Player Discussion Shane Pinto (C) - PART 2

SensHulk

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Yup this is not a good look and any respectable journalist would look into this deeper coming off the heels of Nilsson’s comments. It’s one thing to send him back out in the San Jose game, can call it a fluke decision, but then to do it yet again against Pittsburgh is inexcusable. Any one could see the way Pinto held his shoulder that it looked quite serious, wtf were they doing letting him back into the game? A friggin face off re-injured him, the team is absolutely culpable in this.
 

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Yeah it's not like he got nailed again and landed on the shoulder. He got injured taking a freaking faceoff.

Should not have been cleared to play. Have to wonder if the lack of bodies due to covid played a role in him being cleared.
 

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The Senators staff have absolutely failed Pinto.

It'd be one thing if he came back and got clocked into the boards again. Both times he came back he reaggravated the injury with basic movements.

All players always want to come back early. That's their job. It's the organizations job to stop them.

Based on what I've seen this looks like a partial labrum tear that has become a full and displaced one in need of surgical anchors.

Judging by the fact it got worse from the faceoff my, completely non-medical, opinion is that he has a posterial labrum tear. I have one too and when I tweak it I am am back to square one.

I'll likely never get the benefit of anchors as I'm not a professional athlete. I never think I'm going to reaggravate it until I have, so I understand why Pinto would think he was ready to play.

I had an anterior labral tear that I'd been dealing with for a long time before I got it surgically fixed. He definitely has a tear of some sort with the frequency and ease and unless he gets it surgically fixed now, it'll ruin his career before it started.

I had many situations very similar to Pinto. I'd dislocate my shoulder due to some trauma while playing hockey. Wait a few weeks, no more pain, range of motion is similar to before, things felt pretty good. One time, after returning too early, I re-dislocated my shoulder during the warm up by sweeping my stick to get a puck that was going towards the other teams end... Another time after returning too quickly, I actually dislocated my shoulder while putting my jersey on before the game... Basically, unless I took a few months to heal and re-strengthen the surrounding muscle area, it was very unstable even if there was no pain.

I finally managed to convince my Doc that it was affecting my quality of life since I would sneeze and the shoulder would pop out. I had 3 anchors put into my shoulder 4 years ago and although I haven't played hockey since (mostly due to pandemic), overall shoulder stability is so much better than before, I row nearly every other day with no pain or instability. I don't see how a young athlete doesn't do that at this point, the shoulder is currently in the injured state, he's likely out for the season anyway, he can get it surgically repaired now and heal thoroughly until the start of next season. He'll be able to skate shortly though so it's not all wasted time.

The team Docs should have known better and stopped the player from returning so early even if Pinto said he was ok. For what it's worth, I had Dr Aubry (currently on Sens staff) treating me after I had a concussion when I was playing minor hockey in Hull like 25yrs ago and lets just say I still have migraines to this day.
 

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I had an anterior labral tear that I'd been dealing with for a long time before I got it surgically fixed. He definitely has a tear of some sort with the frequency and ease and unless he gets it surgically fixed now, it'll ruin his career before it started.

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Surely if it was a tear that would have shown up on an MRI or something?
 

Rand0m

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Surely if it was a tear that would have shown up on an MRI or something?

I can only speak from my experience, I don't know what test they did or know about in Pinto's case. My Doc knew I had a tear but the recommendation at first was still rehab, it would honestly feel like normal for a while, it's just that the trauma necessary to re-dislocate it would be smaller and smaller as the tear got bigger. For a minor tear like mine started off as, rehabbing the surrounding structure is probably enough for most people. I also wore a should brace that would keep my shoulder "tucked in" to the joint. Either way, the way it popped right back out at the face-off means there's still some serious unhealed damage there. Frequent dislocations in a short period of time mean chronic issues down the road unless the issue is properly fixed and not just "treated".
 

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Surely if it was a tear that would have shown up on an MRI or something?

