Confirmed with Link: Sharks trade 20th pick to Sabres for 27th and D Michael Kesselring (RFA)

[Zarzh]

We don't know if that's true at all. One of those guys could easily drop another 7 picks

I would say it's more likely that Hemming, Belchetz, or Lawrence is at 20. Maybe Pugachyov falls for being Russian but other than that it's pretty clear that Grier moved down a tier.

 

[LilLeeroy]

Don’t think the value is great for a RFA that wasn’t really a part of their future, but I’d assume 20 was going to be another Ravensburger/Wang pick where they just want to get their guy even if the value isn’t very good. So the pick at 20 could have been the same player it will be at 27.

 

[sampler]

Spence is a career 17ish minute guy and you want to bump him up to 22 minutes a night? That's a recipe for stagnating or getting worse next season.

he was playing those minutes over the last two months of the season. Look at the last three seasons: His ice time went from 14 mins to 16 mins to over 18 mins (and over 21 mins the last two months).

He's only 25 and he was trapped behind Sanderson and Chabot (and Zub) just as kesselring was trapped behind the big 4 in Buffalo. He's just about to enter his prime. You are right that he is not an established clear top pair guy. If he was, we wouldn't be having this discussion as the price would be in the Fox/Hronek/Werenski tier, not a late 1st or maybe less.

The Sharks are still in the rebuild. Grier has made that known. As such, Grier wants guys in their mid 20's with big untapped upside. Spence fits that mold perfectly. I could easily see him taking off into a different tier if given PP time and more minutes playing with Celebrini and Co up front.

Spence is not a star yet. But his underlying numbers imply that he can be with the right opportunity.

 

[67 others]

If Wang doesn't ever work out and we miss out on the Dick/Wang pairing, we now have a Dick/Ring pairing LOL

 

[mogambomoroo]

I'm not a big fan of Spence, but for Hronek I would give up serious assets.
The best way would be to get a free Trouba, but I'm not sure Anaheim will give him up.

 

[67 others]

I'm not a big fan of Spence, but for Hronek I would give up serious assets.
The best way would be to get a free Trouba, but I'm not sure Anaheim will give him up.

Unlikely now that Carlsson declared he wants to move back East.

 

[Hodge]

he was playing those minutes over the last two months of the season. Look at the last three seasons: His ice time went from 14 mins to 16 mins to over 18 mins (and over 21 mins the last two months).

He's only 25 and he was trapped behind Sanderson and Chabot (and Zub) just as kesselring was trapped behind the big 4 in Buffalo. He's just about to enter his prime. You are right that he is not an established clear top pair guy. If he was, we wouldn't be having this discussion as the price would be in the Fox/Hronek/Werenski tier, not a late 1st or maybe less.

The Sharks are still in the rebuild. Grier has made that known. As such, Grier wants guys in their mid 20's with big untapped upside. Spence fits that mold perfectly. I could easily see him taking off into a different tier if given PP time and more minutes playing with Celebrini and Co up front.

Spence is not a star yet. But his underlying numbers imply that he can be with the right opportunity.

Spence is 25 not 21. He is what he is at this point which is a smurf third pair offenseman who can maybe play up a pair in case of injuries but isn't very good at anything and has zero special teams utility.

There's a reason he got traded for a 3rd round pick less than a year ago. Trading a 1st for him would be really dumb.

 

[Star Platinum]

Somehow some people can still complain about getting a NHL-level top 4 potential RHD for moving down 7 spots in a deep draft.

I always love when somebody frames a discussion in the most positive light and disregards any downside risk such as the fact that this guy A) wasn't a second pairing defenseman most of last year and B) only played 34 games because he was injured most of that year and then hardly iced once he came back because they had moved on to other guys.

I hope it works out, but it's far from a given that it does.

 

[SjMilhouse]

found this on Reddit, he's kinda more offensive defenseman according to this which is why i said not same as Miller but still like the trade. If he goes back to UT level he'd be our best RD offenseman potentially. Thought his D was better than this chart in UT tbh. Its why i also said Nemec is less likely now if previous data is indicative and depends on cost obvi. And his size should still be useful on D net. Also love that he wants to come to SJ per Demers Daddy.

I think you want to bring back Desh for his PK but that's easier to find.

All this while playing a bulk of his minutes with Ian Cole who fell on the "I'm complaining about this guy a lot" side of the player eval spectrum. Cole was brutal that season.

 

[SjMilhouse]

I always love when somebody frames a discussion in the most positive light and disregards any downside risk such as the fact that this guy A) wasn't a second pairing defenseman most of last year and B) only played 34 games because he was injured most of that year and then hardly iced once he came back because they had moved on to other guys.

I hope it works out, but it's far from a given that it does.

I mean...it's far more likely he is more serviceable than anyone we acquire at 20. My guess is everyone will play the "WE COULD HAVE HAD SO AND SO" game when it comes down to draft day while conveniently ignoring we have no idea who the team would have even drafted in that spot.

 

[The Nemesis]

If Wang doesn't ever work out and we miss out on the Dick/Wang pairing, we now have a Dick/Ring pairing LOL

Dick Wang sounds like the star of a 50s series of short noir film serials.

