Prospect Info: Sharks Prospect Info & Discussion Thread XVIII

[Hodge]

> Our rookies are doing well in lower leagues but that means nothing in terms of what they'll do in the NHL
> A guy who's PPG in a lower league will be better than a guy that's currently double digits in goals in the NHL

Pick one

Scoring a point per game in the SHL is a lot more impressive than scoring a point per game in the WHL or college like Wiesblatt and Bordeleau.

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

Dahlen > Linus all day so far.

One is on is actually on pace for 40 points in the NHL.

The other is projected to maybe hit that at his peak.

Do you know who is scoring at the same rate as Karlsson in the SHL? Marcus Sorenson. Albeit Karlsson is younger, he is 22 now and it’s not like he’s putting up these numbers at an 18-19 year old.

 

[Kcoyote3]

Scoring a point per game in the SHL is a lot more impressive than scoring a point per game in the WHL or college like Wiesblatt and Bordeleau.

To be more accurate he's at 0.89 PPG, just for clarification purposes. Also should definitely be putting more faith in that DWJr scouting, no? Finding such a talent in the 3rd round.

 

[Hodge]

To be more accurate he's at 0.89 PPG, just for clarification purposes. Also should definitely be putting more faith in that DWJr scouting, no? Finding such a talent in the 3rd round.

No point in drafting well if you fail to then properly evaluate the player internally. Happened with Josh Norris and it may have happened again here on a smaller scale.

 

[timorous me]

No point in drafting well if you fail to then properly evaluate the player internally. Happened with Josh Norris and it may have happened again here on a smaller scale.

But you're ignoring the point that Dahlen is actually doing well in the NHL--which seems to bode well on some level in that the Sharks scouted him and let him develop and come in and have some success. And that's the ultimate determinant in whether a move worked out or not.

I get why it's hard not to be negative with the organization on all sorts of levels, but when all you do is take this one-note negativity and throw it over everything Sharks like a giant blanket, it's no different than people who bow down at the feet of DW and trust him blindly; there's no demonstration of actual critical analysis because it's the same thing over and over again, no matter the subject, no matter any evidence to the contrary.

I'm not going to tell you to stop--it's your right to your POV--but I feel like you really seem to want to try to influence how others here think (whether you want to admit to that or not, it's evident in your tone), but the approach you're taking feels like it's having the opposite effect; people are simply being more vocal in any bits of optimism they can find.

 

[Hodge]

But you're ignoring the point that Dahlen is actually doing well in the NHL--which seems to bode well on some level in that the Sharks scouted him and let him develop and come in and have some success. And that's the ultimate determinant in whether a move worked out or not.

I get why it's hard not to be negative with the organization on all sorts of levels, but when all you do is take this one-note negativity and throw it over everything Sharks like a giant blanket, it's no different than people who bow down at the feet of DW and trust him blindly; there's no demonstration of actual critical analysis because it's the same thing over and over again, no matter the subject, no matter any evidence to the contrary.

I'm not going to tell you to stop--it's your right to your POV--but I feel like you really seem to want to try to influence how others here think (whether you want to admit to that or not, it's evident in your tone), but the approach you're taking feels like it's having the opposite effect; people are simply being more vocal in any bits of optimism they can find.

If Dahlen tops out as a one dimensional tweener wing but Karlsson develops into a legit 3C that's a bad trade especially since Karlsson is two years younger and a better fit for the Sharks timeline. Not saying that's definitely going to happen but it's a possibility based on the development Karlsson has shown this season.

 

[Kcoyote3]

No point in drafting well if you fail to then properly evaluate the player internally. Happened with Josh Norris and it may have happened again here on a smaller scale.

It’s not a failure to acquire a Dahlen. He’s been good in his first season. I don’t know what your aversion is with any current Shark, but man you are desperate for any negativity.

 

[timorous me]

If Dahlen tops out as a one dimensional tweener wing but Karlsson develops into a legit 3C that's a bad trade especially since Karlsson is two years younger and a better fit for the Sharks timeline. Not saying that's definitely going to happen but it's a possibility based on the development Karlsson has shown this season.

