Rumor: Shattenkirk for Krejci?

[bleedblue1223]

Yep and ,and what i heard is Shattenkirk had presented Army,with a small list of 3 or 4 team he would reign with .I think Boston is on this list

That's not what was reported and it doesn't make sense either. Shattenkirk does not have a NTC or NMC, so it doesn't really matter where he will or won't sign. He has limited leverage.

 

[topshelf15]

Krejci is a #1 center... its not a real cheap proposal to begin with.

Yep he has shown he could be one in the past ,but he also comes with a big cap hit and some serious injury concerns .Any deal Stlouis will be looking at will be with a team that he will resign with .They arent going to lessen his trade value .Army knows which teams they are ,iam pretty sure Boston who has been frequently mentioned as a landing spot is on this very specific list .But there are others as well ,so it wont be Boston forcing anything at STlouis ,it will be the other way around

 

[bleedblue1223]

You're not going to convince me that Jones is worth more than Spooner (or equal).

I think the true value is between Spooner and 1 st and Spooner and a 2nd.

And you are not going to convince me of the below. Shattenkirk extended is worth much more than Spooner and a 1st.

 

[topshelf15]

That's not what was reported and it doesn't make sense either. Shattenkirk does not have a NTC or NMC, so it doesn't really matter where he will or won't sign. He has limited leverage.

Yes it was and it does .Army isnt going to trade Shatt as an upcoming UFA ,he is looking to gain max value.And that comes with him willing to resign with the team he ultimately ends up on .It is also a benifit to shatty in terms of negotiating a deal that he would be willing to sign ,on a team he was interested in playing with to begin with

 

[bleedblue1223]

Yes it was and it does .Army isnt going to trade Shatt as an upcoming UFA ,he is looking to gain max value.And that comes with him willing to resign with the team he ultimately ends up on .It is also a benifit to shatty in terms of negotiating a deal that he would be willing to sign ,on a team he was interested in playing with to begin with

Not it wasn't, I've been following this. If you think differently provide that info.

It doesn't matter because at the end of the day, Shattenkirk for just 1 year still brings back a good return. We can also keep him for a playoff run. We aren't forced to trade him with an extension if it is not in the best interest of the team.

He'll get more with an extension, but it wasn't like Army asked him about 29 teams, he was presented with the teams that we were talking to. That makes the statement completely different.

 

[BruinDust]

Jones was then flipped for a 1st+throw-in prospect. I don't think Spooner would fetch much more than that right now.

Lets call the 1sts a wash if your comparing the Lucic return.

Is Spooner worth a 2014-15 version of Martin Jones and Colin Miller? I'd say pretty close.

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

And you are not going to convince me of the below. Shattenkirk extended is worth much more than Spooner and a 1st.

Couldnt disagree more, but thats how it goes I guess.

I do like the Krejci for Shatty signed deal though, sign me up.

 

[topshelf15]

]Not it wasn't, I've been following this.[/B] If you think differently provide that info.

It doesn't matter because at the end of the day, Shattenkirk for just 1 year still brings back a good return. We can also keep him for a playoff run. We aren't forced to trade him with an extension if it is not in the best interest of the team.

I dont remeMber exactly where i heard it. Likely Sirrus ,on the power play with Laughin.But i tell you i heard it ,there is a list of teams Shattenkirk has given Army that he would likely be willing to resign a deal with if traded to one these specific teams.Two in the east ,two in the west .Was the exact wording .How do you not think this doesnt make sense.Army isnt going to move a top 4 RHD at a lessened value come on man

 

[bleedblue1223]

Lets call the 1sts a wash if your comparing the Lucic return.

Is Spooner worth a 2014-15 version of Martin Jones and Colin Miller? I'd say pretty close.

I don't think Spooner gets a 1st+Miller today.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I dont remeMber exactly where i heard it. Likely Sirrus ,on the power play with Laughin.But i tell you i heard it ,there is a list of teams Shattenkirk has given Army that he would likely be willing to resign a deal with if traded to one these specific teams.Two in the east ,two in the west .Was the exact wording .How do you not think this doesnt make sense.Army isnt going to move a top 4 RHD at a lessened value come on man

It depends on how you look at it. Did Army go to Shattenkirk and say which of these 6 teams that I am talking with, would you extend with? Did Army ask of all 29 team, who would you extend with? Or did Shattenkirk go to Army? Each scenario frames that situation completely different.

