Player Discussion Sheldon Keefe - All encompassing galaxy brain discussion

[TheTotalPackage]

It's not a question of whether they can, but whether they want to.

Mirtle has repeatedly discussed just how unhappy the upper execs are at the lack of Leafs success, and has pointed to the sheer amount of money they've thrown at the project with 0 results. It almost sounds to me like the TeleComms, together, are deciding that they no longer want to be moneybags MLSE when it coems to the Leafs, until some actual tangible results are shown.


Answered above. Just speculation.

If this is indeed true, and ownership is unwilling to eat a couple million for a coaching change, that is definitely not a good sign for this franchise moving forward.

 

[kevsh]

Mirtle has repeatedly discussed just how unhappy the upper execs are at the lack of Leafs success, and has pointed to the sheer amount of money they've thrown at the project with 0 results.

But I don't believe this part for a second considering they just approved an extension for Nylander that gave him everything he could possibly ask for and then some. And last Summer they were all for giving Dubas extension, obviously okay with Keefe's extension and Shanahan still has a job.

If they truly were fed up with the losing they could have told Treliving to hold off on the Nylander extension (for one) until the season is over. If the team went on a good run, then fine, back up the Brink's truck. If not, then maybe he walks July 1.

But for an organization allegedly "sick" of spending without results saving $11.5M a year for the next 8 years would be welcomed and put towards bringing in players who can deliver.

I do hope, however, that bringing in Pelley changes their approach to a "win or be held accountable" mindset. And that applies to everyone, even star players.

 

[ACC1224]

Cooper has been pining for this job for a couple seasons now. Hopefully he has some type of out clause in his contract.
MLSE would love nothing better than to bring in the leagues top Coach no matter the cost.

This fan base is going to need some appeasing, that would be a huge start.

 

[egd27]

Does Cooper have any connections to Pelley? Or Tre?

I heard he likes mediocre pizza, so that's something.

 

[egd27]

I hope they throw Leafs nation a bone and make his firing quick.

Too late already IMO

 

[Tak7]

Cooper has been pining for this job for a couple seasons now. Hopefully he has some type of out clause in his contract.
MLSE would love nothing better than to bring in the leagues top Coach no matter the cost.

This fan base is going to need some appeasing, that would be a huge start.

I'd also be very closely following the situation in Carolina as well - Rod the Bod still doesn't have a contract, and the added benefit of going after a really good coach like that, is that you can probably bring his entire staff along with him, which is something he values massively.

 

[ACC1224]

I'd also be very closely following the situation in Carolina as well - Rod the Bod still doesn't have a contract, and the added benefit of going after a really good coach like that, is that you can probably bring his entire staff along with him, which is something he values massively.

He would be a solid second choice for me.

 

[Rare Jewel]

The man who lost to Keefe and then lost to the Panthers in the same amount of games as Keefe?

Also, assuming everyone thinks that Tampa is built for the playoffs since they have some guys who step up in the playoffs.

It's weird to want this guy as the new coach.

Really, you want to play this game?

 

[The Masters]

Good lord, this man has aged horribly. This market really does a number on folks, Burke looked like he aged 30 years by the time he was done.

bro this guy gained 60 pounds easy
stress is a b*tch

 

[jaric1862]

Copper, Sullivan, Rod, Berube - how do you rank these guys in terms of replacements for Keefe.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

Copper, Sullivan, Rod, Berube - how do you rank these guys in terms of replacements for Keefe.

Cooper/Rod


Berube










Sullivan

 

[thewave]

Copper, Sullivan, Rod, Berube - how do you rank these guys in terms of replacements for Keefe.

All are better than Keefe. Cooper may be the best along with Rod but Berube is no slouch

I may go with Rod but could be convinced easily to go with Cooper just as well.

 

[killer1980]

One thing for certain, Pelley is not afraid to spend OPM. He made that terrible deal for Rogers getting the hockey rights. Paying off contracts should not be an issue. Not sure of his desire to fire people though. Think he is a decent guy personally but, I wouldn't know.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

 

[The Masters]

One thing for certain, Pelley is not afraid to spend OPM. He made that terrible deal for Rogers getting the hockey rights. Paying off contracts should not be an issue. Not sure of his desire to fire people though. Think he is a decent guy personally but, I wouldn't know.

watch him on bob mccowan. loves shanny
the only way shanny gets booted is if the board has had enough and they lay the hammer not pelley

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Treliving really should've fired Keefe. Not to absolve the core but he's clearly the biggest issue with this team. It was especially obvious after the Florida series loss. Frankly Shanahan should've done it himself without deferring to Treliving, or hell maybe Shanahan was against the firing and wanted to keep him in which case Brendan's meddling is just as pervasive as ever. Laviolette was the best option out there but if him being an American wouldn't want to come here Gerard Gallant would've been a much better option. I get that the man hasn't won the whole thing and seems to have an extremely short shelf life but he has at the very least gone deep in the playoffs and has managed to win legitimate division titles. A far sight better than Keefe who's greatest accomplishments include winning a fake division and fluking out a first round win on the backs of his stars.

