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Prospect Info: Sharks Prospect Info & Discussion Megathread XXI: "New, improved, and wayyyy too much info" Edition

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jMoneyBrah said:
Is the going rate for a center putting up a 30g/90p pace a late 2nd and 3rd? I feel like the return could be significantly better than that.

However, if you’re right, I’ll concede that I’d prefer Grier simply extend Granlund over playing games for a couple of 2nd/3rd rounders.
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I highly doubt Granlund ends up with that production.
 
jMoneyBrah said:
Is the going rate for a center putting up a 30g/90p pace a late 2nd and 3rd? I feel like the return could be significantly better than that.

However, if you’re right, I’ll concede that I’d prefer Grier simply extend Granlund over playing games for a couple of 2nd/3rd rounders.
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I’d prefer he extend even if it’s a first. Sharks will get at least one or two more top prospects in the ‘25 draft. They have a small army of good prospects still, including arguably the best Dman in the CHL, a top 5 ahl dman, and several good forwards as well as the best goalie prospect. They don’t need more top picks for 4 years from now, they need to get this ship going and Granlund is great part of that.
 
Timo Time said:
Dickinson with 3 points in the 1st period? How dominant is he or just how dominant is London? Good lord.
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Both, but Dickinson is the biggest reason why they're so dominant. They've been without Cowan (and Halttunen) for the last several games and haven't really missed him much.

Dickinson is going to be a real problem next year. He may not be quite NHL-ready yet, but I don't see how you can send him back to juniors. And unlike Musty, it's not like Dickinson has a ton to work on without the puck. Sure, there's some defensive aspects he could improve on, but nothing worth playing a fourth CHL season.





 
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Patty Ice said:
I can understand the other two but what were you expecting from Bystedt? He's producing very well for what is essentially his first AHL season.

I think his progression has been very encouraging.
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He’s doing ok. I’ve watched several of his games and he’s solid but I haven’t seen the kind of crushing it that I had hoped for. I get his progression is fine, but I suppose I had hoped for him to clearly establish himself as a future top 6 forward. Watching him, he actually kinda reminds me of wennberg. Tall and lanky, solid, but not gunna be a star.

Obviously early to tell, but I suppose I was looking for a bit more. Maybe my expectations were out of line….

Juxtaposer said:
Both, but Dickinson is the biggest reason why they're so dominant. They've been without Cowan (and Halttunen) for the last several games and haven't really missed him much.

Dickinson is going to be a real problem next year. He may not be quite NHL-ready yet, but I don't see how you can send him back to juniors. And unlike Musty, it's not like Dickinson has a ton to work on without the puck. Sure, there's some defensive aspects he could improve on, but nothing worth playing a fourth CHL season.
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Mutual nullification of his ELC? Then enroll at BU?

Yeah, this one is a doozy. Ridiculous to go back to juniors after this year, but agreed that he might not be ready for the show. He wasn’t particularly close this year.

Europe for a year?

Argh….
 
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sampler said:
He’s doing ok. I’ve watched several of his games and he’s solid but I haven’t seen the kind of crushing it that I had hoped for. I get his progression is fine, but I suppose I had hoped for him to clearly establish himself as a future top 6 forward. Watching him, he actually kinda reminds me of wennberg. Tall and lanky, solid, but not gunna be a star.

Obviously early to tell, but I suppose I was looking for a bit more. Maybe my expectations were out of line….
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Yes. Bystedt is our 3C prospect. Not a top 6 prospect.
sampler said:
Mutual nullification of his ELC? Then enroll at BU?

Yeah, this one is a doozy. Ridiculous to go back to juniors after this year, but agreed that he might not be ready for the show. He wasn’t particularly close this year.

Europe for a year?

Argh….
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F*** no.
 
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coooldude said:
Yes. Bystedt is our 3C prospect. Not a top 6 prospect.

F*** no.
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Well, he looks like a fine 3c prospect then I guess. I suppose I enjoy the high end guys with more sexy tools…

And the nullification is just to qualify to play ncaa. Obviously, he’d sign again after a year.

It’s not gunna happen. My money is on him making the team out of camp if Europe and ncaa aren’t options. Then they do like will smith style. Accept mistakes with limited sheltered minutes. Maintenance days. Etc…
 
sampler said:
Well, he looks like a fine 3c prospect then I guess. I suppose I enjoy the high end guys with more sexy tools…

And the nullification is just to qualify to play ncaa. Obviously, he’d sign again after a year.

