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Player Discussion Shane Pinto (C) - PART 2

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Pinto returning to form and the emergence of Greig make Norris very expendable.

I wonder if anyone will be willing to bite on his contract.

Lets hope he scores like crazy the rest of the year
 
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PoutineSp00nZ said:
Pinto returning to form and the emergence of Greig make Norris very expendable.

I wonder if anyone will be willing to bite on his contract.

Lets hope he scores like crazy the rest of the year
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The emergence of Greig has been for half an hour. This is precisely what Jacques is talking about with regards to this team and the organization/fans with falling in love with young players.

They are still young. Norris has accomplished way more, and here he is coming back after hardly playing for a year and a half and lo and behold, struggling.

Expendable, even. I am as impatient as the next guy around here, but holy f***
 
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coladin said:
The emergence of Greig has been for half an hour. This is precisely what Jacques is talking about with regards to this tea and the organization/fans with falling in love with young players.

They are still young. Norris has accomplished way more, and here he is coming back after hardly playing for a year and a half and lo and behold, struggling.

Expemdable, even. I am as impatient as the next guy around here, but holy f***
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I'm thinking more if the team continues to fail and a shakeup of the core is needed.

Not gunna be Batherson the way he's playing this year. Tkachuk and Stutzle are untouchable. Tarasenko and Kubalik are gone. Pinto and Greig haven't been part of the core long enough to have one removed as a shakeup. That really only leaves Norris, and given how Greig and Pinto have looked and project to look . . . Norris is the logical guy to move out.
 


I'm really looking forward to having pinto back. I don't care what some people say. It's a discussion, but he's better than Greig.

Lock him up.
 
dumbdick said:
What did you think of his game pre injury? Goal wise hes been pretty excellent, but i still found that he could disappear for stretches
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He could disappear off the score sheet, but I always thought his 200 foot game was excellent. Strong 3 zone player no matter what he was doing offensively.

Probably not worth 8 mil though, but still a good piece to have imo
 
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SpezDispenser said:
He could disappear off the score sheet, but I always thought his 200 foot game was excellent. Strong 3 zone player no matter what he was doing offensively.

Probably not worth 8 mil though, but still a good piece to have imo
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Yeah, i can agree with that.

I worry about him though. We paid for his ceiling. I know how dominant he can be. But it's rare to see him at his very best.

And the way he scores is a bit one dimensional. He's primarily a sniper that needs a great dish man to be succesful. If that part of his game declines he doesn't have much else to fall back on. (He'd still be good, just like 3-4M good)

After watching Pinto's goal highlights from last season, I actually think he might be the better goal scorer long term.
 
PoutineSp00nZ said:
I'm thinking more if the team continues to fail and a shakeup of the core is needed.

Not gunna be Batherson the way he's playing this year. Tkachuk and Stutzle are untouchable. Tarasenko and Kubalik are gone. Pinto and Greig haven't been part of the core long enough to have one removed as a shakeup. That really only leaves Norris, and given how Greig and Pinto have looked and project to look . . . Norris is the logical guy to move out.
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I wouldn't trade Norris, I'd just put him on the wing of Pinto or Grieg. Better to have more centers than less. Grieg is still figuring out the game, but plays in such a way that he can handle 17+ minutes and still looks good. I'd say Grieg has a lot of room to grow, but is definitely showing he is a major piece of this team. Imagine him on our third line, with Joseph and another good winger. Pinto lined with Batherson and Norris on his wings. Glad to see Pinto back. I only wish Formenton wasn't such a douche nozzle and we'd have some great lines from one to three.
 
dumbdick said:
Yeah, i can agree with that.

I worry about him though. We paid for his ceiling. I know how dominant he can be. But it's rare to see him at his very best.

And the way he scores is a bit one dimensional. He's primarily a sniper that needs a great dish man to be succesful. If that part of his game declines he doesn't have much else to fall back on. (He'd still be good, just like 3-4M good)

After watching Pinto's goal highlights from last season, I actually think he might be the better goal scorer long term.
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Not sure we know what his ceiling would be. Remember, he's only 24 and his big year was at 22 after having success at every level leading up to it.

Much more prolific goal scorer than Pinto in a reasonably similar role.

It's the fact that he's been damaged and who knows if he can ever get back on track that worries me, nothing more. If you told me he'd be injury free starting next month for the duration of his contract, I keep him happily personally.
 
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Now that we have a normal owner. I would not go over 5 years for future contracts. Pay the value of the player
 
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ottawagm said:
Capfriendly has us with 13 F (with Norris) + 7D + 2G, so 22 + Pinto will be fine.
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+1 is 14; I doubt they keep 14 forwards up. It would be unusual

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Jacques has talked about Greig at centre for the 4th line, I’m sure that’s where Pinto will start.
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For the 1st couple/few games I think Pinto will get juggled in on the 3rd and 4th line.