 

[Grave]

If we could just add someone like Marcus Pettersson now, I think we’d be set for the year.

It is pretty funny seeing people act like trading for Kesselring has any effect whatsoever on who we’re taking at #2.

 

[Hodge]

I always love when somebody frames a discussion in the most positive light and disregards any downside risk such as the fact that this guy A) wasn't a second pairing defenseman most of last year and B) only played 34 games because he was injured most of that year and then hardly iced once he came back because they had moved on to other guys.

I hope it works out, but it's far from a given that it does.

Kesselring was the centerpiece of the Peterka trade less than a year ago. If not for such a disastrous injury plagued season he would have cost the 20th straight up plus other assets assuming the Sabres would have even moved him. This is a worthwhile risk for the negligible price paid even if there's a solid chance it doesn't work out.

 

[Hodge]

I'm kind of surprised Buffalo didn't include Jordan Greenway as a cap dump.

Or has the salary cap picture changed so drastically that Greenway actually has positive trade value now?

 

[67 others]

Dick Wang sounds like the star of a 50s series of short noir film serials.

I'm picturing the newspaper articles.

Back when Brad Boyes played with Cory Pecker for the Otters, I saw some unbelievable headlines. "Boyes, Pecker win it in OT"

I'll never forget when blackberry was going under. We had an article in the coast in halifax that simply said "halifax to lose 350 RIM jobs"

The writers and editor see the chance and pretend it's an oopsy, but they mean to do it lol

Dick/Ring probably will never be a headline because the writer taking that Abbreviation would never convince the bosses that it was an accident lol

 

[Bizz]

But, realistically, grier has said he's gunna be patient, which implies more low risk, high reward type moves for mid 20's players. This Kesselring move is exactly that.

Something tells me he's probably gonna go the proven vet/stopgap/cheap acquisition but still plenty good route for our 1D (Hamilton) this offseason, which means he'd be leaning on picking Reid with our #2 pick, then try to lure Werenski with big money when he hits UFA and Reid is ready for a full time 1D role 2 years from now.

Imagine a top 4 in 2028 that looks like:

Werenski - Reid
Dickinson - Kesselring

 

[ChompChomp]

Question of curiosity, not because I actually want to do this. Sharks have to make the qualifying offer to Kesselring. If another team signs him to an offer sheet, do the Sharks receive draft compensation if they don't match?

Regarding the actual trade, I'm not super excited, but maybe he'll grow on me as Desharnais has. He does provide actual size on the blueline at least. Feel like the price should maybe be a little lower given that he was injured off and on the entire last season.

Also a good case study on why you should be very reluctant to trade future 2nd/3rd round picks as not having them prevents you from just making an offer sheet on guys like this. I'd rather spend more money on the AAV of the contract to make it a poison pill match for an owning team than give up draft position in the first round if I had an either/or choice here.

Yes the Sharks would get offer sheet comp in that scenario.

 

[SJSharksfan39]

into thousand suns. i want Pavs back out of all the vets we lost.

maybe one day he's back as a coach.

Speaking of Pavelski, I'm glad he is not coaching Toronto. That was a weird rumor a couple weeks ago.

 

[ChompChomp]

Speaking of Pavelski, I'm glad he is not coaching Toronto. That was a weird rumor a couple weeks ago.

Only thing is, maybe he's going to get an AC gig there.

 

[SJSharksfan39]

Only thing is, maybe he's going to get an AC gig there.

I hope not. I would like to see him back with the Sharks organization. If not the Sharks, than maybe Dallas.

 

[matt trick]

Damnit, ive spent the night getting customers drunk in central London, and now in need to spend an hour reading 5 pages of you clown’s thoughts on this deal. I was supposed to spend this time eating shitty noodles on the top floor of my double decker bus. For what’s it worth, I saw Kesselring and 1st and wasn’t happy, getting him for trade spots seems a good deal to (drunk) me.

f***, 8 pages.

 

[OrrNumber4]

I don't think Hamilton-to-SJS is going to happen.

 

[sampler]

Spence is 25 not 21. He is what he is at this point which is a smurf third pair offenseman who can maybe play up a pair in case of injuries but isn't very good at anything and has zero special teams utility.

There's a reason he got traded for a 3rd round pick less than a year ago. Trading a 1st for him would be really dumb.

25 is still not prime. 28-30 is prime age and he's only 3 years into his full time career.

You're brushing him off as having reaching his max is a mistake...

 

[OversKy]

Happy enough with the move. If he bounces back and finds his role here could be an absolute steal. Good chance to take while minimizing risk.

 

[Emperor Joe Thornton]

Damnit, ive spent the night getting customers drunk in central London, and now in need to spend an hour reading 5 pages of you clown’s thoughts on this deal. I was supposed to spend this time eating shitty noodles on the top floor of my double decker bus. For what’s it worth, I saw Kesselring and 1st and wasn’t happy, getting him for trade spots seems a good deal to (drunk) me.

f***, 8 pages.

That second chance for Kane was BS imo, but I'm sure it was good for business