Proposal: Sharks selloff

[Pinkfloyd]

you may be right but if they do that and come up short, I will again crow about how I made a better case than conventional wisdom, which was proven wrong

I'm glad we won the cup in 94 but not sure trading away ALL the top talent for role guys was worth it.
We got 1 cup out of it
would we have been better off with just 1 such deal?

mark my words
there is no work around to the cap

do it my way or there will be consequences
watch

The way you ended this post is super cringe, buddy.

 

[pld459666]

I appreciate where you are trying to go w. this, but Chytil can not be moved
Strome has to go

I like Chytil, and as much as I would hope that he could develope into more, he's regressed this year significantly.

And while I think it would be a mistake to over-pay for Strome, you cannot discount his chemistry with Panarin and so long as Artemi is here, I think you need to look at offering Strome a deal that ends when Breadman's contract ends as well.

Chytil, I do not believe is long for the NYR organization.

 

[Groo]

I like Chytil, and as much as I would hope that he could develope into more, he's regressed this year significantly.

And while I think it would be a mistake to over-pay for Strome, you cannot discount his chemistry with Panarin and so long as Artemi is here, I think you need to look at offering Strome a deal that ends when Breadman's contract ends as well.

Chytil, I do not believe is long for the NYR organization.

And yet you suggest Chytil is as far as you go in acquiring Hertl. How can they say no?

 

[pld459666]

you may be right but if they do that and come up short, I will again crow about how I made a better case than conventional wisdom, which was proven wrong

I'm glad we won the cup in 94 but not sure trading away ALL the top talent for role guys was worth it.
We got 1 cup out of it
would we have been better off with just 1 such deal?

mark my words
there is no work around to the cap

do it my way or there will be consequences
watch

I made this comment on the Rangers board.

• There is going all in, which I think we are on the same page is a bad idea.

• There is doing nothing which I 1000% believe is doing a major disservice to this team and this group if they continue to play well.

Then there is this BIG HUGE grey area between the two points above. The Rangers HAVE to be in that grey area come the end of February so long as they continue to play well.

Adding a Hertl is NOT going all in.

Trying to add both Hertl and Chychrun at teh same time IS and that would be a bad idea, although it would make the Rangers a bonafide contender.

 

[pld459666]

And yet you suggest Chytil is as far as you go in acquiring Hertl. How can they say no?

I think he's regressed within the system he's played.

I think he's a good player. I do like him and would love to find a way to keep him, but what Turk wants out of him, he seems unable to deliver.

That may not be the same in a different situation under a different coach.

He was a .5 point a game player under previous coach. He's got skills, can play the game, but is struggling on this team.

I don't think or believe he's a bad player at all.

 

[Groo]

I think he's regressed within the system he's played.

I think he's a good player. I do like him and would love to find a way to keep him, but what Turk wants out of him, he seems unable to deliver.

That may not be the same in a different situation under a different coach.

He was a .5 point a game player under previous coach. He's got skills, can play the game, but is struggling on this team.

I don't think or believe he's a bad player at all.

That's a lot of risk to make him such a vital piece of the deal.

 

[pld459666]

That's a lot of risk to make him such a vital piece of the deal.

Understandable

 

[WingsMJN2965]

The bottom line is the original offer you made is garbage and would not net Tomas Hertl.

The expectation of value for a pending UFA that's barely Top 50 in scoring is hilarious.

But I'm all for sending him for a team that can't afford to re-up him.

 

[bernmeister]

The way you ended this post is super cringe, buddy.

I'll clarify as no threat was made or intended.
Like it is famously said somewhere, we reap what we sow.

Rangers are not in a position to deal youth, whiich they have but not in surplus, for vets
AND
setting that reality of player asset mgmt aside,
there is also the reality of cap
almost always youth costs less than a vet
and there is zero cap for next yr
a rental we pay for and walk away from is not smart
it is high risk for short term gain at definite long term cost

No intent to make anyone uncomfortable, just making sure it is clear, I don't surrender to those of differening opinions, esp when objective facts are more on my side here.

 

[bernmeister]

I like Chytil, and as much as I would hope that he could develope into more, he's regressed this year significantly.

And while I think it would be a mistake to over-pay for Strome, you cannot discount his chemistry with Panarin and so long as Artemi is here, I think you need to look at offering Strome a deal that ends when Breadman's contract ends as well.

Chytil, I do not believe is long for the NYR organization.

you may be right but I hope you are wrong
clubs that squander assets one way or another eventually regret it

 

[bernmeister]

I made this comment on the Rangers board.

• There is going all in, which I think we are on the same page is a bad idea.

• There is doing nothing which I 1000% believe is doing a major disservice to this team and this group if they continue to play well.

Then there is this BIG HUGE grey area between the two points above. The Rangers HAVE to be in that grey area come the end of February so long as they continue to play well.

