The numbers are so good that I am suspicious...
Prospect Info: Sharks Prospect Info & Discussion thread XXI: "New, improved, and wayyyy to much info" Edition
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Not good enough. He's falling off his 3ppg pace.
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How on earth do you still remember me
You made a positive impression.How on earth do you still remember me
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Sam Jose Dickinson 2A today
Its obvious the sharks have an army of guys ready for the enxt level. Dick is ridiculous in the OHL. Musty, although having a bad year after his temper tantrum, gains nothing remaining there. Haltunnen hasnt emerged but he too seems ready for the AHL at least. Pohlcamp seems ready to go pro as he has established himself as a top defender on a top NCAA team in denver. Cagnoni is looking pretty close to ready for an NHL shot. Chernyshov is also obviously graduated beyond the OHL. Lund, Laubach, and Muldowney are point per game in college and look like they may be ready to go pro, despite some size issues on muldowney and laubach.
The sharks collection of prospects sure appear ready for the next level leap. next year's camp should be interesting, particularly if they can add some NHL talent too.
The sharks collection of prospects sure appear ready for the next level leap. next year's camp should be interesting, particularly if they can add some NHL talent too.
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And I clowned that tweet when it happened because I had actually watched Merkley play a hockey game. If Cagnoni looked like Merkley in spite of his production, I would clown the Cagnoni NHLe chart too.
Get a grip.
Merkley never showed that he was a real potential pro star. He was higher drafted, higher touted, but just never found the defensive game and never really sparkled in pro. When the sharks dealt him, his value was basically zero.
Cagnoni is waaaaay more promising. He's small, but his skill set is way more electric. His defensive game remains subpar, and that's why he isn't in the NHL yet. But, his skating is electric, edges are fun to watch, confidence is off the charts... The guy oozes future star if he can figure out the D zone. He really reminds me of lane hutson, or even a smaller, younger Makar.
In a redraft of the 2023 draft, I bet Cagnoni would be a mid to late 1st rounder, so I would put his value in that range in the event of a trade offer.
Cagnoni is waaaaay more promising. He's small, but his skill set is way more electric. His defensive game remains subpar, and that's why he isn't in the NHL yet. But, his skating is electric, edges are fun to watch, confidence is off the charts... The guy oozes future star if he can figure out the D zone. He really reminds me of lane hutson, or even a smaller, younger Makar.
In a redraft of the 2023 draft, I bet Cagnoni would be a mid to late 1st rounder, so I would put his value in that range in the event of a trade offer.
Maybe a model that compared Ryan Merkley to Scott Niedermayer and Paul Coffey in 2023 is useless garbage?
Yes, the model is useless garbage, especially for defensemen. Cagnoni putting up points is good because he is good. No one is anointing Cagnoni because of the model. We're just celebrating that he's producing at a high level in a good league as a barely 20 year old defenseman. That's literally it.
But you always come in here making sweeping statements about prospects STRICTLY AND SOLELY based on their height, which is even more worthless analysis than that model.
As long as we all agree that any model pegging Cagnoni at 52% odds to become a NHL star is objectively nuts.
It's odd...before 2019, you could count the number of small elite defensemen on one hand. Ignoring players like Kelly and Harvey, the modern era had produced only a handful: Howe, Housley, Boyle, Duchesne, Schneider...and frankly only Howe was legitimately elite.
But since 2019...Fox, Hughes, and Makar have unquestionably elite. It may be a sign of changing times...
But since 2019...Fox, Hughes, and Makar have unquestionably elite. It may be a sign of changing times...
Of course, but no one in here has based their opinion on Cagnoni's potential solely because of that model
Bader’s model is clearly bad, but you have also used similar useless models to try and prove your points before as well.
Anyone who has watched both Merkley and Cagnoni on the Cuda knows Cagnoni will be the superior player.
The rookie pro seasons of Merkley and Cagnoni are difficult to compare but look favorably to Cagnoni by a fairly large margin.
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To be fair, I didn't know a thing about the model. I saw the tweet on the Prospects board and reposted it here, not necessarily as an endorsement of the person with the model. I'm cautiously optimistic about Cagnoni myself, but I realize he's going to have to prove himself defensively at every level.