If Army asked about just those few teams, then that news doesn't have much of an impact.

If Army asked about all of those teams, and that news came out, he painted himself into a corner. That would be dumb.

If Shattenkirk approached Army, it's a much more toxic situation because it basically means the player wants out. This is not what the story has been.

 

[BruinsFanMike82]

That's not what was reported and it doesn't make sense either. Shattenkirk does not have a NTC or NMC, so it doesn't really matter where he will or won't sign. He has limited leverage.

Here you go, Andy Strickland from June 27:

Shattenkirk gave the Blues a list of four teams he’d sign an extension with, which kind of handcuffs Doug Armstrong a bit…because teams are not going to give up the asking price when you consider Kevin Shattenkirk has one year left on his contract and might not resign with you. They’re not going to give Shattenkirk away.

http://insidestl.com/andy-strickland-talks-elliott-trade-blues-draft-shattenkirk-number-of-st-louis-natives-drafted/1964908

 

[bleedblue1223]

Here you go, Andy Strickland from June 27:



http://insidestl.com/andy-strickland-talks-elliott-trade-blues-draft-shattenkirk-number-of-st-louis-natives-drafted/1964908

Yes, I know. Strickland just regurgitates any information that he is provided. He said that Tarasenko would in fact stay in the KHL.

Strickland provided 0 context of how the situation went down. We don't know who actually approached who. All we know is Shattenkirk told Army about some teams. We also know that Army was close to a deal with Hall how Shattenkirk wouldn't sign with. It's all kind of meaningless.

 

[BruinsFanMike82]

It was being discussed whether Shattenkirk "[had] already given a list of 4 teams he would resign with." I provided the source to where the info came from. You can take what you want from the report. But, the info was reported.

 

[topshelf15]

It depends on how you look at it. Did Army go to Shattenkirk and say which of these 6 teams that I am talking with, would you extend with? Did Army ask of all 29 team, who would you extend with? Or did Shattenkirk go to Army? Each scenario frames that situation completely different.

If Army asked about just those few teams, then that news doesn't have much of an impact.

If Army asked about all of those teams, and that news came out, he painted himself into a corner. That would be dumb.

If Shattenkirk approached Army, it's a much more toxic situation because it basically means the player wants out. This is not what the story has been.

Like i have said i only believe Boston is on this list.I dont know exactly that they are in fact on this list ,as who exactly is on the list wasnt revealed.It was two from the east and two from the west ,that the exact wording was .But there was a 4 team list of teams that Shatty would resign with ,hense the premise that Army would be working from this list

 

[2 Minute Minor]

Yes, I know. Strickland just regurgitates any information that he is provided. He said that Tarasenko would in fact stay in the KHL.

Strickland provided 0 context of how the situation went down. We don't know who actually approached who. All we know is Shattenkirk told Army about some teams. We also know that Army was close to a deal with Hall how Shattenkirk wouldn't sign with. It's all kind of meaningless.

There were quotes from Shattenkirk's agent around that time as well. I had the impression they all knew he was on the block, and the Edmonton deal never materialized due to him not agreeing to re-sign there. So, maybe it was to be helpful but I think Shattenkirk's camp submitted a list of teams they'd re-sign with.

I don't know if Armstrong asked for it, or if the list was restricted by potential suitors.

 

[topshelf15]

There were quotes from Shattenkirk's agent around that time as well. I had the impression they all knew he was on the block, and the Edmonton deal never materialized due to him not agreeing to re-sign there. So, maybe it was to be helpful but I think Shattenkirk's camp submitted a list of teams they'd re-sign with.

I don't know if Armstrong asked for it, or if the list was restricted by potential suitors.