I think it's fine to acknowledge Karlsson's success this year--but Dahlen's been a really pleasant surprise who might even have room for growth (I think he's shown good defensive instincts at times, even if his size is a disadvantage, and he might be a useful presence on the power play, it turns out).

Right now, it would be a surprise with what Dahlen's showing at this level if this trade turns out to be a big loss for the Sharks. Maybe both players pan out to some extent? There's nothing wrong with a trade like that. You can even spin this in other positive ways for the Sharks: good identification of talent in drafting Karlsson in the third round, and good foresight with Dahlen and what he could offer. Maybe even smart work letting him develop in his own unique way.

Even the best teams have lineups filled with useful players drafted outside the top of the first round, so it would be really nice if this is a positive omen for the Sharks and their recent drafting under DW Jr.

 

[Patty Ice]

> Our rookies are doing well in lower leagues but that means nothing in terms of what they'll do in the NHL
> A guy who's PPG in a lower league will be better than a guy that's currently double digits in goals in the NHL

Pick one

He will pick whatever take will get the most action. He is only consistent in being inconsistent. Much like the Sharks, which is probably why he follows the team.

 

[Kcoyote3]

Didn't get to watch all of it all the way through because the ASG skills comp was on, but the bits I saw of Robins in his game tonight he looked good. Saskatoon opened up a can of whoop-ass though, and it was all powerplay that he looked good on. Had a pretty drop pass that led to a goal, that seemed intentional vs. just hoping like a few of his other passes in his previous game. Going to watch our lord and savior Gannon Laroque next.

 

[Kcoyote3]

Well if you want a telling few statistics about how good Laroque was in a brutal 2nd period for Victoria:

-He scored a beauty long-range wrister on the PP, had 2 shots that period in total
-He assisted on a last minute pretty passing play that was created by him joining the rush, catching a cross-ice pass, and threading the needle back in front of the net for a tap-in by his teammate
-He finished +1 in the period

HIS TEAM WAS OUTSHOT 34-6 in that period alone. They were outscored 4-2.

So he created both goals, was +1 in a period his team was outscored 4-2, and had 2 of his team's 6 shots. I saw him defend a 3-1 beautifully and keep the puck out of the net, clear the crease at least 3 times and get the puck out of danger, and overall just a ridiculously good period from him on both ends of the ice. I'm not even going to put up my usual disclaimer or downside that I normally mention for each player. He was just that good that period.

Edit: I also forgot to mention he drew a penalty during this period too

 

[hohosaregood]

Gannon Laroque: Future of the Franchise

 

[sharks_dynasty]

Gannon Laroque: Future of the Franchise

I like lord and savior better.

 

[Munnyro]

No point in drafting well if you fail to then properly evaluate the player internally. Happened with Josh Norris and it may have happened again here on a smaller scale.

Norris at his draft position was consider a reach by main stream media and keyboard idiots like ourselves. We need to set up a bot to remind us in 3 years if Ozzy is a steal or a bust at his position. Either praise be SJ scouts or burn the heretics.

 

[Munnyro]

Dahlen > Linus all day so far.

One is on is actually on pace for 40 points in the NHL.

The other is projected to maybe hit that at his peak.

Do you know who is scoring at the same rate as Karlsson in the SHL? Marcus Sorenson. Albeit Karlsson is younger, he is 22 now and it’s not like he’s putting up these numbers at an 18-19 year old.

I thought Dahlen was a bust from those highlights. Glad to be wrong.

 

[The Nemesis]

Gannon Laroque: Future of the Franchise

He is the holder of the Triforce of Power after all.

 

[Kcoyote3]

Couple more fun players from this game

Niko Huuhtanen - picked in the 7th round by Tampa last year, is having a good season for Everett. His style of play is basically, hit hard. Hit a lot. Slapshot. He's got a bomb of a shot and can also absolutely plaster people with his hits. Fun to watch as it just seems like some old school hockey when he's out there.