Or they said rest it for a week and if it's still messed up we will have to send you to get a MRI.
He then shows up and says "No worries I am good to go"
The end.
He is worth millions to the Sens they would not ignore a serious injury
 
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BankStreetParade

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You'd think they would be less receptive to shoddy medical practices with all the headlines about said medical practices.
Honest question: how do you evaluate medical staff and determine when to replace them? Do you bring other doctors in to consult on certain injuries? Does the misdiagnosis have to be significant to warrant replacement? Is a difference of opinion enough?

I'm assuming none of the non-medical staff on the team are qualified enough to question a doctor's opinion. So how do you even assess their performance in the first place?
 

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Honest question: how do you evaluate medical staff and determine when to replace them? Do you bring other doctors in to consult on certain injuries? Does the misdiagnosis have to be significant to warrant replacement? Is a difference of opinion enough?

I'm assuming none of the non-medical staff on the team are qualified enough to question a doctor's opinion. So how do you even assess their performance in the first place?

Something significant would have to happen. Gross negligence; pretty rare occurrence.
 

OD99

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I wasn't able to see the beginning of the game so not sure if there was anything prior to the faceoff that looked ominous?

He took previous FO without any issue? Took some hits? Gave some hits?

I turned the game on and about 1 minute later he took the faceoff and immediately injured it.

Also, has there been any official reporting on his injury and surgery plans?
 

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No one is happy Pinto got re-injured. I think its really presumptuous EMO reaction to point the finger at the doctors not doing their job or being negligent.. Its not like its a rare injury , that they've never seen before.. They have been involved with the rehab.. the physio, the training, They test for strength in several ways, range of motion . and the patient has to indicate if there is discomfort, if that isn't manifested .. My assumption is they did everything they should have and just the nature of the injury .. and the stress put on it in his return caused a recurrence of some sort where all indications pointed towards a successful rehab.. Maybe the risk of the healing process and return to play was spelled out completely with the alternative being an operation .. none of us know.
 

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Serious question that others have already asked- he is worth millions to the team and SENS brass clearly aren't overly motivated to make the playoffs this year. Under those circumstances, why on earth would anyone think we intentionally rushed him back?
 
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I echo the sentiment. I mean, there's a lot of things we can already blame and/or criticize the organization for but I wouldn't do an automatic here. Reality is like SoA said "none of us know"

Hopefully, when the pandemic is over, individuals will stop pretending they know more than medical professionals.

I have no idea if it applies to this situation or not, but damn this is true, sad and hilarious at the same time.
 

Tuna99

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Serious question that others have already asked- he is worth millions to the team and SENS brass clearly aren't overly motivated to make the playoffs this year. Under those circumstances, why on earth would anyone think we intentionally rushed him back?

I’m not going to say he was rushed but he clearly was. I mean there’s a track record of players playing with serious injury. Clarke MacCather returned under very bizarre circumstances and even admitted while he returned he may have a concussion or at least symptoms - so let’s not pretend that the health of the players is always 100% the thing that drives this. If it was games would of been cancelled due to Covid.

reminds me of that line in Any Given Sunday where the team doctor is allowing injured players to play and when he’s found out he says “it’s not my job to stand in the way of this mans dream and what’s he’s worked his whole life to achieve.”
 

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None of us know BUT it looks really bad.
This needs to be taken super seriously. One of our top players career is on the line.

From where I’m sitting they f***ed up big time.
 
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SevenOfSpades

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Any updates on the prognosis of his injury? Surgery? Rehab? I assume it's month to month unless this guy has Alfie-level healing powers.
 

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Okay, can we please have a medical update for the closest thing we have to a 2C please …
 

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Okay, can we please have a medical update for the closest thing we have to a 2C please …
My guess is out for the year. 6 months with rehab, maybe 8. Plus then, theyll be ultra careful to monitor after f***ing this last one up.
 

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