 

[The Masters]

Treliving really should've fired Keefe. Not to absolve the core but he's clearly the biggest issue with this team. It was especially obvious after the Florida series loss. Frankly Shanahan should've done it himself without deferring to Treliving, or hell maybe Shanahan was against the firing and wanted to keep him in which case Brendan's meddling is just as pervasive as ever. Laviolette was the best option out there but if him being an American wouldn't want to come here Gerard Gallant would've been a much better option. I get that the man hasn't won the whole thing and seems to have an extremely short shelf life but he has at the very least gone deep in the playoffs and has managed to win legitimate division titles. A far sight better than Keefe who's greatest accomplishments include winning a fake division and fluking out a first round win on the backs of his stars.

Tre bought himself time I think. He can now use his bullet on keefe. This was Tre's "evaluation" year. Finding a new coach this off-season (hopefully cooper or rod) and re-shaping this team are on his to do list. Maybe he was always going to target Cooper? He couldn't have done that if he hired someone new last year.

The surgery on this team will take at LEAST 2 off-seasons IMO. Also, 2025 goalie UFA's look incredible.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

Copper, Sullivan, Rod, Berube - how do you rank these guys in terms of replacements for Keefe.

Cooper
Rod
Berube
Sullivan

ECHL coaches

Keefe

I think a good coach in Toronto has to be a good strategist, motivator, experienced, and can manage the circus around the team. It's not for everyone.

For me Cooper is the best to handle this city. He's also the best coach among them. I think this would be like hitting the jackpot when it comes to coaching but Rod is also an excellent option who has all of the necessary qualities to get the job done.

Berube and Sullivan are a tier below as they make a few coaching mistakes from time to time. But both are proven winners making them ten times better than Keefe.

 

[1specter]

Cooper has been pining for this job for a couple seasons now. Hopefully he has some type of out clause in his contract.

It makes sense that he would be interested, but this is intriguing for you to say. Do tell us more...

 

[notbias]

Can anyone tell me how we were even capable of one series win when we had the worst GM, worst coach, and most overpaid playoff chokers?

It makes no sense to me how they've managed to win a game, let alone a series.

Cooper
Rod
Berube
Sullivan

ECHL coaches

Keefe

I think a good coach in Toronto has to be a good strategist, motivator, experienced, and can manage the circus around the team. It's not for everyone.

For me Cooper is the best to handle this city. He's also the best coach among them. I think this would be like hitting the jackpot when it comes to coaching but Rod is also an excellent option who has all of the necessary qualities to get the job done.

Berube and Sullivan are a tier below as they make a few coaching mistakes from time to time. But both are proven winners making them ten times better than Keefe.

I don't believe half this board knows anything about the systems our current coach runs, and now people are studying other team's coaches? This is interesting.

What mistakes do those two make? I'd be curious, in detail, to hear.

 

[1specter]

watch him on bob mccowan. loves shanny
the only way shanny gets booted is if the board has had enough and they lay the hammer not pelley

Disappointing if true, Shanahan has a huge hand in this mess, if not the biggest.

 

[The Masters]

Disappointing if true, Shanahan has a huge hand in this mess, if not the biggest.

10000%

 

[Eternal Leaf]

I don't believe half this board knows anything about the systems our current coach runs, and now people are studying other team's coaches? This is interesting.

What mistakes do those two make? I'd be curious, in detail, to hear.

Never said I studied them nor am I some hockey genius.

I am just using feedback from the fans of those teams over the years.

Berube got fired for not adapting and designing a system that didn't work for his team. They went 0-10 because of that during the regular season. Sullivan was criticized for overutilizing inferior players. At one point he managed to overuse two 4th lines as the bottom six and started giving them heavier minutes causing him to not adapt.

Having said all of this, they are still well-regarded and good coaches. I also feel the rosters given to them were weaker than what Toronto has right now, which heightened their struggles. Keefe has been given a lot more to work with over the years and completely botched it.

 

[notbias]

Never said I studied them nor am I some hockey genius.

I am just using feedback from the fans of those teams over the years.

Berube got fired for not adapting and designing a system that didn't work for his team. They went 0-10 because of that during the regular season. Sullivan was criticized for overutilizing inferior players. At one point he managed to overuse two 4th lines as the bottom six and started giving them heavier minutes causing him to not adapt.

Having said all of this, they are still well-regarded and good coaches. I also feel the rosters given to them were weaker than what Toronto has right now, which heightened their struggles. Keefe has been given a lot more to work with over the years and completely botched it.

I don't think Berube is well-regarded, Binnington dragged him to a cup, and he's been bad outside of that.

Are our players studs or duds? Has he been given a lot to work with?

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Treliving really should've fired Keefe. Not to absolve the core but he's clearly the biggest issue with this team. It was especially obvious after the Florida series loss. Frankly Shanahan should've done it himself without deferring to Treliving, or hell maybe Shanahan was against the firing and wanted to keep him in which case Brendan's meddling is just as pervasive as ever. Laviolette was the best option out there but if him being an American wouldn't want to come here Gerard Gallant would've been a much better option. I get that the man hasn't won the whole thing and seems to have an extremely short shelf life but he has at the very least gone deep in the playoffs and has managed to win legitimate division titles. A far sight better than Keefe who's greatest accomplishments include winning a fake division and fluking out a first round win on the backs of his stars.

I don't mind Treliving didn't fire Keefe. We can't have a dinosaur gm in today game. Not firing keefe show that Treliving isn't stubborn and isnt stuck in his own ways. A dinosaur gm would hand pick a coach no matter what. He gave Keefe a fair shot