing I don't agree with is the Keefe extension. I believe that is of no consequence. It doesn't count against the cap, and the team could easily swallow that money up. It really is no different than when Wilson signed his golden parachute extension, only to be canned shortly thereafter.

 

[Tak7]

I agree. Pelley definitely is a wild card in this all. And if he wants to "put his stamp" on this team by completely overhauling it after the many years of lack of success, then I'm all for it.

The only thing I don't agree with is the Keefe extension. I believe that is of no consequence. It doesn't count against the cap, and the team could easily swallow that money up. It really is no different than when Wilson signed his golden parachute extension, only to be canned shortly thereafter.

It's not a question of whether they can, but whether they want to.

Mirtle has repeatedly discussed just how unhappy the upper execs are at the lack of Leafs success, and has pointed to the sheer amount of money they've thrown at the project with 0 results. It almost sounds to me like the TeleComms, together, are deciding that they no longer want to be moneybags MLSE when it coems to the Leafs, until some actual tangible results are shown.

why not? its not like MLSE is hard pressed for money. also, when we fire Keefe, there is a very good chance someone picks him up (my guess: Pittsburgh or Seattle).

Answered above. Just speculation.

 

[1specter]

Good lord, this man has aged horribly. This market really does a number on folks, Burke looked like he aged 30 years by the time he was done.

 

[nuck]

I would generally agree, but if Pelley has indeed told everyone that he's taking his time to evaluate everything, then I wouldn't be surprised if this summer is a bit of a slow-burn.

If there's any doubt as to what Shanahan's future holds, then I don't think Treliving will get approval to make that move.

There's also the matter of Keefe's new extension kicking in. All signs point to the organization being furious at the lack of success - will they stomach the appetite for wanting to pay another coach not to play for them, so soon after they finally got out of the Babcock deal?

I think they make upwards of $3M per home playoff date so any improvement at all pays the tab. Just getting to the second round pays Shanny as well.

 

[djdev]

dont let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.

 

[ACC1224]

I think they make upwards of $3M per home playoff date so any improvement at all pays the tab. Just getting to the second round pays Shanny as well.

I would bet it's a far greater number than that.