Adding a Hertl is NOT going all in.

Trying to add both Hertl and Chychrun at teh same time IS and that would be a bad idea, although it would make the Rangers a bonafide contender.

I agree with the overall basic logic of this assessment; whether or not we add Hertl depends on the cost and more precisely, the specific currency.

Howev
I also disagree that actively practicing financial restraint here is doing nothing,
Moving a vet like Strome for asset(s) and giving mins to Barron decreases his learning curve with experience, so it is smart for the future.

Depending on health and luck we are likely to go deep already.
But we cannot maniupulate things to be relatively sure, let alone reasonably certain, we can get over the top.

The smartest thing here is as I said.
bide time
build
use extra assets in packages to enhance quality
if we are short, come back in a stronger position to command a better outcome next season.

 

[themelkman]

The expectation of value for a pending UFA that's barely Top 50 in scoring is hilarious.

But I'm all for sending him for a team that can't afford to re-up him.

I mean hes on pace for 40 goals but I guess its pretty convenient to ignore hes doing it on a line with depth NHLers. Guy would easily be PPG if you gave him someone like Ryan Stromes spot in NYR.

 

[sjsharks92]

The expectation of value for a pending UFA that's barely Top 50 in scoring is hilarious.

But I'm all for sending him for a team that can't afford to re-up him.

You are the only person in the thread, sharks fan or not, that thinks your offer was fair. That just about sums it up.

 

[Dr Quincy]

your price on Hertl is reasonable but sadly, NY has zero cap next yr, so it would have to be rental only. [We are gonna need Strome + Geo + Nemeth gone to cover Fox + Zib new deals $$$$$$$. Have no one else available to move who we can move w/o permission besides Lindgren and that is only 3m per which is needed for short LaF-Kakko bridge while we see if we can Trouba to go 1 yr early.]

we don't match up in currency vs other projected offers
closest I can do is

Strome + Geo + Jones [redundant due to Fox but can't afford to give away] +
NYR 2022 4th + 2023 3rd
for
Hertl + SJ 2022 3rd + 2023 2nd

something like that
and again,
both you prob get more
and
NY should not make moves that bleed assets esp while cap is tight

The genius of this proposal is that the rebuilding team giving up the best asset is also giving up the best draft picks to the team that is more of a contender.

Like...those kinds of deals happen ALL the time.

 

[Coach Parker]

This screams of a Bruins Sharks trade for Hertl.

Lose one 2nd line Czech center that people misspelled his name and replace him in the same year with another.

Hall - Hertl - Pastrnak

Does the Bruins 1st and DeBrusk get it done or should there be a prospect in there as well that is NHL ready but forced to play in the AHL because Sweeney loves his vets?

 

[Calad]

I think he's regressed within the system he's played.

I think he's a good player. I do like him and would love to find a way to keep him, but what Turk wants out of him, he seems unable to deliver.

That may not be the same in a different situation under a different coach.

He was a .5 point a game player under previous coach. He's got skills, can play the game, but is struggling on this team.

I don't think or believe he's a bad player at all.

Chytil still 22 years old. For some perspective, Rangers traded for Zibanejad when he was 23 and it took him another 2 years to break out

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

But when does Meier come to Anaheim

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

This screams of a Bruins Sharks trade for Hertl.

Lose one 2nd line Czech center that people misspelled his name and replace him in the same year with another.

Hall - Hertl - Pastrnak

Does the Bruins 1st and DeBrusk get it done or should there be a prospect in there as well that is NHL ready but forced to play in the AHL because Sweeney loves his vets?

I'm sure SJ probably wants futures.

The more reason Bruins should just ship Debrusk off for futures ASAP.

Gives us better assets to send to a team like SJ.

I'm sure they would take him. But those futures are probably more valuable than Debrusk in this trade.

 

[Groo]

This screams of a Bruins Sharks trade for Hertl.

Lose one 2nd line Czech center that people misspelled his name and replace him in the same year with another.

Hall - Hertl - Pastrnak

Does the Bruins 1st and DeBrusk get it done or should there be a prospect in there as well that is NHL ready but forced to play in the AHL because Sweeney loves his vets?

Not a chance and this crap has been offered up repeatedly. Best to keep this level of wishful thinking to your own board

 

[Coach Parker]

Not a chance and this crap has been offered up repeatedly. Best to keep this level of wishful thinking to your own board

Thanks Mod! Keep the thread organized and under control for us okay?

 

[Groo]

Thanks Mod! Keep the thread organized and under control for us okay?

Rinse and repeat. Product of a lazy mind....At best

 

[elitepete]

Hertl for DET's 2nd + Eemil Viro/Albert Johansson?

Prospects probably aren't as surefire as you'd like, but DET's 2nd should be high and Hertl's pending UFA. For obvious reasons, Detroit's 1st isn't on the table.

Lmao. What a putrid offer.