True. The team doesn't seem to offer any updates on any players.
Player Discussion Shane Pinto (C) - PART 2
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Perhaps injured players enjoy their privacy? White has been hanging out and skating with the team for a while now, he’s apparently a big positive boost for the boys.
We haven’t had any updates on his injury status, but that’s ok. It turns out that these guys are still alive, still around the team rehabbing and socializing.
Nobody needs weird fans demanding timely medical updates.
We haven’t had any updates on his injury status, but that’s ok. It turns out that these guys are still alive, still around the team rehabbing and socializing.
Nobody needs weird fans demanding timely medical updates.
Yes, but... the fan base was told that White needed surgery and that he underwent surgery. I don't think players require that most basic of information to be protected. If it was something personal, non-injury related, etc, then yeah. But the fact that Pinto had shoulder surgery shouldn't have happened with no update from the team. It's a little weird.
He had surgery and we were updated. Some folks being upset that it happened a week ago and they didn’t get notified is weird.
He’s out for the season, no one is worried about prompt updates. It’s also not for you to decide what players want or need to be kept private. It’s not a stretch to imagine that a young player may want to have a week of recovery under their belt before the entire city knows that they had surgery.
In my opinion fans should have zero access to this kind of information, and should tone down the entitlement. We pay to watch games in the ice, that’s it.
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This is the kind of attitude from a portion of fans here that makes it OK for the Sens to half-ass most things.
I don't know why you're gas-lighting here. Fans aren't being entitled when they wonder what has happened to the team's 2C. Fans buying tickets for Jan-April may wonder if a top 6 forward is playing or is out for the season. If Tkachuk or Batherson blew out their ACL and would be gone for the year, do you not think that the team would communicate that to the fan base? You're just gas-lighting here pretending that there's some cone of silence. It's a very odd stance you're backing yourself into. I thought you were more level headed than that, but oh well.
Ouroboros
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There was plenty of information available. Two weeks ago Garrioch wrote an article saying surgery was an option but no final decision had been made. Now we know that they decided on the surgery and that Pinto has 4-6 months of rehab ahead of him.
It happened when the team was on a road trip, and when they came back the information was disseminated. The team has so many legitimate issues that can be picked apart - we don't need to make up more.
It happened when the team was on a road trip, and when they came back the information was disseminated. The team has so many legitimate issues that can be picked apart - we don't need to make up more.
No man, it’s just that you’re being a bit strange with your expectations in my opinion. As Oro mentioned there has been enough information available for fans buying tickets in April (yeah right) to understand that he’s out for the season most likely. In fact, we were all told that he was likely done for the season shortly after it happened.
When exactly he has his surgery is not information that fans need to have in order to decide if they want to buy a ticket 2-4 months from now, and I highly doubt that there is a single fan hanging off that information, credit card in hand regardless. That’s not even to mention that you can pretty much get any seat you want on game day, let alone months in advance, who are we kidding?
The team gave an update on Pinto when asked by a reporter, and now we know that he’s had surgery and is starting to rehab. Turns out he is still out for the season most likely regardless of when we found out about the surgery date.
Sun God Nika
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No one is asking to know as soon as possible lol, just asking to be treated with the same amount of respect fans of other teams get with injury updates. Someone said it best responses like this is what gives the team motivation to do whatever it wants when it comes to hiding from the media, trading assets to save money or not telling players when they are traded. They already stripped away the fans that want the team to be accountable to them so now they have us. Dorion can literally come to my house and beat the shit out of my mom and ill still watch this team i hate it.
What??? Where do you even get the idea that this involves "respect" in any form or fashion? Seriously, what are you on about? "Same amount of respect fans of other teams get with injury updates"? Are you reading what you're writing before you hit send? You don't have a right to know about player injuries. You aren't owed anything by anyone as far is it concerns a player's health. There's no written or unwritten rules about disclosing surgeries and injuries to fans. You're grieving something that isn't a thing. Quite frankly, your sense of entitlement is kinda nuts. And this stuff about Dorion beating the shit out of your mom but you'd still watch is beyond f***ed up. You really should consider taking a break from things here if you feel that defeated. Whatever you're experiencing is not healthy, you should really think about that.