It’s not gunna happen. My money is on him making the team out of camp if Europe and ncaa aren’t options. Then they do like will smith style. Accept mistakes with limited sheltered minutes. Maintenance days. Etc…
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Bystedt is hopefully going to turn into a very good 3C that can step up in the lineup if someone gets injured. I think that’s really important too as we all know from past Sharks teams that had terrible 3rd lines.
 
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Jargon said:
Bystedt is hopefully going to turn into a very good 3C that can step up in the lineup if someone gets injured. I think that’s really important too as we all know from past Sharks teams that had terrible 3rd lines.
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Andrew Ladd was an incredibly important player as 3C for the Hawks dynasty. Not saying Bystedt is that, just saying I agree with you that an overpowered 3C is very important for winners.
 
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sampler said:
He’s doing ok. I’ve watched several of his games and he’s solid but I haven’t seen the kind of crushing it that I had hoped for. I get his progression is fine, but I suppose I had hoped for him to clearly establish himself as a future top 6 forward. Watching him, he actually kinda reminds me of wennberg. Tall and lanky, solid, but not gunna be a star.

Obviously early to tell, but I suppose I was looking for a bit more. Maybe my expectations were out of line….


Mutual nullification of his ELC? Then enroll at BU?

Yeah, this one is a doozy. Ridiculous to go back to juniors after this year, but agreed that he might not be ready for the show. He wasn’t particularly close this year.

Europe for a year?

Argh….
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Dickenson is now a pro and can never play NCAA sports, period. You can't undo pro status once you've got it.

Bystedt is doing just fine, he was never going to be a top 6 guy.
 
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Jargon said:
Is Dickinson performing up to par with a prospect of his stature, better? Worse? It’s always hard for me to gauge — as someone who doesn’t watch these leagues — what kind of performance is expected and what is exceptional. This SEEMS exceptional but…
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This is just one measure of pNHLe, but he (and Luca) are looking real good. Considering how the other top D prospects from last year are doing, I'd say he's tracking to the top end of the class, but there are years and years of development to go.

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Jargon said:
Is Dickinson performing up to par with a prospect of his stature, better? Worse? It’s always hard for me to gauge — as someone who doesn’t watch these leagues — what kind of performance is expected and what is exceptional. This SEEMS exceptional but…
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At least up to par but since the CHL is pretty weak these days, it's tough to extrapolate from. However, he's outperforming the other dmen drafted this year.
 
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Juxtaposer said:
Both, but Dickinson is the biggest reason why they're so dominant. They've been without Cowan (and Halttunen) for the last several games and haven't really missed him much.

Dickinson is going to be a real problem next year. He may not be quite NHL-ready yet, but I don't see how you can send him back to juniors. And unlike Musty, it's not like Dickinson has a ton to work on without the puck. Sure, there's some defensive aspects he could improve on, but nothing worth playing a fourth CHL season.
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I’m sure they’ll make room for Dickinson if he forces their hand. They look like they have the flexibility to accommodate. Nobody on the blue line is a must keep or a can’t get rid of player or contract.
 
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Jargon said:
Is Dickinson performing up to par with a prospect of his stature, better? Worse? It’s always hard for me to gauge — as someone who doesn’t watch these leagues — what kind of performance is expected and what is exceptional. This SEEMS exceptional but…
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Sam is performing to the D+1 level of recent elite CHL defense prospects like Mintyukov and Clarke. I would say it's to expectation, because Sam is an elite CHL defense prospect.
 
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Juxtaposer said:
Sam is performing to the D+1 level of recent elite CHL defense prospects like Mintyukov and Clarke. I would say it's to expectation, because Sam is an elite CHL defense prospect.
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Seems even above expectation. I mean leading the entire chl in D scoring by a mile? Hell, I think he’d be like 5th in overall chl scoring… not just OHL, all three!

And with his size too. It’s hard to say that he’s not exceeding expectations.

Hopefully, he is working on his deficiencies defensively and in decision making. I haven’t followed him closely, but it was in those areas that he was far below nhl standard this training camp.

If he has to be an nhler next year, I would sure like to see his defensive game be at least close to nhl level.

Does anyone follow his defensive details closely? Like not the points, but the defensive body positioning, stick use, decision making, outlet passes, etc. I wonder how he’s doing in those areas?
 
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