Brayden Schuurman - draft eligible this year, he's a little small on the ice, but he's fast, attacks well, good looking shot. His stats aren't eye-popping, but he's approaching a PPG. Considering Victoria's entire offensive gameplan is two players on one line, Schurrman-Peach + Laroque, I think there's some room for some serious growth next season with a better squad. If a team has an extra 4th rounder or lower I'd take him.

Luke Shipley - Plays the right slot next to Laroque who normally plays LD despite being a righty. Draft eligible this year. Really young player like Laroque, August birthday so just barely draft eligible without being a 2023. Decent size. Good speed, patient game, doesn't handle the puck like a total grenade, which for the other defensemen for Victoria is a major issue. His stats aren't eye-popping either, but he started off really slow with 1 point in his first 15 games, and has picked up 10 points in his last 24. Given the fact that Victoria is pairing him with Laroque, and he looks decent, coupled with him being an almost 2023 draft eligible, if a team had an extra 6th-7th rounder I'd take a run at him.

 

[Kcoyote3]

Laroque goal:



Laroque assist:

 

[Kcoyote3]

In total Laroque drew three penalties. A hold, a boarding call, and a high stick. He did take a tripping minor but it was a pretty meh call, or I just have some homer glasses on already.

So all in all, just a really great game from him. I came away impressed with his poise at the blueline again, and his ability to QB a PP. Reminds me of Burns, but that's sort of the lazy and cheap comparison for a right shot, taller framed defenseman in the "pointman" mold.

He has some issues with gaining real power in his stride, which can hold him back a bit from really being a true offensive defenseman I feel. He's not particularly dynamic offensively, just quietly effective.

He's also not as creative as Burnzie used to be and doesn't play as heavy. But he doesn't seem to cheat for his offense. He's working hard, he's not taking too many risks, and he's scanning for opportunities up-ice for breakouts. He attempts the super long passes like Burns does too, but I don't think he's really nailed that part of his game down yet, took a few icing calls from them.

There's just something about a player who is on a bad team, and he's their best defenseman by leaps and bounds, playing in all situations, and doing pretty damn well. I think with how young he is, and his raw tools, frame, it's just really great experience for him to be leading his team through tough situations like he is. As long as he keeps doing what he's doing, and not give into the "we're bad so I can cheat for offense, not battle as hard to get pucks out" mentality.

 

[The Nemesis]

Laroque goal:



Laroque assist:

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

If Dahlen tops out as a one dimensional tweener wing but Karlsson develops into a legit 3C that's a bad trade especially since Karlsson is two years younger and a better fit for the Sharks timeline. Not saying that's definitely going to happen but it's a possibility based on the development Karlsson has shown this season.

If if if.....you've attacked such "ifs" at every turn and instead chose to throw out random examples of how that "if" isn't likely to happen. Make up your mind and stop being hypocritical.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Scoring a point per game in the SHL is a lot more impressive than scoring a point per game in the WHL or college like Wiesblatt and Bordeleau.

You would’ve just complained about Karlsson’s lack of success in previous seasons in lower leagues if we still had him. Who are you fooling?

 

[Hodge]

You would’ve just complained about Karlsson’s lack of success in previous seasons in lower leagues if we still had him. Who are you fooling?

Well he was a third round pick so my default position would be (and still is) that he's unlikely to play a meaningful number of games in the NHL. But his progression in previous seasons has been strong considering he has been playing in a professional league since being drafted.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Well he was a third round pick so my default position would be (and still is) that he's unlikely to play a meaningful number of games in the NHL. But his progression in previous seasons has been strong considering he has been playing in a professional league since being drafted.

There's no real way to say that Karlsson's progression is strong but Dahlen's wasn't. Not when you're being objective.

 

[Hodge]

There's no real way to say that Karlsson's progression is strong but Dahlen's wasn't. Not when you're being objective.

When did I say Dahlen's progression wasn't impressive? Of course it was impressive since it got him to the NHL. But he's not a prospect anymore and doesn't look like he's going to be a useful player long term at this level.