It does make sense for both player and team .Army gets to gain a better value by shopping him as a signed player ,Shatty gets to go to one of the teams he would be most interested in playing for long term

 

[Sensinitis]

You have to give to get.

While a "three headed monster" down the middle would be great, our defense is the weakest link. Losing Krejci hurts, but if we improve our defense, it's still not a position of weakness.

You're right, except Shattenkirk, imo, is not a player of Krejci's caliber. Even given that Krejci might not be as good as he used to be. Shattenkirk is not very reliable in the playoffs and in this trade for him you would lose a guy who is. I know the Bruins are rebuilding (sort of), but I just would not like this trade from their pov. Maybe Im just not a Shattenkirk fan.

 

[Chojin]

I still can't imagine Krejci would waive his NMC, unless Boston fans know something I don't.

 

[topshelf15]

You're right, except Shattenkirk, imo, is not a player of Krejci's caliber. Even given that Krejci might not be as good as he used to be. Shattenkirk is not very reliable in the playoffs and in this trade for him you would lose a guy who is. I know the Bruins are rebuilding (sort of), but I just would not like this trade from their pov. Maybe Im just not a Shattenkirk fan.

The porblem for Boston as of right now is their defense ,their forwards even without Krejci are fine .The defense with him is ....well

 

[Duck Off]

Forgot to add: Buccigross isn't a great source, but he is credible.

Buccigross is a tool.

But I'd like to see this trade happen.

Buccigross is full of himself, and I find him a bit annoying. However, he promotes hockey more than anyone on ESPN, and I enjoy his OT challenges so I don't hate the guy. As far as his connections, he's not going to break many stories, but he most certainly has sources. He broke the Carlyle signing to Anaheim this summer.

As for the deal itself. It's obvious this only happens if Shattenkirk is okay with signing an extension in Boston. They aren't going to deal Krejci for one year of him.

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

Holy crap go get a juicebox from your mom and take a nap. You're going completely OT with people who don't even care about your opinion. This isn't about "who gets to talk about Chiarelli and who doesn't" it's the fact that you're just trying to stir up controversy no one even cares about.

Its really unbelievable. He needs a binky and a good nap.

 

[SteenMachine]

You're right, except Shattenkirk, imo, is not a player of Krejci's caliber. Even given that Krejci might not be as good as he used to be. Shattenkirk is not very reliable in the playoffs and in this trade for him you would lose a guy who is. I know the Bruins are rebuilding (sort of), but I just would not like this trade from their pov. Maybe Im just not a Shattenkirk fan.

Shattenkirk has been great in the playoffs, he looked bad this year for 8 games or so. People have just been sticking to that as the one and only player he can ever be from now until retirement. His production in previous runs was over the top, he kept the Blues anemic offense at least salvageable, if Boston can utilize him there's no reason he can't give them a dangerous powerplay and strong puck possession. He's not an elite shutdown defender though, too bad Boston only has Backes and Bergeron to play in front of him in the meantime

 

[armani]

Krejci for Shattenkirk is an easy win for St. Louis. As a Sens fan I wholeheartedly approve this trade.

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

Krejci for Shattenkirk is an easy win for St. Louis. As a Sens fan I wholeheartedly approve this trade.

When you already have a #1 center and have two more centers that still give you great center depth its a no brainer, especially with the D in Boston right now.

 

[BruinDust]

I don't think Spooner gets a 1st+Miller today.

In that case with all due respect your undervaluing Spooner.

The likely-hood of a mid-1st rounder putting up the numbers Spooner has since his recall in Feb. 2015 is pretty small.

If I'm Boston, the best I would do is Spooner + lottery protected 1st in 2017 (becomes 2018 1st if the 2017 1st is a lottery pick) + McQuaid (who I'd be dealing away anyways if Shattenkirk was brought in). McQuaid could be subtracted if St.Louis didn't want his salary coming back.

If Spooner is worth at least a mid-range 1st, and Boston is including another 1st, two 1st rounders for Shattenkirk is more than fair value. We're not talking a Norris trophy level guy here. He's a solid D-man and would help Boston, but he's not a guy whose going to completely transform Boston's back-end either.