I would rather move Greig to the wing than play him on the 4th line if they feel they must play Norris at C.
 
I just hope everyone has checked their expectations for Pinto for now as he has been on the sidelines for a long time. IMHO this is all about setting up for next season...... once again, sigh.
 
ChabotSen said:
I just hope everyone has checked their expectations for Pinto for now as he has been on the sidelines for a long time. IMHO this is all about setting up for next season...... once again, sigh.
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Well, that's probably for the best, the likelihood of a hamburgler style run driving us into the playoffs is pretty slim, so we're better off with Pinto not immediately lighting it up and worsening our draft position.

The one point I will make though is while Pinto missed a lot of time, unlike a player who was injured and needed to recover, he's been active the entire time preparing for his return. He's more like a holdout, so more similar to Nylander and Ryan O'Reilly's holdouts than Norris missing last season. There will likely be some rust to shake off while he finds his timing, but strength and conditioning should be fine.
 
Micklebot said:
Well, that's probably for the best, the likelihood of a hamburgler style run driving us into the playoffs is pretty slim, so we're better off with Pinto not immediately lighting it up and worsening our draft position.

The one point I will make though is while Pinto missed a lot of time, unlike a player who was injured and needed to recover, he's been active the entire time preparing for his return. He's more like a holdout, so more similar to Nylander and Ryan O'Reilly's holdouts than Norris missing last season. There will likely be some rust to shake off while he finds his timing, but strength and conditioning should be fine.
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I am not team tank, but there is ever a good time to have good draft position it’s this year with new management. I still think it’s more important to develop the right culture and way to play with this group though, so that takes priority over a high pick.
 
Interesting to see what type of culture Staois drafts. Speed, size, skill, compete, character. Tendencies as well - OHL, College, Russia, Europe, overage players.

Big draft coming up for Ottawa - going to have to win this draft
 
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I just hope everyone has checked their expectations for Pinto for now as he has been on the sidelines for a long time. IMHO this is all about setting up for next season...... once again, sigh.
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Agree with lowering expectations …… this is also the plan for the franchise as laid out by our rookie GM, using the remaining 42 games to teach a defensive responsibility system to players who have been coached on defensive responsibility all through their Junior and now pro career, these 42 games is just what they need, instead of being held accountable when required…. Neither DJS or J Martin have lowered the hammer on anyone, sitting them for the remainder of a period or game, scratching the, for a few games…. Maybe a shift or two, but no serious message has been sent.

So, it all begins at training camp, and the new system the new head coach puts in place, which will be different than the one being used today, will take a Month or two of the next regular season….. so maybe by US Thanksgiving the team will be ”up to speed” with the new coaches system and higher expectations…… too bad the new coach couldn’t get a head start on next season……

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Butchy Dakkar said:
I am not team tank, but there is ever a good time to have good draft position it’s this year with new management. I still think it’s more important to develop the right culture and way to play with this group though, so that takes priority over a high pick.
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I think the development of the current group will occur largely through coaching anyhow. It's not like it has to be one or another, or that these are mutually exclusive somehow. You can develop the current group of players with the coaches teaching fundamentals, good habits and systems while still picking up a good draft pick.

If they find a gem of a veteran at a reasonable price, then sure. I think they can achieve that through a free agency acquisition though. Giroux is an example (here come the hometown boy comments of course).

But I think we've suffered enough by chasing shiny objects (some hyperbole here I suppose) thinking the rebuild was totally over. I'd wonder where we would be now if we had completed the last phase of a rebuild?
 
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Interesting to see what type of culture Staois drafts. Speed, size, skill, compete, character. Tendencies as well - OHL, College, Russia, Europe, overage players.

Big draft coming up for Ottawa - going to have to win this draft
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I hope there is no aversion to Russian players, so many good players at this year's draft that are going to fall because of their citizenship.
 
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I'm really looking forward to having pinto back. I don't care what some people say. It's a discussion, but he's better than Greig.

Lock him up.
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That last goal was his 20th but Brass with the broken leg. Bittersweet for Pinto.

Greig has almost as many career assists as Pinto in 1/2 the games and is almost 2 full years younger. No question in my mind he drives a line better than Pinto. Every line Greig has been on this season has been effective.

Greig is pacing below Pinto in goal production but has been getting more chances and has more room to improve his shot.

Greig offers more intangibles as well as far as physical play and being a sh!t disturber.

What do you see that has you believe Pinto is better?

Admittedly, I have been high on Greig for a few years.
 
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