Sun God Nika
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Once again there is no entitlement please learn to read guy. You sound really upset, i'm enjoying getting under your skin at-least XD. The team disclosing that Pinto had a shoulder surgery, like any other team isn't asking for the world. Also I know your pro Dorion/Melnyk more than a actual hockey fan but still please don't pretend the team refusing to announce Pinto's surgery was to protect the player, you don't have to be a doctor to know that was a high likelihood, its more of a result of their poor communication skills from top down that is already getting criticized and deserves it. If the team came out and said we aren't gonna comment on Pintos status that would be something you can respect but it wasn't that it was silence.
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It was one week from the time he had surgery, there is nothing of the ordinary here. Just some bored folks looking for the next thing that's an issue.
Yak
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Injury reports and surgery reports are very common in pro-sports.
The Sens have a communication problem that is very evident.
None of this entitlement B.S is how pro sports teams work, except the Ottawa Senators franchise.
Don't defend the inept it only makes those who do look as bad as they are.
This what happens when your front office staff is smaller then a fast food restaurant.
The Sens have a communication problem that is very evident.
None of this entitlement B.S is how pro sports teams work, except the Ottawa Senators franchise.
Don't defend the inept it only makes those who do look as bad as they are.
This what happens when your front office staff is smaller then a fast food restaurant.
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Not really. I follow the Montreal Canadiens just by being here as you can't really avoid it. Fans are being updated on everything all the time, except personal reasons but even then, they end up knowing when the players are ready (Drouin, Price)
Maybe it's just a financial difference, maybe both teams don't have nearly the same medical staff quality, maybe the process is slower for Ottawa.
Montreal had one glaring weakness for like 15 years (drafting/development) but it looks like they finally want to change this, which is not good news for us as a rival team. They'll rebuild very fast and might even be more competitive than us in a few years, as ridiculous as it sounds considering we had to rebuild 5 seasons ago and we had a crazy talent pool to trade compared to usual rebuilding teams.
Maybe it's just a financial difference, maybe both teams don't have nearly the same medical staff quality, maybe the process is slower for Ottawa.
Montreal had one glaring weakness for like 15 years (drafting/development) but it looks like they finally want to change this, which is not good news for us as a rival team. They'll rebuild very fast and might even be more competitive than us in a few years, as ridiculous as it sounds considering we had to rebuild 5 seasons ago and we had a crazy talent pool to trade compared to usual rebuilding teams.
Dorion was giving away picks in bunches during drafts for years to move up and draft off board then. People should really look closley at 2017 draft, who was quickly rebuilding in just one year, not 5. Now 6 and for sure 7. Why Dorion still has the job?
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As we talk about fan attendance and apathy would it not stand to reason the team would want to engage the fans on the status of a young player that has created some excitement about his potential?
On the heels of the SJ game where he was injured and then brought back in (clearly not feeling right BTW) that created discussion on being rushed back I would want to get ahead of all messaging.
To me it isn't about entitlement at all, just running a good business.
On the heels of the SJ game where he was injured and then brought back in (clearly not feeling right BTW) that created discussion on being rushed back I would want to get ahead of all messaging.
To me it isn't about entitlement at all, just running a good business.
Perhaps their focus is on the young player, and not apathetic or grumpy fans.
Let’s be honest, if prompt injury reports are what’s going to bring a fan back into the fold, I’m not convinced they’re worth the time and effort.
Good business to you is being catered to with immediate health updates of another person? That is the very definition of entitled.
People got their updates, just not real time. To me that expectation is invasive and creepy. Realistically it’s just one more molehill to bitch about.
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I don’t really understand the point about the 2017 draft. We had few picks because of deadline trades that brought us to the ECF and then we got Batherson in the fourth round. Bowers looks like a bad pick but Bath probably goes top ten in a redraft.
Agree with the general point of Pierre wasting picks though.
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Montreal especially under Bergevin was massively critiqued for not being forthcoming with information about their players. Jeff Molson addressed this last week when he said his first rider of business in rebuilding the club was to talk to the team doctors about building a more healthy Space for his athletes and staff - Price and Drouin went into the NHLPA health program and it was total silence from the team (which is alright in these cases) but the owner himself said he needed to address the issues directly and it was one of the three points he made about his “fresh start”.
Batherson alone makes that draft a success. I doubt management would know how good he would be but we gotta give credit for the kids work ethic and the rest of the org in his development, perfectly cooked and brought in to the line up.
I don’t think building a ‘healthy space for the athletes and staff’ would involve giving fans more, and more timely, access to players’ medical updates. If anything it sounds more like the opposite to me.
The only reason I could see this being changed the other way would be to help with sports gambling, which is exactly the shitty thing a league would try and do, and hopefully and players association would push back against.
